We used to do the track thing here. It ran afoul of PC bullcrap. It isn't allowed here anymore because of that. Nearly every other country in the world does it.
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We used to do the track thing here. It ran afoul of PC bullcrap. It isn't allowed here anymore because of that. Nearly every other country in the world does it.
When I was an undergrad, the electives were grouped in different categories: fine arts, social sciences, etc. and you had to take so many from each category for the purposes of well-roundedness I suppose. I don't know how things are now though.
I know a lot of folks who when they were at State, they were really single-minded and only interested in one thing. While I can be single-minded, I tend to be more of a generalist. I liked the different classes and perspectives because I think that really helped my critical thinking skills.
Agree that it is a problem, disagree that it's the biggest problem. The biggest problems are bad loans. We never learn, in this country.
You can identify some of those kids in hs and it not be discrimination. You can identify these things for kids with iep’s and get them on this path quickly, as long as their parents are on board with it
You invest in the career tech areas of high schools. Students that want to learn how to weld, auto shop, or be a med tech can do that. Others can take the math/science/english path.
If we want to discuss how this would be implemented in actual practice this is how I would do it.
I would break HS into tiers. In the first Tier, have you basic prerequisites like math, english, literature, spanish etc..... You have two years to complete all required basic classes. After that, your Junior and senior years are focused in one of 5-10 "tracks". Robotics/Computer Programming, Engineering/Architecture, Vo-Tech trades, Science Focus, Math Focus, English Focus, etc. You would spend half your day your Junior and Senior years on those focused classes. Maybe when you graduated, you would be useful for something.
Also, maybe when you are a Junior and Senior, you would actually have to take a full day worth of classes. My Junior and Senior year both we like 40% days due to the level of classes and the amount of credits I already had.
In today's dollars...
Thats about $1600. Meanwhile the minimum wage of 1977 was $2.30/hr, or about $9.72/hr in 2019 dollars. You used to actually be able to work and pay your way through school, that's not an option anymore. Not to mention buying an affordable house in desirable location is much harder.
Thats about $1600. Meanwhile the minimum wage of 1977 was $2.30/hr, or about $9.72/hr in 2019 dollars. You used to actually be able to work and pay your way through school, that's not an option anymore. Not to mention buying an affordable house in desirable location is much harder.
No, it’s not. Life expectancy increases because the additional income from your 4 year degree allows you access to much higher quality of healthcare. Also, you will experience far fewer prolonged gaps in access which is very important for early detection.
People with a college degree are much more likely to exercise regularly; they have access to much better nutrition. Think about what a working professional in Charlotte ate for lunch today (chicken salad) vs “Hank” from the Transmission Repair shop (Baconator). As such, obesity rates drop.
College graduates smoke at a lower rate than non-college graduates too.
You combine all of those factors and you get on average an additional 7 years. Life expectancy among non-college graduates is actually lower in America today than the global expectancy. A 4 year degree will you put just above.
Dont think it matters for divorce rates? One of the most common reason for divorce is financial struggle. Obviously, your college degree will lower the risk of such struggle.
People with a college degree are much more likely to exercise regularly; they have access to much better nutrition. Think about what a working professional in Charlotte ate for lunch today (chicken salad) vs “Hank” from the Transmission Repair shop (Baconator). As such, obesity rates drop.
College graduates smoke at a lower rate than non-college graduates too.
You combine all of those factors and you get on average an additional 7 years. Life expectancy among non-college graduates is actually lower in America today than the global expectancy. A 4 year degree will you put just above.
Dont think it matters for divorce rates? One of the most common reason for divorce is financial struggle. Obviously, your college degree will lower the risk of such struggle.
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If you go out of state to college, you get the average cost per year of the State schools. This is still a great deal if you got in MPACT early like we did.
Let’s assume Hank’s kids also turn out obese in their 40s. Is it because they didn’t go to college or because their parents were bad examples?
Your return in that case generally will not match what a well managed 529 can do. It wouldn't have with us, not close.
So you’re saying they make enough money to live longer.
Guess they should all be able to pay for college.
It’s real simple. If you have 800 chiefs and no Indians, you eventually don’t gave a tribe.
If you have 1000 generals and no private’s and Sargents, you don’t win a war. Probably not even a battle.
Economies thrive by producing goods. Most college graduates are indirect labor in producing those goods.
You mentioned teen pregnancy. I wonder how closely that is tied to having two parents in the household with degrees or not.
Guess they should all be able to pay for college.
It’s real simple. If you have 800 chiefs and no Indians, you eventually don’t gave a tribe.
If you have 1000 generals and no private’s and Sargents, you don’t win a war. Probably not even a battle.
Economies thrive by producing goods. Most college graduates are indirect labor in producing those goods.
You mentioned teen pregnancy. I wonder how closely that is tied to having two parents in the household with degrees or not.
If you’re in a wealthier family, there’s a higher incidence of grade inflation and increased GPAs can mean getting into better colleges and universities. That’s from the Hechinger Report.
I will bite.
I am of the opinion that a college degree proves you have the aptitude to learn what someone with actual experience will teach you on the job. If you have a specialization (engineering, medical, etc.) it proves you will also know most of the jargon the day you start....
In the past it also meant you probably had a pretty good set of soft skills that usually means more than the technical stuff...
But I don't know if colleges are pumping out well rounded kids as often these days, they all seem to be a little to woke and not worried nearly enough about being broke.
I have two boys under 10 and I am going to have a hard time not trying to shove them straight into boot camp after high school... Of all the socialist policies being thrown around the old European compulsory year of service is one I could get behind... Cause the Pokemon generation needs it.**
What you still don't realize is that if everyone had a desk job then no one would be a janitor. The only way your premise works is if you assume that not everybody will do what you say they should do.
And LOL if you really still buy that divorces are due to money. CLUELESS.
Sarcasm aside, and alluding to this attitude among parents, I have a relative in another state that had a kid that was gifted in paint and body work on cars. He loved the work and loved automobiles in general. I had seen some flame work he did on a large tool box with an airbrush he did out of boredom and could not believe a 15 year old was capable of it.
He got up in high school and the talk was from him he was going to one day have his own shop. His parents took the “no son of mine is working in a filthy automobile shop” attitude.
they talked him in to going to college to “at least try”. He had no ambition for the curriculum, dropped out middle way through the sophomore year, picked up an alcohol addiction, and had his first snort of coke. He is now still in their house after several years and a couple trips to get clean.
ironically, I personally know a guy who was the same way. He had a passion for automotive work and car restoration. He went to a community college in paint and body. He now owns 3 successful shops and makes stupid money. He followed his passion all the way through.
The military is not for everyone, but if I would have joined right out of high school instead of being a lazy *** teenager/early 20s semi adult my life would have went much smoother much faster. It's the best thing that ever happened to me.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/electrician-shortage-six-figure-salary-job
Your post reminds me of this recent article.
Your post reminds me of this recent article.
All of those are largely due to sorting. The type of people that are conscientious and good at delayed gratification and long term thinking are the ones that (1) do well in school, (2) are a good fit for today's economy, (3) make good long term health decisions, (4) not throw away all the benefits of marriage because of a chance to get willie wet and/or because of a temporary drop in happiness/satisfaction. All of that means that the type of people that tend to go to college are also the type of people that will be productive in jobs, take care of themselve for the long term, and stay married.
There are certainly some peer effects that are significant contributors. Smoking has become a negative signal of class/social status as has being fat, and you're more likely to care about that if your peers care about it, and your peers are more likely to care about it if you went to college. But very little, if any, of those effects are due to college per se. You'll see a lot of the same impacts if you look at say IT professionals that got certifications rather than a degree. They are mostly the same type people as far as conscientiousness.
I asked Tate Reeves this exact question yesterday, comparing our tuition cost to Florida State, and stating that our costs have doubled over the last 12 years. His answer, "well Florida is not a good comparison, look at Troy in Alabama and LSU, they are more expensive than us. That's why you need to vote for me to build our economy" This after he just gloated how great our economy is under his leadership. So he also bragged how we now have 200 million in our rainy day fund. Why not loan the money to our in state kids to keep the federal government from subsidizing the loans and offer a big financial incentive if they stay in state after college. Makes too much sense to me but I digress.
Join the military. They will train almost anyone and provided skills to earn great money in the contract maintenance field once you're out. I'll guarantee you that anyone working an hourly job for Vertex Aerospace at NAS Meridian makes more than any other hourly employee in Meridian MS, probably the whole state.
Definitely not.
But it’s something that can’t be ignored as something young people are having to deal with. The average wage has decreased, while the cost of renting/owning a home has increased. All this while coming out of college in a huge financial hole due to outrageous tuition/book costs.
But it’s something that can’t be ignored as something young people are having to deal with. The average wage has decreased, while the cost of renting/owning a home has increased. All this while coming out of college in a huge financial hole due to outrageous tuition/book costs.
Except a college education is not the cause of those things....it’s merely another parallel benefit to all of the above. What allows all of it is for an individual to have a solid family and socio-economic support structure to set early life habits that allow for them to attend and succeed in college. That same structure is what leads to good mental and physical health and aptitudes, which leads to developing other soft skills needed to excel in the real world.
There are a few exceptions, but its preposterous to think that the majority of folks ever sit down one day and decide whether or not they will attend college, like they are picking whether to eat out or cook dinner that night. It’s either drilled into you at an early age that its a priority / expectation, or it isn’t. And its a lot more likely to be drilled into you if you come from a wealthy family with both parents still married, etc.
So in a ten-word sentence, you told two flat-out lies, followed it up with "Duh," and when decisively proven wrong, pulled out the ol' "agree to disagree" card. Nice.
Our $200M rainy day fund will cover about 1.3% of our unfunded pension liability. Yay us!!!1111!11
Did the decrease in state funding cause the increase in tuition, or did the increase in tuition cause a decrease in state funding?
It's a serious question to ask. Universities have to lobby for their portion of the state budget just like any other entity. If they can get more money from tuition increases easier than they can from the state budget, then they likely will be willing to not press for an increase in their state funding.
Parking lots are not a creature comfort. One of the most rural campuses in the country building a parking garage is a bit expensive. Add in the all of the other expenses and something has to give.
I am fine with the garage if it's a pay to park deal. It's a luxury item and should be broken out for those that want to pay for it... but I think they are just passing the cost along to all commuters by raising parking permits 10% across the board. Just raising the cost of attendance.
Think of it like an airport. I can park in the garage closest to the terminal for $30 per day or I can catch a shuttle from the back 40 for $5 per day. My choice based on what's important to me. It would suck balls to have to pay $17.50 a day for any spot.
You can build a concrete parking lot for about 10-15% of the cost of a parking garage without factoring in land costs.
University of Texas 51,000 students crammed into 431 acres in a major city. Parking garage necessary.
Mississippi State University 22,000 students on 4200 acres. Parking garage not necessary.
Surely this is not a serious complaint about the tuition at MSU. The tuition at MSU of about $4,400 per semester is less than half of what a good private costs in Memphis. MSU tuition is the best value for higher education of any university in the country.
They can increase it however much they want because they know it’s all coming from tax dollars via student loans from the government.
It's never easier to increase tuition than to request state funding. Also, it would be irresponsible of the university and the IHL to allow such a move. That would purposefully make the university less competitive.