OT: zero turn mowers

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I have to bite the bullet this year and get a zero turn mower. My craftsman riding mower gave up the ghost last year. I have 2.5 acres and just can't spend 4 hours of my week on a regular riding mower anymore. Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions for bang for my buck? Hoping to stay around $2500 or so, but definitely no more than $3k. Found a decent deal on both a Husqvarna and a Troy-bilt.

Side note: I splurged on a battery powered weedeater last year and will never buy another fuel powered one again. It's great.
 

engie

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Do your research on the engines and the pumps. And in those two places you get what you pay for usually. The other stuff such as the sticker on the mower and the paint color is just dust in the wind, especially in your price range, where they are the same 5 mowers with different badges basically. They all use combos of the same 5 motors and pumps. The more people(mechanics) you talk to on those, the better off you will be. Also splurge for a commercial deck on whatever setup you buy. You'll thank me when you are bolting it onto the next mower you replace this one with. And talk to the mechanics about parts availability, etc. Expect the worst case scenario to happen in 5-10 years on those residential setups(which is what you will get in that price range).

I've thought about forming another LLC to rebuild mower engines fulltime, but I just don't have enough time or determination to do it, nor the leadership/people skills to hire and teach anyone else to do it for me. The general rebuildability of all these different mower engines is the best kept secret going. Ton of meat on those cylinders and crank. And parts are generally cheap and easily available online. No shops will do it -- they'll just charge you the $1500+ for a new crate engine, when they could have usually rebuilt it for a couple hundred, made more in labor, and still saved you a bunch of money. Have been buying and flipping a couple mowers a year that were blown up doing this. One Kubota/Kohler I'm "still in touch with" has been used commercially for another couple hundred hours and is still purring like a kitten.
 
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My dad had a lawnmower repair shop for twenty years so I have a great deal of knowledge on this. Commercial decks are welded construction and are thicker. Cheap grade decks are stamped and won’t last long. The Kawasaki engine is one of the best out there. I bought a 60” hustler with the 25 hp Kawasaki engine for a little over three grand and it has the commercial deck. It also has the better wheel motors (pumps). It pays to pay a little more and get a good mower. A few of the commercial grade mower companies are offering a more affordable zero turn but definitely stay away from the stamped decks and mowers that have all that plastic on them. Service after the sale on certain mowers aren’t worth a crap. Scagg, ex mark and hustler are good.
 

Dawgbite

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The 2500 to 3000 dollar zero turn mowers are the equivalent of a $1200-$1800 tractor type mower quality wise. Why they are almost double the price is beyond me. Exmark and Scag both make a residential mower for around $4000, I suggest you up your budget to these and at least get some dealer service or if that's completely out of you budget, go to Lowes and get another $1500 disposable tractor.
 

West Tn Dawg

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I looked at these pretty close last year. For the Money, Hustler is hard to beat. Sell them at Lowes. They are actually built by Excel, who invented the zero turn mower. It has the welded deck.
Get a veteran to buy it and you get 10% off from Lowes.
 

TNT.sixpack

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If ur budget is only $3k, get a Hustler with a Kawasaki or Honda engine. Though I’ve had very good luck with Kohler as well. A zero turn will allow u to cut ur grass in half the time. Totally takes the work out of it.
 

garddog

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All you guys hollering about welded decks just like having your money taken. Welded or stamped makes no difference. It is the gauge of the metal that matters. If you don’t look under the deck and inspect the baffles your also screwing up. If the baffle is super thin they will get bent and messed up. 8 years selling mowers. Ran a lawn service for 13 years.

As far as motors go Kohler makes the closest to commercial grade in a home owner model.

Best z turn under 3000.00 right now is the husqvarna 54” with the 747 cc kohler motor. You can usually get them at your Husqvarna dealer or your closest Sears Hometown Store for 2899. Lowes and tractor supply are usually higher for same mower.
 

Crazy Cotton

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Did this research last year. Ended up with a Ferris IS600, and I love it. Industrial level build, 10 gauge deck, hydro-gear 3400 series wheel motors, suspension (yard has lost some trees, the suspension helps). I had a fuel injected Xmark for about 10 years and when I downsized the yard to an 1.5 acres I decided to go a little smaller (52" deck) and get the suspension. Got it at my local co-op. Check out the videos of the machine on youtube.
 

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I bought a husqvarna 54" 23 hp Kawasaki for $2999. Great mower. I considered Hustler, but the husqvarna was put together better with a better deck. The Kawasaki is a superior engine to the kohler. I've owned both.
 
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Why fool around with a 40-something or 50-something inch deck when you can have 168"? How much time do you reckon you'd spend mowing those 2.5 acres with this set up? :)One hour...maybe 90 minutes?
 
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BoilerUp.sixpack

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My only piece of advice is to avoid the big box stores. A local dealer is going to provide much better support than any of the big box stores. I would also avoid any of the lower end brands, i.e. Craftsman or Troy Built. I have a Big Boy mower. They are touch more than your price range, but they are solid. For some reason Kawasaki engines are almost impossible to find right now. When I bought my Bad Boy, most of them had Kawasaki. Now pretty much all of their mowers are Kohler.
 

garndawg

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If it has a Briggs and Stratton engine, run away.

Plus one on this...

Like Engie, I take apart blown motors for a hobby. I like to see the different designs and such. Most of the Briggs motors I've seen have plastic gearing in the crankcase that eventually gets brittle. The last one (a B&S Intek) was the valve gear, which broke and the internals literally shattered. Little chunks of metal throughout the crankcase, piston rod was in at least four pieces. What a mess.

Kohler are my fav, but haven't been inside a Kawasaki yet.

Still trying to figure out where Tecumseh screwed up and went out of business...
 

engie

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Yep. Bunch of those inteks blowing that valve gear and basically throwing a baseball through the side of the case. Totaled engine at that point.

The Kawis are very similar internally to the Kohlers. No real reason to think one is better than the other IMO. If only they would quit doing an automotive style block in favor of an atv style with an easily removable cylinder I'd be forever grateful.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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John Deere Z335 at Home Depot $2899. They have a 3 year bumper to bumper style warranty with no fees for $349.00. There is always a 10% discount to be found... Veteran, coupon, etc. All in price will be around $3100 including tax.

Sell it in 3 years for $1500 and buy a new one. You are now mowing your 2.5 acres in half the time for $10 per week plus fuel with no worries.
You may get lucky and have it **** the bed in year 2-3 and get a brand new one for free.

ETA. I hate box stores as much as the next guy. But most local lumberyards, equipment dealers, etc, are almost entirely focused on pros now... Because of HD and Lowe's. Most local guys are only open 8-5 Monday through Friday and a half day if your lucky on Saturday. For home use, you will be using the mower a small fraction of the hours per week a pro will. You are just as likely to have underuse as overuse problems. If you were running it 20 hours or more a week, you would likely be buying a higher end mower and need the better service at the dealer. As a weekend warrior, it just means you have to take time off during the week to get stuff done.
 
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The reason I’m a big proponent of welded decks over stamped is because the welded decks are thicker metal. Has nothing to do with just being welded. Stamped decks are made out of thinner metal because you ain’t going to a deck stamped out of 10 ga steel. I have seen many many stamped decks rusted out and warped from abuse that you won’t see in a welded deck. Once they get warped then you know what happens. Kohler is a good engine and the rods and pistons are better than majority of the engines. Kawasaki engines are very tough to beat. You can buy what you want,I’m just trying to help out.
 

DEEREdawg

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John Deere stamps 7 ga steel. The reason most companies have welded decks is to keep cost down. John Deere has the capabilities to stamp up to 7 ga. The welding bead in a welded deck is the weakest part of the deck.
 

engie

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The reason I’m a big proponent of welded decks over stamped is because the welded decks are thicker metal. Has nothing to do with just being welded. Stamped decks are made out of thinner metal because you ain’t going to a deck stamped out of 10 ga steel.

Actually all the 7 Iron(commercial deck) Deeres are stamped out of 7 gauge(hence the name). A few of the commercial setups are starting to adopt that approach. Probably cheaper to build a 2000 ton press than pay a bunch of welders or build the robots to do the welding...
 
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Yeah I read that on the net. That has got to be one be had a.. stamping machine.Problem to me would seem that would be one freaking heavy deck even over welded deck. One question I have is what mower would tote that kind of weight without being a diesel and costing less than ten grand? Everything would have to be super duty to carry that weight on a zero turn.
 

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I am looking right now. Exmark has moved away from Kohler and Kawasaki and are making their own engine with some unheard of company in Japan. I marked them off the list and am looking at Hustler and Scag.
 
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Great info guys, thanks. I am leaning toward a 52 inch hustler raptor for a little under $3k (local dealer). Going to check out a couple others based on some comments though.
Drebin - you're welcome for the 'Engie explains lawnmowers' headline for the next magazine.**
 
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MSUDAWGFAN

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I have a Husqvarna with a 44" cut and a Kohler motor. That was the exact same price as the Briggs motor with a 40" cut. The Kohler motor will outlast anything on the mower. It is a solidly built motor and will last.
 

T-TownDawgg

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John Deere stamps 7 ga steel. The reason most companies have welded decks is to keep cost down. John Deere has the capabilities to stamp up to 7 ga. The welding bead in a welded deck is the weakest part of the deck.
Yup, the weld will start rusting before anything else.
My experience is that stamped decks have gradual slopes and curves which seem to flow clippings much more smoothly, will clean easier, and have less buildup in the corners and edges than welded decks with more angular corners. Less weight. Both will rust if you don't clean, maintain, and keep away from sources of moisture. I like to use the hose attachment to clean, blow off as much moisture as possible, then engage the deck for several minutes to dry. Deck still looks new.
On the welded decks, however, if you have an uneven yard or occasional obstacles, the welded deck will bulldoze that stuff and not deform if you hit something solid. With a smooth, level surface, I actually prefer the stamped decks.
Briggs and Stratton is not what it used to be. Junk. I vote Kawasaki. I've seen some Kohler junk too.
 

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Here in S LA, you won’t hardly see a commercial mower using anything by Scag. I’m convinced they’re the best. I got an insane deal on a commercial Kubota and went that route.
 

DEEREdawg

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John Deere was the first mower to have 7 ga metal in their commercial decks back in the late ‘90’s. I used to have a poster of the press that stamped the decks hanging in my office. It was a huge press.
 

Seinfeld

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That’s the exact one that I’ve been looking at for this Spring. They’ve got the Z254 for $2999 on Mowersdirect.com with free shipping, but the only thing holding me up is if I’d get better aftermarket service by buying it from somewhere else. Any advice there?
 

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I don’t know anything about that, so I’m going to let someone else explain it.
 

West Tn Dawg

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Great info guys, thanks. I am leaning toward a 52 inch hustler raptor for a little under $3k (local dealer). Going to check out a couple others based on some comments though.
Drebin - you're welcome for the 'Engie explains lawnmowers' headline for the next magazine.**
I have the 60". I don't think you will be disappointed with the Hustler.
 

engie

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If only I could figure out how to marinade this shoulder in all of this both fresh and stale jelly
 

garddog

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Seinfeld, you can get the 54” husqvarna with a 747cc 26hp Kohler right now from Sears Hometown Stores for 2899.99. It is new for this year and not even on the websites yet. It should be out to stores in the next couple weeks.