OT: Supply Chain

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patdog

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I have no direct experience with JIT, but that's what I've always wondered. I'm sure it looks great on all the spreadsheets and projections, but what happens when any little thing goes wrong? Seems to me the cost of idling waiting for materials would be a lot more than the savings from eliminating inventory.
 

mstateglfr

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Sadly the $15/hr burger flipper is real... Took this photo the other day.

Over the last 18 months(so since covid), there has been an uptick in my metro of people standing at the corner of offramps and busy intersections asking for money. There is one corner of a busy intersection where it is guaranteed someone is there between 7am and 7pm.
1 block away, McDonalds is hiring at $13/hour. 1 block away, PizzaHut is under new ownership and hiring at $13/hour. Across the street, Caseys(large gas chain) is hiring at $13-15/hour. 1 block in another direction, Wendy's and TacoJohn's are both hiring(not sure how much). They all have 'NOW HIRING' signs and show starting wages.


It is so confusing. I cant imagine sitting out in 90-95 degree heat every day(what its been for the last couple weeks) and asking for money when there is a convenience and gas store literally across the street with A/C that will pay you to just ring up purchases and mop a floor every now and then for $13/hour.
 

Cooterpoot

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The two that quit in my friend's office not only left decent paying jobs, but they knew they were about to be paid an extra $3-$5 Covid hazard pay per hour. But those damn masks!!!
 

Smoked Toag

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Don't do this. Don't act like this is one sided and is fully due to a transition at the executive level.
Examples can be given that legitimately show both parties hurting economic recovery, helping economic recovery, hurting the middle class, helping the middle class, etc etc.

Also, what good fortune are you talking about? Nothing in my post even suggests good fortune. All I listed are examples of chaos.
You were happy as a lark during the shutdown, because you were working at home and had no real worries. Same with L4 Shankass. What makes you two pieces of **** is that were clamoring for more shutdowns while so many other than yourselves, were suffering.
 

thatsbaseball

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I had to go into Jackson a couple of days ago. A group was "working" the Northside drive interchange under I-55. I pulled up in a group of cars at the stop light and a young woman jumped out of a relatively new Lexus in front of us with a bag of what appeared to be cold bottled water and sat it at the base of a street sign then jumped back in her car. If I had to bet she, was making a "delivery" to the panhandlers' that they had requested I.E. it didn't appear to be a random act of kindness. With all the money floating around those people may be doing better than you think.
 

patdog

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We have those guys up and down I-55 in Jackson. I'm certain they're making a lot more than $13/hr. And a lot of those guys prefer that lifestyle.
 

D4L

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But there is a political party that wants to pile on even MORE regulations, which will drive more companies overseas. They dont know how to get out of their own way.
 

mstateglfr

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We have those guys up and down I-55 in Jackson. I'm certain they're making a lot more than $13/hr. And a lot of those guys prefer that lifestyle.

Yeah, there is a chance thats happening, its just so confusing as to how. I guess I underestimate how many people give money? Or how much each gives? I would think getting 7 cars an hour to give you $2 each, hour after hour, would be tough. But clearly I have no experience to base that on so its just a preconceived notion.
 

patdog

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You've probably got 10,000-20,000 cars per day going through these intersections. If it's 10,000, that 417/hour. But that included nights and other off-peak times. At peak times, lets say it's twice that or 834/hour. If I get 1 car in 50 to give me $2, that's $34/hour with no taxes withheld. And I bet my calculations are conservative.
 

johnson86-1

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Agree. I imagine the real deadbeats always find a way to be deadbeats with, or without, federal help.

They do, so imagine how much worse they are when they do have federal help. And you are wrong about the number of deadbeats. There are jobs everywhere. Renters that aren't worried about racking up huge debts are generally not renters that are foregoing all the jobs out there because they are reasonably waiting for something similar to the high paying job they lost. Those people are probably msotly taking whatever job they can find because they know that if they do get a better paying job, they'll acctuallky have to pay it back. It's on the renters for whom garnishments are just a way of life that aren't worried about racking up debt for a year of non-payment of rent.
 

mstateglfr

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You were happy as a lark during the shutdown, because you were working at home and had no real worries. Same with L4 Shankass. What makes you two pieces of **** is that were clamoring for more shutdowns while so many other than yourselves, were suffering.

I was happy during the early months of the pandemic in that it suited me and my work well. I was happy in that I happened to luck into a job years ago that fit the shutdown and allowed me to still work.
I was not happy to hear my company furloughed a massive % of employees which sitting on hundreds of millions in reserves.
I was not happy to see so many people across my town/state/region/country be fired or be out of work.

To be very clear, I posted many times that my state never actually shut down since it didnt. What shutdown?...some areas did shut down more than others, but even in the most restricted of examples, it wasnt shut down like other countries.



Also, Drebin said congrats on my good fortune since I voted for all of this. Are you claiming he is saying my good fortune is that I was able to continue to work? If thats what Drebin meant, then how I voted has nothing to do with my good fortune since I was working during Trump's administration, so his comment makes 0 sense. Its already a wrong comment, but it it would be both wrong and not make sense.
Im guessing that isnt what Drebin meant.

This discussion is about supply chains. I do not know what good fortune Drebin is alluding to since all I initially posted about was chaos and uncertainty, which both lead to frustration and headaches.
These supply chain issues are not a result of a single administration. They are not the sole fault of Trump and are not the sole fault of Biden.
How each of us voted in November is of no bearing to the supply chain issues we are experiencing right now. Had Trump stayed in office, we would still have supply chain issues due to global supply delays.
 

Drebin

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This discussion is about supply chains. I do not know what good fortune Drebin is alluding to since all I initially posted about was chaos and uncertainty, which both lead to frustration and headaches.
These supply chain issues are not a result of a single administration. They are not the sole fault of Trump and are not the sole fault of Biden.
How each of us voted in November is of no bearing to the supply chain issues we are experiencing right now. Had Trump stayed in office, we would still have supply chain issues due to global supply delays.

Meh, you know exactly what I meant, and it burns your ***. But instead of being a man and owning it, you're going to be a ***** and try to twist and stratify to bait me into a six page thread full of shitposts, while hoping everyone else is too stupid to know better. Nobody here wants that but you, and the members of your little downvoting social club.
 

johnson86-1

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Vocational jobs need to pay well enough.
They do pay well enough mostly. The drawback to vocational jobs is that you often have a relatively flat earnings curve. You start out high, but even as you get more skilled, a lot of jobs are looking for just competent and you can't necessarily get a big premium as you gain more experience. That's true for some office jobs too. I know people that are still making $20 an hour after decades of work. There are just more obvious and visible examples of people that move up and make good money, and people don't think about the fact that there are older employees that never really pass up what somebody makes per hour in the first few years of things like welding or pipe fitting.

And also compensate for the years of wear and tear that often comes with the jobs.
This is true. A lot of the benefits of that high early pay are offset by the need to save more early because you may not be able to count on saving more when you make a lot more (not that white collar workers can either) and you need to be saving as if you are going to either retire or take a pay cut when your 55, cause you very well could (although this is also true for white collar workers just like they can't count on escalating their earnings throughout their career, it's just a much smaller risk generally).

To be clear, I totally agree with you- there should not be a stigma due to someone being an electrician or plumber. Those jobs are seemingly in constant demand and good ones that are prompt and return calls are relatively rare(at least around me).
I think it's not just that they have a stigma, it's that white collar jobs have an undeserved halo. We spent so much time brainwashing kids into thinking that college is the responsible thing to do, of course a lot of people internalized that jobs that didn't require a college degree were somehow inferior and anything that required a college education (even if it is a ******** requirement because a smart high school graduate could do it and learn and the job, and likely did so before college degrees started getting handed out like candy).
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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I'm not saying any of those are blameless, but if Americans are simply unwilling to work in manufacturing, what is your solution to the problem?

You are partially correct. Americans won't work in manufacturing for the low pay that it would take for us to be competitive with China. That was one of the big things the previous administration was working with China about and I will drop it there without the counterpoint that makes endless post battles.
 

Drebin

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No, I'm talking about making it more profitable to get off your *** and work instead of sitting on the couch. There's a reason every damn business you walk past has a help wanted sign in the window.

This post needs more cowbell.

It's not just expanded unemployment benefits, which many places have expired. Entitlement reform has been needed for a long time, and this was a problem well before Covid hit. Allowing for things such as eviction moratoriums make it worse.
 

mstateglfr

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Meh, you know exactly what I meant, and it burns your ***. But instead of being a man and owning it, you're going to be a ***** and try to twist and stratify to bait me into a six page thread full of shitposts, while hoping everyone else is too stupid to know better. Nobody here wants that but you, and the members of your little downvoting social club.


Jesus man, I have no idea what you meant. Clearly Goat also doesnt know what you meant.

I have no idea why you think my votes in November resulted in 'all this'. Covid supply chain issues existed before the election and would have continued even if Trump won. Extra unemployment benefits started during Trump's time in office so those also existed before the election.

I dont want to get into some long thread full of **** posts. Just explain WT17 you mean and be done. Instead of just saying what you mean, you consistently tell me I know what you are talking about and that I am playing games.

This thread has been actually really interesting to me and nothing I posted has been me 'playing games'. Its discussing economics, business decisions, and labor which is all quite interesting during this quiet period in sports. Dont submarine it by posting cryptic snide **** that requires interpretation which then leads to you declaring the interpretation was incorrect on purpose.
 

Drebin

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This thread has been actually really interesting to me and nothing I posted has been me 'playing games'. Its discussing economics, business decisions, and labor which is all quite interesting during this quiet period in sports. Dont submarine it by posting cryptic snide **** that requires interpretation which then leads to you declaring the interpretation was incorrect on purpose.

My comment was an aside to this thread and wasn't cryptic. It's written in English and not Greek. I'm assuming you scored at least a 20 on the reading section of the ACT. Stop being an insufferable douchebag.
 

mstateglfr

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My comment was an aside to this thread and wasn't cryptic. It's written in English and not Greek. I'm assuming you scored at least a 20 on the reading section of the ACT. Stop being an insufferable douchebag.

Genuinely- thanks for clarifying that your comment had nothing to do with the thread. That helps because I thought it had to do with the thread topic, since you quoted my comments about the thread topic.
I am still not sure what my good fortune is or what 'all of this' is referring to when you say I voted for all of this, but ok then- I am accept a bit of mystery and confusion in life.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Don't worry, it rolls downhill. Take Nissan Canton, for example. If you are the seat guy, they have you by the balls with a contract that requires you hit deliverable metrics that ensure they don't have to shut their line down for lack of seats. If you cause them a single minute, they will bill you by the minute; a lot. I'm sure seat guy pushes it down further into the supply chain with similar requirements. At some basic raw material level, some poor sap has to actually have some inventory or the whole thing is screwed, so you have an entire industry that is distribution for raw material type things. Heck, there are entire warehouses surrounding Nissan with countless truck docks on nearly every side just to manage the logistics of keeping the beast fed. Long story short, typically there is a price to be paid by nearly everyone in the supply chain, with the top dog, Nissan in this example being largely left without having to stock and manage inventory. This largely removes the risk of them having a bunch of inventory that they can't move. Hypothetically, it should lower costs overall because the closer you get to raw materials, the less labor has been expended, so pushing inventory risk way downstream should be more profitable. In reality, who knows? Not my area of expertise to really know the economics of it...
 

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Mental illness, substance induced mental illness, inability to stay clean long enough to get hired/stay employed and laziness/unwilling to work are the top things I see on the streets, in order. There are also a few, not many, who want to do better, but literally don't know how to get from where they are to employed. Think about the last time you filled out an employment application and had to leave the address blank...
 

horshack.sixpack

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I left off my sarcasterisks. I would like all the "never needed government to hold my hand" people in my state to at least recognize that they are really only against specific handouts. Primarily the ones that don't benefit them. Most of them beat their chest about how self-sufficient they are without realizing if it weren't for federal welfare they wouldn't have a road to drive to work on...
 
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