Speaking of rules not being followed…
OT: Uvalde
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Great Plague? Gun related deaths as a whole are not even close to the highest death rate in America. The Great Plague is thinking America should punish the 99%+ of people who are law abiding citizens to try (and fail) to prevent crime and death. Murder has been around since humans have been on this planet. It will be here until the human race is no longer here. Let’s start by teaching young people that just because something didn’t go their way that they are somehow a victim. Life sucks sometimes. Suck it up and try to improve. As parents we need to raise our children and not let social media or television raise them for us out of convenience. Lets start protecting our children by raising better children
As a former law-enforcement officer Every one of those officers that stood outside and waited should be terminated! I wish there was someway to charge them with some criminal negligence of duty! I took an oath to protect and serve. Protect comes first! I can and Will say I wish they could be tried for cowardice! I have personally gone into homes and buildings pursuing individuals that were shooting at the police! I thank God for protecting me however there was no choice! I cannot imagine standing around While children are being massacred! I hope they have long lives to think about their choices!
It makes me sick..Cops just standing in the hall..Most of them with the same rifle if not automatic..Ballistic shields and everyone of them turned into cowards..Not only that turns out the room he was in the door was unlocked..Didn't even try..Just told the press the damn door was locked
Yeah, the combination of what was said to my brother, with how this person behaves on social media, was truly alarming to my family and me.
Very disappointed in the response by ATLPD, who said there was no credible threat…..but I’ll let you decide, this is a direct quote from what was said to my brother in writing - “you better hope I don’t see you in person again, I’ve made it my mission to see that people like you get blacklisted from life.” If that isn’t a threat then I don’t know what is. All of this over my brother not wanting to rent this guy his spare bedroom
Whoa. I’d file a formal complaint.Yeah, the combination of what was said to my brother, with how this person behaves on social media, was truly alarming to my family and me.
Very disappointed in the response by ATLPD, who said there was no credible threat…..but I’ll let you decide, this is a direct quote from what was said to my brother in writing - “you better hope I don’t see you in person again, I’ve made it my mission to see that people like you get blacklisted from life.” If that isn’t a threat then I don’t know what is. All of this over my brother not wanting to rent this guy his spare bedroom
It's almost as if they didn't want to stop him. Follow that down the rabbit hole, and see what you come up with.
People who are in favor of red flag laws are completely and utterly foolish. They haven't thought, for even a single second, about how they would actually play out in the real world.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that an 18 year old would have all of the equipment, supplies, and items that I've heard he had (assuming that all that was true).
In Texas, where this happened, you are encouraged to report your neighbor if you think they might have had or be trying to get an abortion. Why should your scenario be different?
Clearly not what I said but when you say America’s great plague I would assume you would mean what kills the most people in America. 1 child dying is a tragedy. Tragedy happens everyday and we won’t stop that by increasing laws. Put more resource officers in schools would be a great start to preventing this. 1 overweight and close to retirement officer is not sufficient. You still haven’t answered my question to you after your first question to me. What’s your perfect solution to all this and how exactly will it work? There are far more things that kill people in United States in greater numbers than a firearm. Also it is not the firearm that killed 19 children. It was a psychopath that was intent on doing harm to others. Starting with his grandmother.
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I called it a few weeks ago when this happened... it would not take long for the TI brain trust to start calling this a false flag. So predictable and disappointing.
Huh? Where did I ever say that scenario would/should be ok?….you think I’m not pro-choice or something? GTFO with making assumptions like that man that’s messed up
You are implying that I would be OK with neighbors ratting each other out for getting abortions, a completely different scenario from ratting your neighbors out for making blatant violent threats
I wouldn’t want to rat my neighbor out for threats or violence unless I knew for a fact they were credible/dangerous. I would never rat anybody out for getting an abortion, like, ever
that last line wow!!!!
maybe you edited it. lol
My phone has been a menace with this auto correct since the most recent update
that one was great.
My phone has been a menace with this auto correct since the most recent update
I had another one equally as epic in a group text over the weekend. It’s becoming a regular thing
Robert O'Rourke for one, but it's widespread. Name a liberal politician at any level, and you'd probably be right.
There clearly isn’t a perfect solution, but I’d probably start with federal single payer healthcare that allows all Americans to have easy access to mental healthcare. This would solve a lot of other issues not related to gun violence as well. At a state and local level we should increase mental health access in schools, perhaps with a full time mental health professional on staff for some schools or districts.
Let’s treat guns like cars. In order to own a gun you must pass certain safety courses and obtain a license, you then must register you guns annually and you must own insurance on them to cover any accident. Then lets regulate the guns themselves. Let’s focus especially on hand guns and put a strict limit on the amount of rounds a gun can hold and limit the number of guns that are produced and sold so that, gradually, the volume of guns in the country decreases. There’s probably other things we could regulate on guns that I don’t even know about, I think the goal should be to make it really, really hard for an individual person to shoot a high number of people in a short period of time.
Nothing’s perfect, nothing is going to be a quick or easy fix, nothing’s going to be fool proof. But just because we can’t “stop” tragedies doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t try to significantly reduce them, if we truly believe that life is valuable and should be protected in any meaningful way.
This is what I’m referring to. The cops were called when he first showed up at the funeral home. They then showed up and did NOTHING. Also, how is someone able to shoot a gun outside of a school for 12 mins without anyone locking the daggum door?
I was at VT when the shooting happened. That shooting laid the precedent for school safety and protocols across the board. I’ve never been to a school since that has not had an intercom system that required you to be buzzed in or had classrooms that weren’t locked to the outside.
im also still trying to figure out why it was border patrol involved instead of local police…
I suspect you’ll see this play out quite often in divorce cases. Husband: she’s a psycho; wife: he’s a psycho.
interesting that the police commander on the scene, Pete Arredondo, who lied about officers having to use keys from a janitor to get into locked classrooms, is a Biden and Beto supporter and political donor. It has been confirmed those classroom doors do not lock from the inside. The security footage also confirms they did not try to open the classroom doors as Arredondo stated. The Uvalde police dept has also hired a private law firm to fight the release of the body cam footage.
It also doesn’t mean you should take away rights and freedoms from someone who hasn’t and won’t commit a crime. I agree on mental health issues. I’m not going to register any firearm with the federal government because 1. It’s no ones business what I own if I’m not a criminal and 2. Our government doesn’t have a great track record for trust (Republican or Democrat). Is there any legitimate research that proves magazine capacity prevents crime? If I have 1 30 round magazine or 3 10 round magazines there will be no difference. All a criminal would have to do is carry more magazines. As far as licensing it will never work. All a democratic government would have to do is deny your request for a license/permit. It already happens in New York and California. Speaking of California....all of the gun legislation in that state has not slowed down crime one bit. It has actually increased. As a free citizen I don’t want any gun legislation passed that hinders my ability in obtaining a tool for protection. According to FBI statistics I am twice as likely to use a firearm in self defense than I am to die as a result of a firearm. Contrary to our President’s opinion the Constitution is absolute and not up for removing freedoms. Amendments are made for increasing freedoms not taking away rights or making it harder on law abiding citizens.
The Second amendment only guarantees you the right to be armed and gives no other instruction on what that means. Even from an originalist point of view, the guns that existed at the time it was written are vastly different than the guns that exist now.
I’m not proposing that anyone be banned from owning firearms that isn’t already banned (felons, for example) nor am i proposing confiscating weapons that are already legally owned. I’m simply saying let’s regulate them the way we regulate other things. It’s no one’s business what kind of car you buy either, but the government requires it to be registered. The constitution gives you the right to vote but you have to register in order to do it. There’s nothing in the constitution about social security numbers.
And you’re right, the states shouldn’t determine the licenses, that should be federal. That would reduce the kinds of issues that we see in places like Illinois, where the majority of guns used in crimes are purchased in neighboring states that have more lax gun laws.
And I would argue that it does matter quite a lot if you have 130 rounds or 3 or 10. What could you ever need 130 rounds for? Are you expecting that a foreign military is going to break into your house? Is there some super deer out there that requires that many bullets to put it down? There’s only one reason why any person would ever need to have 130 rounds and that’s if their goal is to shoot a lot of people very quickly.
To understand the depths of evil in this world is not for everyone. In fact, most people don't, can't, or won't. They are the sheep.
My number was 1 magazine that holds 30 rounds or 3 magazines that hold 10 rounds each. There’s not much difference. You’re talking seconds difference in reloading fresh magazines.
Why do you hate freedom so much?
You want to treat an unalienable right as if it was a privilege?
Without the second amendment, and everything it provides, you'd have nothing left.
You really should read some history books. I mean, you're basically a nazi.
Ah ok. Well good point. Then we should require guns to be in such a way that changing out the magazine takes more time. If we start with the idea of “how can we make it really hard for someone to commit a mass shooting” then I’m sure we can figure out how to design a gun that way.
Why allow any firearm that requires a mag to be available to civilians? For civilian application (i.e home/self defense, hunting) what can a pistol do that a revolver cannot?
for long rifles, I have only heard one practical application for a AR15 style rifle and that is coyote hunting to protect cattle.
Outside of the reason “I like guns”, what is a practical reason for civilians to have anything outside of a revolver, shotgun, black powder or bolt action rifle?????
I have yet to hear one …
And I’m and staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment
How about the one that's mentioned right there in the 2nd Amendment?
Please point to the language in the 2nd Amendment that guarantees the right to specific style of firearms ?
2nd Amendment was written when black powder muskets were the only option.