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Bulldog Bruce

Bulldog Bruce

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As the number of EV cars increases, there will need to be way more supercharger spots than the amount of gas pumps. I went to Sams in Southaven on Sunday which has 12 or 14 filling spots. It was 3 cars deep on each pump. Each pump serviced 4 or 5 cars in 20 minutes. If a pump has to be taken up for the 20 (or 30) minutes to fill up, there will need to be 3 to 5 times as many spots.
 
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SheltonChoked

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fishwater99 said:
Electric cars are not so carbon free.

Just to build each car battery—weighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicles—would emit up to 74% more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if it's made in a factory powered by fossil fuels in a place like Germany, according to Berylls' findings.

https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint


Producing electric vehicles leads to significantly more emissions than producing petrol cars ... which is mostly from the battery production.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lif...are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html
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Never said EV's were "Carbon free". Mostly because that's a stupid *** metric since that's how the world gets most of its power.

But now most off these "experts" ignore the creation of the oils, grease, coolant, etc in ICE cars

But you cannot argue that after it's made and EV produces significantly less carbon than does an ICE car. And as we reduce coal use for power, the EV will continue to make less CO2.

At least that's what your cite says
[FONT=&quot]Experts broadly agree that electric vehicles create a lower carbon footprint over the course of their lifetime than do cars and trucks that use traditional, internal combustion engines.[/FONT]
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Bulldog Bruce said:
As the number of EV cars increases, there will need to be way more supercharger spots than the amount of gas pumps. I went to Sams in Southaven on Sunday which has 12 or 14 filling spots. It was 3 cars deep on each pump. Each pump serviced 4 or 5 cars in 20 minutes. If a pump has to be taken up for the 20 (or 30) minutes to fill up, there will need to be 3 to 5 times as many spots.
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Like maybe at everyone's house? Maybe we could make a way to plug in to some sort of "electrical outlet" there? Wouldn't have to be a supercharger. Just one that could have it full every morning...



Otherwise see what TVA, Entergy, and 12 others are doing....

If you could fill up your car at home, you would only see people traveling needing gas.
 
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patdog

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The environmental payback for an electric vehicle is about 2 years max. There's no doubt they have their up-front issues, but the back end benefit far outweighs it.
 
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SheltonChoked

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patdog said:
Thanks for the information. That's what I was looking for was the "real world" answer and not just a calculated number. I agree, when the 500 mile range electrics get here, it will be a real game changer. And by then, there will be charging stations at every exit so no need to plan where your stops need to be, you'll just stop whenever you get ready to. It'll be a while for me though. Just bought a ICE car (wish it had a hybrid option, but the car I wanted doesn't), so I'll be depleting our oil reserves for a while. Next vehicle will be at least a plug in though, and by then total electric may have closed the gap enough to make it worth it to me.
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No problem. and depending on how fast you trade cars, full EV might make sense on your next one.

Slightly off topic, but I've wondered if we'd ever see a ICE/Electric car/SUV. With electric motors driving the wheels, a battery and a small ICE engine to extend range. Like they to train locomotives now.
 
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johnson86-1

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SheltonChoked said:
Like maybe at everyone's house? Maybe we could make a way to plug in to some sort of "electrical outlet" there? Wouldn't have to be a supercharger. Just one that could have it full every morning...



Otherwise see what TVA, Entergy, and 12 others are doing....

If you could fill up your car at home, you would only see people traveling needing gas.
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It's going to be interesting to see the change. I'm not sure electric is really going to replace ICE in the next few decades, but I expect it will make enough of a push that you will see gas stations not on major highways struggle and gas stations on major highways have a lot of charging stations. Or maybe they won't be at charging stations but places like restaurants and strip malls where people can find ways to burn 30 minutes while they charge. Or I guess Buckys.
 
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Somebody mentioned using a 110v outlet for charging. While that is true, a 110v charger gives you about 3 miles of driving for each hour of charging.

The portable 110v charger that came with my car (Tesla Model S P100D) also has a changeable plug on the end that plugs into the wall and included a 14-250 plug that supplies 240v and charges at about 22-25 mph. It plugs into the plug-in in my garage where my RV is. I’m in the process of having a circuit installed that will have a 60 amp circuit breaker so I can install my Gen 3 Wall Connector which will charge at a rate of 35-44 mph.

With the 240v setup I currently am using I can usually charge the car completely up overnight so I start off the next day with a full charge. I need to do this because the two nearest superchargers to me are Meridian (50 miles) and Tupelo (90 miles).

I’ve only had this car for about 2 weeks now but I love it so far. BTW, it is not new; it’s a 2017 model which is fortunate for me because that was the last year Tesla included free lifetime supercharging with the vehicle so supercharging, for me anyway, is free. Most of my driving is to Columbus and Starkville (about 38-45 miles one-way) so charging at home works fine.

I did travel to Houston, Texas to pick up the car when I bought it. Driving back to Mississippi I had to stop twice to charge which was ok because the navigation function in the car looks at what your battery level is when you start the trip and then automatically routes you to superchargers in the most efficient way for your trip. The nearly self-driving feature sure did make the trip a lot less tiring, too.
 
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Crazy Cotton said:
That Ford is pretty amazing. Would be nice to have a dealership network available. Any idea when either of these will actually be available?
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Word is you can put down a deposit now for $100 and they will begin shipping in 1st quarter 2022. Now that is without taking into consideration of the lack of computer chips right now.
 
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