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I'm not sure what you mean by Mileage.
I'm getting 218 W/Mi in my 2021 SR+ M3, over 9,000 miles.
Epa says I should be at 24kW/100 miles. So i'm doing about 10% better.
I'm getting 218 W/Mi in my 2021 SR+ M3, over 9,000 miles.
Epa says I should be at 24kW/100 miles. So i'm doing about 10% better.
Gotcha. I'm looking at pre-ordering the dual motor cybertruck. Curious how accurate the 300 miles range would be.
I've seen where the Ford Lightning's EPA range is based on it having 1000 lbs of cargo. It's rated for 300 miles (long range model). Marquez Brownlee said it actually gets a lot better range that. Somewhere well over 400 miles.
I've seen where the Ford Lightning's EPA range is based on it having 1000 lbs of cargo. It's rated for 300 miles (long range model). Marquez Brownlee said it actually gets a lot better range that. Somewhere well over 400 miles.
The front storage under the hood is bad-***. Mount a TV under there, with some speakers and fill it with ice and have a party.
That Ford is pretty amazing. Would be nice to have a dealership network available. Any idea when either of these will actually be available?
I like the F150 better than the cybertruck. Ford dealer network, and that massive frunk with power.
It also depends on how you drive it. If you love to stomp it every time at drive at 85mph +, you'll use a lot more juice. 1,000lbs of cargo is a lot of extra everyday weight, but i could see it being used in a truck. Most of my driving in city and commuter stuff. Nothing long on the Highway at 75 MPH + ( which is why i just got the SR+)
I also only use from 80% battery to 20% battery usually (I have to charger every 2-4 nights) and have only gotten low to have to supercharge 2x both on days i had to drive across Houston 2x without charging the night before. But that's why i couldn't tell you about the range. I don't track it like that.
AC zaps the battery so get all the windows coated with a heat blocking film, and pre cool while plugged in helps a lot on range.
AC, cargo for a truck, cold weather, aggressive driving. All reduce range. EVs claim a range of about 350 miles. But I'm thinking the true usable range is more like 250 when you take into account weather/driving conditions and the fact you can't run it down to 0%. Still a great deal for around town driving, but I just can't see taking one on a trip anywhere.
PSA. If anyone is interested, I have a Lightning Reservation from 5/20 that I may or may not use. At the end of July there were over 120,000 reservations. They will only be able to build 15,000 in 2022 and 55,000 in 2023. They are planning to increase production of 2024 models to 80,000. So if you were place a reservation today its likely 3+ years out before you get one. I have all my confirmations and should be getting 1 of the early 2023 models based on my reservation date. So 12-16 months is what I am reading based on my confirmation date.
I reserved it with the idea of either flipping or using it. I was going to keep my old F-150 to tow a travel trailer and use the Lightning as the daily driver. Ended up needing a 3/4 ton for the camper. Not sure I want 2 new vehicles. So I am planning on flipping it now, since I figure there will be tons of people wanting one but not willing to wait 2 years, I am sure it will go for at least MSRP. Not sure if I get to keep the tax credit or not. But when demand outweighs supply, there is money to be made.
Anywho, if anyone is interested, shoot me a PM. I am supposed to pick all of the features in the next couple of months. If you want one, but don't want to wait, I am open to a discussion where I wouldn't try to hose anyone.
I reserved it with the idea of either flipping or using it. I was going to keep my old F-150 to tow a travel trailer and use the Lightning as the daily driver. Ended up needing a 3/4 ton for the camper. Not sure I want 2 new vehicles. So I am planning on flipping it now, since I figure there will be tons of people wanting one but not willing to wait 2 years, I am sure it will go for at least MSRP. Not sure if I get to keep the tax credit or not. But when demand outweighs supply, there is money to be made.
Anywho, if anyone is interested, shoot me a PM. I am supposed to pick all of the features in the next couple of months. If you want one, but don't want to wait, I am open to a discussion where I wouldn't try to hose anyone.
Since the engine doesn't need air, it makes it through deeper water than you'd expect....
I cannot find it now, but I have seen a video of a Tesla model 3 driving in water partway up the windshield.
With the longer ranger versions ( rated ~350 miles on a full charge, you can use 80% of the battery (90% to 10%) easily or 280 miles. The cars are more efficient than you think after you get going. It would be a pain if you were driving across the country, but fine for a beach trip from anywhere in MS.
The gamechanger is the [FONT="]Electric Highway Coalition, and how fast they get their supercharger network up. [/FONT]
The gamechanger is the [FONT="]Electric Highway Coalition, and how fast they get their supercharger network up. [/FONT]
That power has to come from somewhere. And I shouldn't have said "zaps", but it is the biggest power user for the first few miles in the summer.
Again, if you are leaving home, cooling the car down in the summer and warming the battery in the winter makes a difference. And it's nice to get into a comfortable car anyway. you can do it via the app.
Again, if you are leaving home, cooling the car down in the summer and warming the battery in the winter makes a difference. And it's nice to get into a comfortable car anyway. you can do it via the app.
Yesterday I drove my model 3 extended range from Naples to Viera, FL. 230 miles with a combination of interstate, four lane and two lane driving. I started with a full charge o 290 miles and made it to my destination with 30 miles left. After the meeting I was able to drive 15 miles to a supercharger where I charged up to 265 miles and made it home w/ about 35 miles left. Difference was drafting behind a semi on the I95 section.
Question for those more familiar with the electric autos. Do they have any provision for recreational towing, flat four wheel towing behind a motor home? With some sort of regenerative charging so that towing would charge the batteries, there is a huge untapped market. Jeep pretty much is the only auto maker that designs vehicles with RV towing in mind. I realize it’s an oxymoron towing an electric car with a diesel that’s getting 8 mpg but it’s a start.
Air conditioning doesn’t do much or anything to the projected range on my model 3. The heater or extreme cold certainly does (not a problem now that I live in FL) . The range is based off of about 230wh per mile. With the AC going here in Florida, I will routinely get less than 230wh that and more than rated range with just me in the car.
Of course these same factors also have an impact on a gas burning car as well. Weight, aircon etc all will diminish your range. The difference is obviously how quickly you can fill back up compared to a Tesla or an EV.
At the moment, there is certainly more planning involved that driving an ice, but we have done a LOT of road trips in the car and the experience is just not what people envision. Unless you are the type (which is fine) that typically goes 4 hours without a stop, then you probably wouldn’t like it depending on how far you have left to go. The lower the battery, the quicker the charge. (Up to 1000 miles per hour now on the new Super Chargers)
If you have 2 girls in the car who like to stop every 2 hours, you are probably not adding any time at all to your 500 mile trip assuming you stop at a Super Charger for the break. We plan around them.
Example. You are heading from the north side of Atlanta to Destin. A little over 2 hours to get to Auburn. Bathroom break at the SC. Back in the car and off to Defuniak Springs. Bathroom break and SC there till they get out. We haven’t added any more time to that trip compared to the wife’s car.
Certainly this does not work for every location and if you are completely off the beaten path with no SC or destination charging, it will not be anywhere as convenient as gas. With the amount of SC that are already out there along the interstate system, road trips are a no brainer and since we are starting at full charge from the house, we typically are plugging in with no less than 100 left in the tank after 2 to 3 hours.
If you are driving less than 200 miles a day, there is no comparison to an ice. You always leave the house full.
Again. Not perfect and right for every situation, yet. But there are still a lot of misconceptions on what owning one entails and at least with a Tesla, as Super Chargers (and range) continue to be added, the disadvantages for road tripping diminish.
My real world. Experience of over 33,000 miles total now and road trips as long as about 800 miles. My maintenance so far has been new tires and windshield washer fluid.
https://supercharge.info/map
Of course these same factors also have an impact on a gas burning car as well. Weight, aircon etc all will diminish your range. The difference is obviously how quickly you can fill back up compared to a Tesla or an EV.
At the moment, there is certainly more planning involved that driving an ice, but we have done a LOT of road trips in the car and the experience is just not what people envision. Unless you are the type (which is fine) that typically goes 4 hours without a stop, then you probably wouldn’t like it depending on how far you have left to go. The lower the battery, the quicker the charge. (Up to 1000 miles per hour now on the new Super Chargers)
If you have 2 girls in the car who like to stop every 2 hours, you are probably not adding any time at all to your 500 mile trip assuming you stop at a Super Charger for the break. We plan around them.
Example. You are heading from the north side of Atlanta to Destin. A little over 2 hours to get to Auburn. Bathroom break at the SC. Back in the car and off to Defuniak Springs. Bathroom break and SC there till they get out. We haven’t added any more time to that trip compared to the wife’s car.
Certainly this does not work for every location and if you are completely off the beaten path with no SC or destination charging, it will not be anywhere as convenient as gas. With the amount of SC that are already out there along the interstate system, road trips are a no brainer and since we are starting at full charge from the house, we typically are plugging in with no less than 100 left in the tank after 2 to 3 hours.
If you are driving less than 200 miles a day, there is no comparison to an ice. You always leave the house full.
Again. Not perfect and right for every situation, yet. But there are still a lot of misconceptions on what owning one entails and at least with a Tesla, as Super Chargers (and range) continue to be added, the disadvantages for road tripping diminish.
My real world. Experience of over 33,000 miles total now and road trips as long as about 800 miles. My maintenance so far has been new tires and windshield washer fluid.
https://supercharge.info/map
There's no doubt electric is the future, and becoming the present. I just think the plug in hybrid is still the way to go for the next decade or so. Best of both worlds. Total electric for at least half of most people's day-to-day driving plus the convenience of a 40+MPG gasoline vehicle for long trips (even electrics are "only" about 100-120MPG equivalents depending on utility rates).
How long do the charges take at the stops? That's got to get in the 15 minute range to even begin to compare to filling up a gasoline vehicle in 5 minutes. I know the day is coming when it will get there, and it may be there now, I just don't know which is why I'm asking. Also, they need to get to the point there's charging stations at least every 30 miles on an Interstate highway to avoid the strict planning you have to do now. I understand that on some routes, particularly along the east coast, it's a lot further along than others, like rural southeast and out west.
A decade is a long time. And if you only have one car, the current electrics, and charging network might make it more difficult than an ICE. But as a second vehicle? with TVA electric rates? it would be very hard to beat an EV.
In the EMPA Mississippi region, it costs you ~$5.50 to get that 300 mile range in a 100 kW battery.
In the EMPA Mississippi region, it costs you ~$5.50 to get that 300 mile range in a 100 kW battery.
Right now there is no way to disengage the motor from the wheels, and towing will break things. So no. not as of now.
He Told you. The superchargers charge at 600 to 1,000 miles an hour. So to get a 100 mile charge takes (100/1000 * 60) 6 minutes to (100/600 *60) 10 minutes.
And read this link on supercharger networks... https://www.tva.com/newsroom/press-...ition-more-than-doubles-growing-to-14-members
People have thought about all of your concerns....
And, Like he said, if you are really just a 5 minute gas and go stop, it's not for you. If you have to go inside when you get gas, you won't notice the difference (well except it's going to be much cheaper to fill it up)
Shelton more or less answered it, but it really just “depends.” The Destin trip for example, you could just about make the trip without a charge, but 10 minutes for both stops has you arriving the house with probably a 50 mile cushion. We then plug into a 110v while there and again leave fully charged. More than enough to make it straight to Auburn and then 15-20 there in that case to arrive home.
From my house to Starkville was a little more of an issue. Since the Tuscaloosa SC was still under construction, I would spend 30 minutes or so in BHM depending on how long I was at the parents house. I would need to make sure I could plug in there and have enough time and charge to get back to BHM. If we stayed at one of the hotels with a level 2, or we were there for a long weekend, i would only need 10 minutes or so in BHM or could actually stop in Oxford Al prior. . Once TCL opens (opened?), it would not require any planning really.
My goal used to be to click off the miles with few of stops as possible and I would even pee in a cup to avoid them. Plugging in for a few minutes while having a soda and watching
Dawgs on YouTube TV for a few minutes, just isn’t a hassle to me and the wife sure likes the “not rushing” a whole lot better.
All that being said, this is with a long range model. 300m is a long way. 200mi range would be much more limiting for road trips with the current infrastructure. On the other hand, if you start looking at 500mi range, the worlds your oyster unless you are routinely doing 500 plus mile road trips.
The other thing you are missing is you get in the car every morning with a charged battery.
How many days a year do you drive 300+ miles a day? How many days do you get in your car now with a full tank, and have to put gas in it again?
Again, not saying you'd want to do a cannonball run in one, but "how long it takes to charge on a road trip" not near as a hang up as you think. When I drive with kids and a wife, I have to stop more for them than I do for gas. If we took my Model 3, I'd just charge while we stopped each time.
How many days a year do you drive 300+ miles a day? How many days do you get in your car now with a full tank, and have to put gas in it again?
Again, not saying you'd want to do a cannonball run in one, but "how long it takes to charge on a road trip" not near as a hang up as you think. When I drive with kids and a wife, I have to stop more for them than I do for gas. If we took my Model 3, I'd just charge while we stopped each time.
I'm not missing that. Electric is more than fine for day to day driving. It's not there yet for trips, although it's getting closer all the time. I just think the plug-in hybrid offers so much more flexibility. For much of your day-to-day driving, it's the same as an electric car, and even when it's using gas, it gets 40+ MPG, which is only about 2.5-3.0 times as expensive as the electricity to power an electric vehicle. I figured out that I'd fill up with gas about once a month with a plug-in hybrid plus on trips.
I have friends in the GTR area with a Model 3 Long Range. They make trips to Orange Beach/gulf shores with the same number of stops as in an ICE (1-2). They just stop at a supercharger instead of a gas station. They charge at a 110V at the condo while there for trips around. Same for the trip back.
It's not "strict planning". It's just planning. It's like saying you want to stop at Sam's or Costco for cheap gas vs the quickie mart. Same kind of planning.
Also there are more 240V chargers around than you think. RV hookups, Hotels, Supermarkets, office buildings, etc. Many are even free.
It's really going to be interesting to see how individual decisions are made as to when and why to go EV going forward . Right now the economy is good enough that more decisions would probably be based on convenience (availability and logistics of charging), dependability and "gulp" status. BUT we all know that there will be times again when we're "counting our pennies" and economics will be the over riding decision influencer. I'm personally ready to try one as a second vehicle.
Yeah. Like we have said. If you just power through the miles on trips, and stop only for gas, and only as long as it takes to fill up, ICE or Hybrid is the way to go.
If you stop for more than just gas, and take more time than to just fill the tank, you won't notice the difference.
And your math is off on the cost to fill it up. 40 MPG is 2.5 gallons per 100 miles. Regular Gas at walmart in Starkville is $2.67 today. That's $6.68/ 100 miles. You can get 300 miles of electricity for ~$5 in the TVA area. (which would cost you $20+ of gas). But if you only fill up once a month, you would be wise to use better gas than wal mart provides.
If you stop for more than just gas, and take more time than to just fill the tank, you won't notice the difference.
And your math is off on the cost to fill it up. 40 MPG is 2.5 gallons per 100 miles. Regular Gas at walmart in Starkville is $2.67 today. That's $6.68/ 100 miles. You can get 300 miles of electricity for ~$5 in the TVA area. (which would cost you $20+ of gas). But if you only fill up once a month, you would be wise to use better gas than wal mart provides.
The break though is projected to be when batteries cost less than engines (when EV's are cheaper to buy than ICE cars). Which is projected to be ~2024-2025.
Add in the utilities in the US investing in putting superchargers everywhere, and it will make a lot more sense.
Add in the utilities in the US investing in putting superchargers everywhere, and it will make a lot more sense.
Thanks for the information. That's what I was looking for was the "real world" answer and not just a calculated number. I agree, when the 500 mile range electrics get here, it will be a real game changer. And by then, there will be charging stations at every exit so no need to plan where your stops need to be, you'll just stop whenever you get ready to. It'll be a while for me though. Just bought a ICE car (wish it had a hybrid option, but the car I wanted doesn't), so I'll be depleting our oil reserves for a while. Next vehicle will be at least a plug in though, and by then total electric may have closed the gap enough to make it worth it to me.
Well, I think most families have a "road trip car". We take the same SUV on trips and I only drive my car if I am traveling for work. And if I'm traveling more than 300 miles one way, I am probably better off renting a car anyway. I have been pretty down on electric cars in the past, but the longer range ones would work for me. I just can't justify the costs now because I drive too little.
How long does it take to charge? What do you do if there is not charging station, or you have to wait for a charger?
Electric cars are not so carbon free.
Just to build each car battery—weighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicles—would emit up to 74% more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if it's made in a factory powered by fossil fuels in a place like Germany, according to Berylls' findings.
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint
Producing electric vehicles leads to significantly more emissions than producing petrol cars ... which is mostly from the battery production.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lif...are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html