OT: WTH is a 3D printed gun ? nm
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Anyone who would pick up an ABS plastic barreled gun and shoot it is a moron.
Anyone who would pick up an ABS plastic barreled gun and shoot it is a moron.
They aren’t printing the barrels. They are printing AR-15 receivers. A better quality polymer AR-15 receiver can be purchased for $35-$40 right now. This is a non-issue that has become a talking point because somebody printed a receiver to make a point.
This doesn’t look like an AR receiver to me.
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It looks like a bad science project. It doesn’t affect me in any way though. I never take my chances with old worn out guns and cheap crap. I buy and only shoot good quality guns with quality parts and maintain them.
I've got a 3D printer and done a good bit of stuff with it. That said, the vast majority of the print materials are a joke and often have a bad layer somewhere in them if the build is very tall that makes them weak. At least that's been my experience in drawing the stuff in solidworks, converting to stl, and importing into makerware.
Use your imagination to apply this to gun parts, but I decided last year I would print colster sleeves to make them fit a michelob ultra tightly. Built a dozen or so and put them into circulation with my buddies that drink ultras. Diff colors and both PLA and ABS. Took a lot of tweaking so that I got a good interference fit against the can where it would slide right in and slide right out but had to be pulled out(read wouldn't fall out). Fast forward a couple of months of normal exposure -- and none of them fit anymore. They all shrunk. Significantly.
Now, 3D printing out of nylon is a different beast entirely. Actually can build some structural items out of it in my experience.
Use your imagination to apply this to gun parts, but I decided last year I would print colster sleeves to make them fit a michelob ultra tightly. Built a dozen or so and put them into circulation with my buddies that drink ultras. Diff colors and both PLA and ABS. Took a lot of tweaking so that I got a good interference fit against the can where it would slide right in and slide right out but had to be pulled out(read wouldn't fall out). Fast forward a couple of months of normal exposure -- and none of them fit anymore. They all shrunk. Significantly.
Now, 3D printing out of nylon is a different beast entirely. Actually can build some structural items out of it in my experience.
Exactly. Very few of your thugs r us crowd has access to a 3d printer much less the knowledge of how to use one.
People will be selling SD cards with the blueprints for this, I'm sure. Which means they just have to go to the UPS Store with their sd. If you can print a page, you can 3D print from pre-existing blueprints. It's literally about 3 clicks.
Much ado, about nothing
they are just doing this to make themselves feel like they have stopped an alien invasion.
they are just doing this to make themselves feel like they have stopped an alien invasion.
Absolutely. Much ado about nothing...
Do these idiots understand how difficult and expensive it would be to obtain or gain access to a 3DP capable of producing a weapon not to mention the technical skill required to operate it and assemble the finished product.
That compared to how relatively easy a firearm can be obtained on the street.
Also its like anything else. You can make it illegal but if somebody does not care about breaking the law it is always obtainable.
Do these idiots understand how difficult and expensive it would be to obtain or gain access to a 3DP capable of producing a weapon not to mention the technical skill required to operate it and assemble the finished product.
That compared to how relatively easy a firearm can be obtained on the street.
Also its like anything else. You can make it illegal but if somebody does not care about breaking the law it is always obtainable.
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Yea not buying this is much ado about nothing. Especially since they aren't detectable when traveling through airports. Every day common dumb *** thug shooter won't be getting their hands on these but a significant threat from a foreign terrorist group could most certainly get their hands on these guns, get them through airport security and potentially start a hijacked plane threat.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1023705479363670017
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1023705479363670017
And what will they be loaded with? Ah yes, ammunition in a metal casing setting of metal detectors. And they would still show up in x ray. Not to mention they last, on average, one or two shots before falling apart. If you try to make a 100% plastic gun firing 100% plastic ammo good luck with that. A bee sting would probably hurt worse amd the exploding gun would do more damage to those shooting it.
Do you realize how stupid this sounds to folks that actually have a clue what they are talking about?
Listening to an interview with the guy on NPR last night..
... I was under the impression that the guns still required some metal pieces that can be picked up at a hardware store.
... I was under the impression that the guns still required some metal pieces that can be picked up at a hardware store.
Gotta call out stupid wherever it lives. The thought that these “printed”’guns are the gateway to the next American tragedy is just ridiculous fear mongering. There are plenty of cheap reliable guns out in the world already. Why in the hell would someone “print” a piece of crap firearm to go out and do any kind of serious crime with it instead of the millions of better options already available? Please use reason and not emotion.
so you are concerned about a completely plastic gun.....which will not survive 2 shots, being snunk in an airport? Really? So we are going to have a bunch of terrorist coming over here with guns .....that fire one bullet then will not work anymore.
Does that really sound like a threat to you? Why not just arrange to have illegal real guns ready for you when you get out of the airport?
Not sold the plastic guns only last two shots just cause gun snobs on SPS say they do. What scares me about these is there's zero security measures in place to stop anyone from making one. So maybe the first couple editions of these guns are crap but eventually I am guessing they won't be crap.
How are they not detectable in airport security? Plastic toy guns show up on the scanner.
Security relaying solely on metal detection? Yeah it's a problem.
I am still getting my head wrapped around the plastic straw threat. Plastic guns? I need a Xanax. To hell with the getting shot part, how long are they going to be in landfills before they breakdown?
You must live too close to California... Don't let those freaky bastards bother you!
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Im not sold you understand how guns work.....at all. And im not sold on the fact that you understand how any of this works..... at all
I am sold on the fact that when people who do understand whats going on explain it, you stick your head in the sand and yell SNOB!! You yell it really loud so your insecurity about your lack of knowledge can team up with your emotion based fear and allow you to forever refuse to understand how this stuff works
And your fear that there is no way to stop someone from making a gun.....well people have been doing that long before 3D printers and always will. And they can make them better and cheaper already. But you didn't know that, because its not really a problem....just like this
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At the moment, it's merely a liberal talking point. I know a guy that is hardcore into it (he's an engineer in charge of prototyping parts for a kayak manufacturer). The reality is the materials involved cannot hold up to more that one shot. Yes there are some "ghost gun" videos on Youtube showing they can, but those videos are marketing gimmicks to buy a guys CAD drawings/plans. The guns they are showing in the video actually have many non 3D printed parts made to look they are actually printed. ex/machined parts painted to look printed. A 3D printed gun is about a reliable, and as feasible, as putting a shotgun shell in piece of PVP pipe and hitting the primer with a hammer.
The real elephant in the room are "80% lowers". Those things should be outlawed ASAP. You buy legitimate mini CNC machines to specifically designed to punch out the other "20%" pretty easily. In a couple hours you have a non serial # lower that will last a lifetime.
The real elephant in the room are "80% lowers". Those things should be outlawed ASAP. You buy legitimate mini CNC machines to specifically designed to punch out the other "20%" pretty easily. In a couple hours you have a non serial # lower that will last a lifetime.
It's possible to 3D print using metal powder for such things as elaborate drawer pulls. Couldn't you use metal powder instead of plastic and make a gun that would last?
The 80%'s are only an issue
because they are not easy to track. But heck, that stuff is generally, only tracked, after the fact.
I really just can't see the 3D stuff being that big of a deal, for anything in the near future.
Cartridge pressures are can be so high, that the plastics just can't handle it. Not even close.
Also the 3D's that don't have metal involved currently are just slow action single shots.
Barrels must be replaced after a few shots, most I have seen is 8.
because they are not easy to track. But heck, that stuff is generally, only tracked, after the fact.
I really just can't see the 3D stuff being that big of a deal, for anything in the near future.
Cartridge pressures are can be so high, that the plastics just can't handle it. Not even close.
Also the 3D's that don't have metal involved currently are just slow action single shots.
Barrels must be replaced after a few shots, most I have seen is 8.
Whats the melting point of the metal and how much PSI pressure can it withstand?
And what does a metal printing capable printer cost?
if your really intersted read up on pot metal guns, ring of fire guns, and cheap metal alloy guns to get a start.
Just because you can call it metal, doesn't mean its strong enough for a gun
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Not easy to track? They are virtually impossible to track. The way they handle aftermarket SBRs is silly too. I'm a card carrying NRA guy and I'll admit there are some things laws and regs that need to be revised.
But let's be real, ghost guns, 80% lowers and SBRs aren't really an issue. Those things probably account for 0.00001% of homicides. They are just talking points. We have too many mentally deranged people in this country and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it other than being prepared.
But let's be real, ghost guns, 80% lowers and SBRs aren't really an issue. Those things probably account for 0.00001% of homicides. They are just talking points. We have too many mentally deranged people in this country and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it other than being prepared.
80% lowers are a non issue as well. We’re talking about hobbyists building guns in their garages. Terrorists aren’t going to waste time building 80% lowers and neither are mass shooters.
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