A capitalistic society commands that the market will set everything. If people will work for $10 instead of $20, the market says that job is worth $10. There is no relevance to what people in the 70s got. Furthermore, due to many innovations, I’d suggest that people live a “richer” life today than people in the 70s. Ask those people how many people took trips and traveled outside the country. Very few. Today people fly across the country like it’s a normal activity. People live in homes that 30 years ago were considered luxury mansions.
OT: State Auditor - Oops
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I like my wage so I do it the way my employer wants me to do it. Wish I could do things the way I want to, but I haven't figured that one out yet. My wife has a flexible job and she works from home a lot, it works for her. I need the office structure in order to have any productivity. If they'd keep paying me I'd quit tomorrow.
Working a full time job is now “working too much”? Good grief. Move to Europe?
Yep, you can either work for someone else and follow their rules in exchange for a salary and benefits, or start your own business and set your own rules and hours.
But if you think 40 hours of week is too much, you probably don't have the work ethic to start your own business. You'll be working 24/7 until you turn a profit, if you ever do.
If you have time and means to spend hours on a message board, you have the time to invest in yourself so that you can get a job that you enjoy, or that gives you more time off to spend with friends and family.
You guys don't get it. People entering the work force have their labor valued WAY below what it was decades ago. They are fighting back against that valuation on multiple fronts. One front is the wage. Other fronts are the non-wage perks. It's a simple metric:
Employers: We believe your labor is worth worth X dollars for this Z hours.
New laborers: We believe our labor is worth Y dollars for Z hours.
Employers: We are unwilling to pay you Y dollars.
New laborers: Then we are unwilling to work Z hours.
Unless every one of you is a business owner (you're not) you should be on board that train, not trying to derail it. It benefits you, too.
The reason you fight back against others seeking these kinds of benefits is that you don't think you can get them yourself. You can. The fact that you deserved them and never got them is not a reason why they aren't deserved today.
And if you say you wouldn't want to make the same money for a 4 day work week if you could match you output in 4 days, you're L-Y-I-N-G. I'm still waiting to meet the first person who gets some remote days and goes, "This sucks! I was way happier sitting in traffic twice a day 5+ days a week and having to fit somebody else's definition of looking productive even though how long I sit at my desk is only very loosely correlated with how much work I get done."
I work anywhere from 400 to 600 hours of OT a year and I do it in a five month period. It sucks, but it is what it is. If my pension were ever taken away I would leave though
It's a classic hazing mentality.
"This crappy thing was done to me so now it has to be done to you."
"Why? What are the merits of this crappy thing?"
"There are no merits, but I have convinced myself there are merits so I don't feel angry that it happened to me. We all had to do it and so do you."
"No."
"I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW SPOILED AND SELF-IMPORTANT YOU ARE!"
"Because I don't want the crappy thing?"
"It makes you better!"
"There is objective data that shows the opposite is true."
"Your whole generation is garbage!"
OT is great if you get paid OT wages. It's when they "promote" you to being some salaried assistant manager and now you're working 60 hours instead of 40 and making $2K more a year to work 3,120 hours than you did for 2,080 hours that your head should start to turn sideways.
Your effective hourly wage just got thrown in the dumpster and now you're the guy who has to stay late, put out the fires and close up shop every time another minimum wage employee who gets no training and no benefits burns out and quits.
I want to ROCK!
I've been there. I left. I get time and a half for OT then Uncle Sam takes half of that. There is no justice here.
But don't you feel good at night knowing that money helped build some really cool missiles?
Are you just questioning life expectancy based on when you retire or the others? The life expectancy has been done multiple times over the years. The rest about more people traveling, with big homes, granite, etc is just my observation.
I get it just fine. The people that don’t get it it are those entering the work force with a massively overinflated sense of their own worth and qualifications. I see it every day, day in and day out. Kids out of college that think they are bringing something new and unique to the table and not realizing they are one in a line of dozens or even hundred applicants. Most of them very, very average or below average.
Yup. My job allows me to work from home if I wanted to. I've tried it and I don't get **** done.
Life's never been fair, deal with it the best you can. But some will still whine more than others about their lot in life.
I'm not sure what the tie in was with life expectancy after retirement?
Was more interested in whether the rest of the info was supported or just a thought.
That's a personal problem. Some people can't work without a taskmaster standing over them, others can't focus with 15 jabbering coworkers all over the place. There's no right or wrong way to be productive.
The train of more flexibility in work out, remote days, paid sick time, etc.
No paid sick time is one of the dumbest policies you can possibly have. You punish people for not working so you encourage them to show up sick and get the rest of your workforce sick and really screw productivity so now instead of 1 person out you've got several. Oh and getting your customers sick, too.
I don't have a taskmaster over me. I'm my own boss.
I tend to believe more people are productive at an office then they are at home. If they were more productive at home then employers would let more of their employees work from home.
You tend to believe wrong.
https://www.inc.com/scott-mautz/a-2...-productivity-boost-of-working-from-home.html
More evidence that remote time increases productivity
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrya...oductive-than-in-office-workers/#5b93f04f31f6
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrya...oductive-than-in-office-workers/#5b93f04f31f6
More benefits of allowing remote work:
https://globalworkplaceanalytics.com/resources/costs-benefits
https://globalworkplaceanalytics.com/resources/costs-benefits
You're right, think I'm gonna go enjoy the on-site gym my employer pays for. Gotta keep my bench numbers above 375 if I wanna stay on this board!Beav its Friday, quit wasting your breath and enjoy the little time you have outside of work
I'm not saying it can't happen, but if it would work for me and my employees, it would be happening right now. There's a reason why I'm not implementing working from home for my employees.
I'm not against working from home. In fact I'm all for it if it's better for business.
Pros AND CONS to working from home, it's not all 100% upside:
https://blog.hubstaff.com/disadvantages-of-working-from-home/
True, but we need to look out for us old guys too. One of the best parts of my job is effing with the young people and it just isn't as much fun over Skype. I just told a young employee today that I could tell she was trying to put on a show of being competent until I retire, then I knew she would go back to her old ways. I told her to forget about it, even when I was dead in the ground my ghost would hover around making sure she did the right thing. I'm not sure she knew what to make of that, but she stepped up her game for the rest of the day.
See...this is also my point. This dude is going to be attacked for being at a bar by a bunch of people who were reading the story on their work computer and emailing friends.
We all waste a **** load of time at work. I know I do. If I could sneak out to a bar during the day, I would. When I want an easy day, I give busy work or group work or a test or show a movie.
Sorry if my response came across that way. Not what I intended, because I am all in favor of people trying to improve their work situation, their compensation, or both. I've done it numerous times over the past 30+ years, sometimes getting my *** handed to me but often with good results.
The point I was trying to make is that contrary to popular opinion, there is no "system." There is no Us and there is no Them. There is just you and your employer, and if you are going to negotiate a better situation, you have to do so from a position of strength. So first, make sure your work is so good that the idea of you walking out the door causes your employer some major heartburn. Second, you will never be in a position of strength if every dime of your paycheck is spent before it even lands in your back account.
That advice has nothing to do with Baby Boomers or Millennials or any of that nonsense. I like to think it transcends all that.
The whole timing of this seems very odd to me.
But at least Charlie has good taste in spending tons of time at Brewsky's.
But at least Charlie has good taste in spending tons of time at Brewsky's.
Not a set up at all. I've known the writer for years. He's been around the Legislature and Capitol doings as long as anyone in the media. He witnessed an execution. This is someone who knew a lot of people in high power in Nebraska and told us what was going on. Accept it or not.