OT: Well, he did it

[PawJourney]

The problem with Twitter and all social media, is that despite what Musk says here, everyone does not need a public voice. It's the opposite...fewer people need a public voice.

Anyone not interested in public voices on social can opt OUT. I embrace free speech because there's always another view to consider (either cementing my original position, refining that position, or changing that position).

“I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (attributed to Voltaire and Patrick Henry and captures the essence of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution)

 

[Clemsonu0219]

@clemsonu0219 , after ignoring 95% of TI by the end of the season

Sorry I can’t see this post

 

[ClemOpie]

I enjoy Twitter. I have put a little time into deciding who to follow. My timeline updates for what matters to me is great. I get more out of Twitter than any news site. Plus I follow some people that add value to me being able to follow a Clemson game live. If I want to know what others are saying about our game while I'm at a Clemson game or if I want to know the status of a player that went out hurt, my most efficient way of getting this info is from Twitter because of who I've chosen to follow. I didn't go out and follow a ton of people that add no value to the time I spend on the app. I don't go follow casual fans that add no value with comments you'd hear from people sitting around you or people venting in the in-game thread. If you put a little time into it then it can be good.

 

[yoshi121374]

Another concern of mine about Social Media is it allows us to filter the voices we hear until it's an echo chamber. I think this is really dangerous for people who are radical since they begin to normalize their positions, only get information that supports their views, etc.

I don't know how to fix this, and it's probably not a discussion for this board/post, but it's a really scary change to recent society.

 

[Poker_Tiger]

The problem with Twitter and all social media, is that despite what Musk says here, everyone does not need a public voice. It's the opposite...fewer people need a public voice.

That seems like a good idea. Public voices just get in the way of "Serving the people" - Mao Zedong

 

[okclem]

Anyone not interested in public voices on social can opt OUT. I embrace free speech because there's always another view to consider (either cementing my original position, refining that position, or changing that position).

“I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (attributed to Voltaire and Patrick Henry and captures the essence of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution)

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm not saying I don't need to be hearing everyone's voices on every matter. I'm saying everyone doesn't need to be hearing everyone's opinions on every matter.

The notion of lifting up humanity by giving everyone a voice is pie in the sky buffoonery.

 

[okclem]

That seems like a good idea. Public voices just get in the way of "Serving the people" - Mao Zedong

LoL no idea what this post is even attempting to say.

 

[Poker_Tiger]

LoL no idea what this post is even attempting to say.

That's too bad

 

[okclem]

That's too bad

Will you teach me one day?

 

[Tiger Guru]

Anyone not interested in public voices on social can opt OUT. I embrace free speech because there's always another view to consider (either cementing my original position, refining that position, or changing that position).

“I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (attributed to Voltaire and Patrick Henry and captures the essence of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution)

I'm with you. I don't mind what someone says because I'm feel like I'm a free-thinking individual who can determine if that's what I want to hear or not. If not, I can turn it off. I can also listen to an opposing view and go "those people are nuts" instead of saying "ban him".

I'm not leftist at all, but no leftist should be shutout. How am I to be educated if all I hear is one side, the side I want to hear. Nothing should be banned or censored. If it's crazy talk, it will be proven as so. What's so dangerous about hearing opposing views?

If it's false news, time will prove it. If it's misinformation, they'll be proven a liar.

 

[SDTiger9]

The notion of lifting up humanity by giving everyone a voice is pie in the sky buffoonery.

1. We don’t have the option to put the genie in the bottle.
2. If we went the route of China or Biden’s ridiculous idea of a truth panel, we would lose or minds and other things.
3. PEOPLE have been ABUSING people FOREVER via physical, language, ownership, communication in politics, religion commercial enterprises.

It’s pie in the sky buffoonery to allow an elite class with the ownership of information when human beings have failed at it FOREVER.

So, giving everyone a voice that wants it and allowing people through freewill to determine the validity of that voice is the primary way.

(Or, stay in your lane and listen to what you only want to hear while the world plays other tunes. People do it all the time cause they aren’t strong enough to handle conflicting messages.)

 

[okclem]

1. We don’t have the option to put the genie in the bottle.
2. If we went the route of China or Biden’s ridiculous idea of a truth panel, we would lose or minds and other things.
3. PEOPLE have been ABUSING people FOREVER via physical, language, ownership, communication in politics, religion commercial enterprises.

It’s pie in the sky buffoonery to allow an elite class with the ownership of information when human beings have failed at it FOREVER.

So, giving everyone a voice that wants it and allowing people through freewill to determine the validity of that voice is the primary way.

(Or, stay in your lane and listen to what you only want to hear while the world plays other tunes. People do it all the time cause they aren’t strong enough to handle conflicting messages.)

Jesus Harold Christ on rubber crutches

 

[okclem]

Another concern of mine about Social Media is it allows us to filter the voices we hear until it's an echo chamber. I think this is really dangerous for people who are radical since they begin to normalize their positions, only get information that supports their views, etc.

I don't know how to fix this, and it's probably not a discussion for this board/post, but it's a really scary change to recent society.

It's impossible to fix. And it will upend social order.

 

[SDTiger9]

Jesus Harold Christ on rubber crutches

If you’ve got a better way, love to hear it.
I’ve got several others but either they are illegal or not realistic so I’ll pass sharing them.

 

[Overwatch]

It was Wikipedia before that. Have seen a few young engineers cite Wiki as a source of information in a technical write-up.
Needless to say, it involves a closed door meeting with that person.

They didn’t even have the wherewithal to at least cite the source that Wiki cited? I’d be a little skeptical of the quality of that engineer’s work lol. I assume you’re an engineer, as well.

 

[Tiger Guru]

If you’ve got a better way, love to hear it.
I’ve got several others but either they are illegal or not realistic so I’ll pass sharing them.

Most people can't have honest discussion or valid rebuttal. They simply say "you're crazy" and move on.

 

[MBRO]

Most people can't have honest discussion or valid rebuttal. They simply say "you're crazy" and move on.

It's not worth an honest discussion in some cases.

If you insist that the planets revolve around the earth instead of the sun, it's not a difference of opinion no matter how much "research" you've done.

 

[Tiger Guru]

It's not worth an honest discussion in some cases.

If you insist that the planets revolve around the earth instead of the sun, it's not a difference of opinion no matter how much "research" you've done.

I don't know, maybe it's just me but I don't know everything in the world and without you educating me, how am I to learn? Discussion is what makes me think.

Honest to God, I only know what I've been taught. I don't have a fear of being wrong. I have a different mindset, I have a fear of being dumb. Imagine being the dummy who thought the earth was Flat.

If you believe the planets revolve around the earth instead of the sun, I'm genuinely curious why would believe that. I can't just say "you're dumb" and move on. But I'm weird, and love talking about anything.

I think lots of people are shutoff to learning anything that differs from what they WANT to believe. But, I know what you were meaning.

 

[SDTiger9]

I don't know, maybe it's just me but I don't know everything in the world and without you educating me, how am I to learn. Discussion is what makes me think.

Honest to God, I only know what I've been taught. I don't have a fear of being wrong. I have a different mindset, I have a fear of being dumb. Imagine being the dummy who thought the earth was Flat.

If you believe the planets revolve around the earth instead of the sun, I'm genuinely curious why would believe that. I can't just say "you're dumb" and move on. But I'm weird, and love talking about anything.

I think lots of people are shutoff to learning anything that differs from what they WANT to believe. But, I know what you were meaning.

100%. similar mentality.
My MIL, who I have a “OK” relationship with watches MSNBC exclusively. She spent several weeks with us and my 11yr old daughter has taken a strong interest in Jeopardy. Just loves the learning.

We are day 3 in and I’m rattling off 65% of the answers. My MIL says in frustration, “is there anything you don’t know”?

“yeah, about 35% according to the Jeopardy staff. My dad was a very smart and knowledgeable blue collar man but he locked off certain topics for exploration. I dont understand how really intelligent people shut off gathering knowledge other than in the service to use the limited scope for manipulation. I’ve made my life to never to be taken by anyone and protect those around me from getting screwed over. Nana, how anyone could watch FoxNews or MSNBC for knowledge is beyond me. They have zero interest in serving the public. They serve an audience who only want to hear certain things. To me, they’re both comedy channels abusing the public with pharmaceuticals, reverse mortgages, and making sure 3rd parties get paid using Medicare. And ultimately drive the country apart with their utter nonsense to make money.”
(She said nothing)

The only way to silence these clowns is for everyone to speak up and quit having their opinions fed to them. You may not like what I say but I promise I have no agenda other than people to be properly informed and not make decisions based on ********. That’s the killer. And the more we see the level of education ON STANDARDS dropping, the more we need to push the thirst of knowledge and challenge those who know nothing more than telling someone to “be quiet” or resort to name calling. How 5th grade of you.

 

[dweldonb]

I’m sure Elon will do some good things with the Twitter platform but this is an objectively terrible acquisition. Paying $44b for a company worth about a $13b will be taught in business schools as a cautionary tale.

Also, what investor in their right mind wants Elon’s attention further diluted from an already busy portfolio of businesses? If I own Tesla stock, I absolutely hate this deal.

He has a brilliant mind but needs to get his blood sugar under control. This was a truly bad idea from the get go.

And if you believe he bought Twitter at an exorbitant premium because it’s important to Democracy… well… he is quite a salesman.

Elon will make $$$ from his acquisition of Twitter. His offer was about 20% over market at the time of the offer mid April. He will reduce the employee base to get rev/emp closer to other tech companies (twtr 650k vs google 1.9m vs Facebook 2.5m) and will introduce more recurring revenue models.

 

[Poker_Tiger]

Will you teach me one day?

Let's just say you and Mao are philosophically aligned.

If Mao were a TI'er, he would have definitely given your post about not allowing everyone a public voice a "Like"

 

[MBRO]

100%. similar mentality.
My MIL, who I have a “OK” relationship with watches MSNBC exclusively. She spent several weeks with us and my 11yr old daughter has taken a strong interest in Jeopardy. Just loves the learning.

We are day 3 in and I’m rattling off 65% of the answers. My MIL says in frustration, “is there anything you don’t know”?

“yeah, about 35% according to the Jeopardy staff. My dad was a very smart and knowledgeable blue collar man but he locked off certain topics for exploration. I dont understand how really intelligent people shut off gathering knowledge other than in the service to use the limited scope for manipulation. I’ve made my life to never to be taken by anyone and protect those around me from getting screwed over. Nana, how anyone could watch FoxNews or MSNBC for knowledge is beyond me. They have zero interest in serving the public. They serve an audience who only want to hear certain things. To me, they’re both comedy channels abusing the public with pharmaceuticals, reverse mortgages, and making sure 3rd parties get paid using Medicare. And ultimately drive the country apart with their utter nonsense to make money.”
(She said nothing)

The only way to silence these clowns is for everyone to speak up and quit having their opinions fed to them. You may not like what I say but I promise I have no agenda other than people to be properly informed and not make decisions based on ********. That’s the killer. And the more we see the level of education ON STANDARDS dropping, the more we need to push the thirst of knowledge and challenge those who know nothing more than telling someone to “be quiet” or resort to name calling. How 5th grade of you.

Intellectual curiousity is a trait to be admired if your thirst for knowledge deals in demonstrable fact.

If you want to "educate" me about children who are trafficked through the basement of a DC pizzeria, we're probably not going to have much middle ground for discussion.

 

[SDTiger9]

Intellectual curiousity is a trait to be admired if your thirst for knowledge deals in demonstrable fact.

If you want to "educate" me about children who are trafficked through the basement of a DC pizzeria, we're probably not going to have much middle ground for discussion.

Pass….
I don’t spend time on things I don’t know much about.
conspiracy theory type stories don’t do it for me unless there are proven facts. (Full disclosure…. I’ve spent 30 seconds on that story 4 years ago.)

 

[okclem]

Let's just say you and Mao are philosophically aligned.

If Mao were a TI'er, he would have definitely given your post about not allowing everyone a public voice a "Like"

And double to the folks itt talking about Twitter like it's some Algonquin Round Table where ideas are shared by open-minded folk and polite discourse rules the day. Y'all are advocating for a noble ideal, don't get me wrong, it's just that in practice it doesn't actually happen. What actually happens is the exact opposite. This country is ready to tear itself apart because of all the "idea sharing."

 

[BasedCamp]

No, I really don't. Because I don't work for Twitter, it's simply a means to reach our audience. And if it changes, my company will find another avenue. I don't own stock in Twitter, I don't give a **** what investors think.

Fair enough. I'm intrigued simply because of who it is.

 

[yoshi121374]

Challenge the "misinformation" and win the argument. The very second you think there should be some party taking responsibility for making sure the dullards in society or people who don't inform themselves believe what they say, you have just empowered someone in a way that is dangerous. Especially since in these current times the people who claim to want to defend what is "misinformation" are the biggest misinformers out there right now.

It's never going to work to decide how much is allowed and how it is monitored. Who monitors the monitors? Who monitors the monitors who are monitoring? Also, the prior "monitoring" was decidedly one way... that serves no one. I'm not sure when our society has been more counter-factual. And the increasing polarization only feeds the counter-factual cultures we see on each of the political extremes in this country.

Really hard to challenge people who believe nutsy ****. Try to convince @TigerGrowls that Trump actually lost the election.

 

[Willence]

Really hard to challenge people who believe nutsy ****. Try to convince @TigerGrowls that Trump actually lost the election.

It doesn't matter what he thinks. He has every right to believe what he wishes to. What I'm not going to do is demonize him for his views and I try really hard not to ridicule him. With others like @dpic73 and @nytigerfan I fail frequently. Too often I am total *** to them but then that is also something they do in my direction as well frequently. I'd love to just stop that but it's hard. That's why we should never start.

 

[PawJourney]

Another concern of mine about Social Media is it allows us to filter the voices we hear until it's an echo chamber. I think this is really dangerous for people who are radical since they begin to normalize their positions, only get information that supports their views, etc.

I don't know how to fix this, and it's probably not a discussion for this board/post, but it's a really scary change to recent society.

Actually, until Musk arrived at Twitter, the social engineers programming their analytics BEFORE to prevent free speech and filter to their ideology because every person is biased, either consciously or unconsciously.

It is not anyone's job to filter speech for others. It is our individual job to filter speech (if we want to) for ourselves. That's the only way the 1st Amendment and free speech works.

Will people play in an echo chamber? Yes. Right now, the echoes come weighted from the left. Here's to hearing in surround sound! It'll be a wonderful change!

 

[PawJourney]

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm not saying I don't need to be hearing everyone's voices on every matter. I'm saying everyone doesn't need to be hearing everyone's opinions on every matter.

The notion of lifting up humanity by giving everyone a voice is pie in the sky buffoonery.

It's about an individual having the right to speak and an individual having the right to discern for himself what he hears. If social media is too wild west for a person, the person can opt out.

What you think others might not need to hear may offend my definition if what I think others need to hear. Hence, we should not censure lawful free speech. There are limits to free speech such as yelling fire in a crowded theater that come with criminal consequences. If you break those laws or limits, you get to enjoy those consequences.

 

[PawJourney]

I'm with you. I don't mind what someone says because I'm feel like I'm a free-thinking individual who can determine if that's what I want to hear or not. If not, I can turn it off. I can also listen to an opposing view and go "those people are nuts" instead of saying "ban him".

I'm not leftist at all, but no leftist should be shutout. How am I to be educated if all I hear is one side, the side I want to hear. Nothing should be banned or censored. If it's crazy talk, it will be proven as so. What's so dangerous about hearing opposing views?

If it's false news, time will prove it. If it's misinformation, they'll be proven a liar.

% agree with you!! I want to consider what I haven't thought of. The only way to do that is having a prism of discussion that retracts from all direction.

 

[PawJourney]

It's impossible to fix. And it will upend social order.

Social order is upended when we have to speak "state speak" and can only express the opinions dictated to us. Go back and read the prophetic books about the rule of Big Government (Big Brother). Free speech is an essential element of freedom.

 

[PawJourney]

Most people can't have honest discussion or valid rebuttal. They simply say "you're crazy" and move on.

Cancel culture is the ultimate expression of this concept.

 

[PawJourney]

Intellectual curiousity is a trait to be admired if your thirst for knowledge deals in demonstrable fact.

If you want to "educate" me about children who are trafficked through the basement of a DC pizzeria, we're probably not going to have much middle ground for discussion.

Conversely, if you want to pitch Trump colluded with Russia citing the Russian dossier that Hillary Clinton's campaign set in motion, then same thing happens. When both sides are allowed equal opportunity to free speech, generally we'll be better positioned for the truth. Facts have proven that neither the child trafficking or Russian dossier collusion occurred but both were political antics that the respective right and left leaning media exploited for clicks.

 

[PawJourney]

And double to the folks itt talking about Twitter like it's some Algonquin Round Table where ideas are shared by open-minded folk and polite discourse rules the day. Y'all are advocating for a noble ideal, don't get me wrong, it's just that in practice it doesn't actually happen. What actually happens is the exact opposite. This country is ready to tear itself apart because of all the "idea sharing."

Facebook and Instagram don't pretend to be equal access platforms but use algorithms that lean left. That is absolutely fine if the platform wants to be a regulated content provider....but they don't. They want to fall within the unregulated space (neutral and equal access content). Pick your poison. Twitter has and deserves the freedom from regulation because it's agnostic.

 

[PawJourney]

Really hard to challenge people who believe nutsy ****. Try to convince @TigerGrowls that Trump actually lost the election.

Why do you need to convince anyone in the first place? It's perfectly fine to have a divergent opinion and be civil

 

[yoshi121374]

Why do you need to convince anyone in the first place? It's perfectly fine to have a divergent opinion and be civil

Which I can do, my issue is when people are given a loud voice to spew lies. It's the equivalent to yelling fire in an auditorium. When the lies lead to violence that's where it ceases to be protected speech at that point.

 

[PawJourney]

Which I can do, my issue is when people are given a loud voice to spew lies. It's the equivalent to yelling fire in an auditorium. When the lies lead to violence that's where it ceases to be protected speech at that point.

When the speech leads to violence, it is probably criminal. When a protest ceases being peaceful (aka AntiFa burning of buildings and January 6 entry by force in closed space), it is probably criminal. Lying isn't criminal per se, but can be under certain circumstances, so we probably agree on this.

 

[Tiger Guru]

They must like Elon… we know what happens when they don’t.

 

[WapPride]

gaddam like a 20 post spree of only pawjourney posts

 

[TigerGrowls]

Really hard to challenge people who believe nutsy ****. Try to convince @TigerGrowls that Trump actually lost the election.

Go put your head back in the sand or take a dip in the Williamston Park Creek. That might wake you up. Yes I used to live there.