So what does the pack say about self driving cars? Personally, I think it will be a sad day when I can't put the foot down and here the engine rev or make sweeping turns on some back road, but having narrowly avoided an accident just the other day, I get the attraction to them.
OT: Self driving cars
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Self driving cars are inevitable. Just get ready.
There will still be plenty of "classics" around for people who want to drive. But within 15 years almost all new passenger vehicles will be self driving.
There will still be plenty of "classics" around for people who want to drive. But within 15 years almost all new passenger vehicles will be self driving.
I wish it was today. I like to drive sometimes, but most of the time I want to do something more productive with my time. I also hate paying for vehicles and maintanence. Let me just call an uber for everything for less money, less effort and more safety. You guys can have nostalgia and recreational driving.
They have been a total failure up to now, numerous accidents. Its another way to control people, I am absolutely 100% against them. The human brain is slowly being dumbed down. We don't have to think anymore, let a machine make all the decisions sounds evil to me.
Eventually the effect on public health could be huge, but
here's an article that is cautioning people to pump the brakes on that thought for a while...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...4b64f3d453f_story.html?utm_term=.2cdc3e335e05
here's an article that is cautioning people to pump the brakes on that thought for a while...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...4b64f3d453f_story.html?utm_term=.2cdc3e335e05
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So if computers can be hacked then so can self driving cars. Let's see, we have two young teenagers in the woods by an interstate and decide to hack a car's onboard computer because they have nothing better to do. Then they precede to do that with a cellphone and make a car run into other cars and so forth. Then you have computer failures that will happen because well, they're computers. No thanks
The thought of much smooth traffic flow, accidents virtually non existent, cleaner for the environment, cheaper, etc. is something I look forward to. Hopefully it gets here quicker than is currently anticipated.
I drive Tesla's every chance I get. Love those things.
Think about the 4,000,000 truck drivers that won't have a job in the very near future. Artificial intelligence will end our economic system in the next generation or two.
Think about the 4,000,000 truck drivers that won't have a job in the very near future. Artificial intelligence will end our economic system in the next generation or two.
Lot of accidents will occur before we reach that point. But that is the case with anything. Point is, it's not going to be as easy as you idealist utopian types think. Far from it.
Didn't a vet, who was a big proponent of these things with a YouTube channel & all, meet his demise in one?
Strat is right. The Tesla Model S is one of the best driving cars on the road. Zero to 60 in 3 seconds or less. Beautiful car as well and no oil changes.
The thing with self driving Big Rigs I can't quite grasp yet is how do they refuel? Just pull in and an attendant comes out and fills it up? Or charges it up if it's an EV?
One nice thing from a consumer perspective is self driving rigs never have to sleep, so we can get stuff quicker. So there's that.
The thing with self driving Big Rigs I can't quite grasp yet is how do they refuel? Just pull in and an attendant comes out and fills it up? Or charges it up if it's an EV?
One nice thing from a consumer perspective is self driving rigs never have to sleep, so we can get stuff quicker. So there's that.
Well, that article points out that given true accident data self-driving cars have fewer accidents. I don't think anyone thinks a world with autonomous cars is closer than 10 years. It's probably 15-20 before they are widespread, but they are coming and the net effect will be more affordable and safer transportation.
'numerous accidents'?? I know of one last summer in Florida. "Numerous" accidents happen every day in every city by human drivers. 93% of all accidents are caused by human error. The NHTSA also disagrees. http://fortune.com/2017/01/19/teslas-autopilot-tech-safer-nhtsa-report/
I heard of one in Florida and one in California where the lady driving set the coordinates wrong. From everything I have read the testing has gone very well.
Model S just set record yesterday 0-60 in 2.27 seconds. That's > 1.0 G of acceleration. Hardware 2.0 started October 2016. The software is just rolling out. Updates to their neural network are released to the fleet over-the-air and usually occur every 2-6 weeks. The neural network 'learns' quickly and noticeably every update. Hardware 1.0 only had one camera. HW 2.0 has 8 cameras and a computer 40 times faster. HW 1.0 used MobilEye video processor. HW 2.0 uses NVIDIA. In 3-6 months, Tesla expects to fully autonomous. It's coming fast. Legal issues may be another issue but it will be better than the average driver soon.
Big rigs will probably use batteries with solar for trickle charge. They offer plenty of storage for batteries and space for solar panels. The torque from an electric motor is unbelievable. Model S weighs 4700 pounds and accelerates faster than a motorcycle with one gear (no transmission). They also recharge the batteries with regenerative breaking. I can't imagine the kinetic energy produced (and currently wasted) by a big rig. The current superchargers can add 300 mph to your battery at 90,000 watts. They expect faster superchargers at >300,000 watts soon.
Big rigs will probably use batteries with solar for trickle charge. They offer plenty of storage for batteries and space for solar panels. The torque from an electric motor is unbelievable. Model S weighs 4700 pounds and accelerates faster than a motorcycle with one gear (no transmission). They also recharge the batteries with regenerative breaking. I can't imagine the kinetic energy produced (and currently wasted) by a big rig. The current superchargers can add 300 mph to your battery at 90,000 watts. They expect faster superchargers at >300,000 watts soon.
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Great info thanks. I'm shopping for a Model S now. When a new HW update comes out, are all models updated?
For instance, would a 2015 have the NVIDIA system?
All pre-Oct. 2016 cars get software updates for 1.0. Post-Oct. 2016 cars get 2.0 updates. The hardware can't be changed or upgraded.
That's what I thought, thanks. I see a lot of 2015's coming on the market so figured that must be the case. Any idea how they are on maintenance?
Last time I was in one, it took me from one side of Atlanta to the other (285) without touching the wheel or pedals.
There is an S scheduled to leave LA and park at Times Square unmanned in a couple months.
There is an S scheduled to leave LA and park at Times Square unmanned in a couple months.
My understanding is there is basically $0 maintenance. New Model S's (except the 60s) have basically an unlimited warranty at least on the battery pack and drive train. The 60's is like 8 years 150,000.
Model iii should start rolling out this year. Starts around $35K, but like end up around $50-60K for a loaded one. I know Musk said recently the P100 battery pack wouldn't be available in the Modle iii.
Model iii should start rolling out this year. Starts around $35K, but like end up around $50-60K for a loaded one. I know Musk said recently the P100 battery pack wouldn't be available in the Modle iii.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robots-taking-jobs-europeans-mull-free-money-for-all/
Here is what will happen in the future. The way I look at it is, it will free humans up to do more important tasks like engineering, computer programming, etc. I would love to have a robot that could take care of my house while I was gone to work. It would free my time up to spend quality time with kids. Of course you will always have those that will find a way to abuse the system and be a total drag on the country. That's going to happen no matter what.
Here is what will happen in the future. The way I look at it is, it will free humans up to do more important tasks like engineering, computer programming, etc. I would love to have a robot that could take care of my house while I was gone to work. It would free my time up to spend quality time with kids. Of course you will always have those that will find a way to abuse the system and be a total drag on the country. That's going to happen no matter what.
Automation and machines create jobs. They create better jobs actually. You can always go join the amish if you wanna pull a plow by yourself instead of using a tractor.
I've been told by someone who's read much more on it that they'll be even safer once self-driving cars are more uniform because the AI's will be able to 'talk' to each other and prepare accordingly for accidents and unexpected stops.
I like driving but nothing is more unsettling than seeing some of these 'drivers' on the road these days, texting, eating, general lack of attentiveness. I would give up driving for automation if it meant I was statistically safer from other drivers, and I think most people would if the statistics were heavily tilted in that direction.
I like driving but nothing is more unsettling than seeing some of these 'drivers' on the road these days, texting, eating, general lack of attentiveness. I would give up driving for automation if it meant I was statistically safer from other drivers, and I think most people would if the statistics were heavily tilted in that direction.
Misc. thoughts: How will they be guided? The current GPS system we use is shot through with errors. I could write a book about the bad things GPS has done to me. Will they be hack proof? Can you imagine a few million cars and trucks in the US being hacked at the same time? It now takes me a couple of hours to get to New Orleans (for example.) That time will increase dramatically when my computer slows me down to 40 on I10. Supposedly some anticipated improvements call for cars to slow down when approaching an intersection so no body has to come to a complete stop. How long will it then take you to go from one end of town to the other? What if you don't know the exact address? Or just want to ride around? How will that be handled.
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
Someone will still be in the truck for the trip. Once on site they take control and back into the dock. At least that's the current direction.
New Orleans is supposed to get a show room / service center this year. Otherwise, you are looking at Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Tampa or Atlanta in the south. I'm sure there are more in Florida but just don't know which ones. They have 'rangers' that can come to you if you live too far away from a service center. They should have less maintenance than an internal combustion engine but they are not $0 maintenance. A friend of mine has had his 4 months and just spent $400 to repair damage to the battery coolant from a rock.
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Would a little research kill you?
There's been lots of quality information given in this thread and you act like you're in the dark. Comparing auto-driving cars to current GPS??? Lol relax, it's better than your google phone. They use cameras, sensors, gps, AI, mapping, etc....
You're worries are misguided due to your lack of information. Is this the first discussion you've ever had about self driving cars or is this the first time you've even heard of them? Sounds like it.
There's been lots of quality information given in this thread and you act like you're in the dark. Comparing auto-driving cars to current GPS??? Lol relax, it's better than your google phone. They use cameras, sensors, gps, AI, mapping, etc....
You're worries are misguided due to your lack of information. Is this the first discussion you've ever had about self driving cars or is this the first time you've even heard of them? Sounds like it.
- Trucking moves over 70% of all USA freight.
- There is today a shortage of 50,000 truck drivers.
- The average age of a trucker today is early 50s.
Self driving trucks are coming like a freight train (some of which are already semi-autonomous) and anyone who disagrees has their head in the sand.
- There is today a shortage of 50,000 truck drivers.
- The average age of a trucker today is early 50s.
Self driving trucks are coming like a freight train (some of which are already semi-autonomous) and anyone who disagrees has their head in the sand.
"Lots of accidents" is all relative I suppose, but when self driving is rolled
out, the number of accidents won't even be in the same neighborhood as current accidents.
You make it sound like there's going to be accidents everywhere and that's not the case. Idealist utopia lol. The technology has been tested for years and it'll be mainstream in 15 years probably and +1000% safer than regular human driven cars.
out, the number of accidents won't even be in the same neighborhood as current accidents.
You make it sound like there's going to be accidents everywhere and that's not the case. Idealist utopia lol. The technology has been tested for years and it'll be mainstream in 15 years probably and +1000% safer than regular human driven cars.
So if I make it to my 90's I will still be able to own a car and get around by myself. Cool. Will the damn thing be able to help me out of the car so I can go into the grocery store in my automatic wheelchair? Maybe they will have personalized robots by then that will go into the store to do my shopping. Hell.....the robot can go alone in the car and do all my shopping w/o me getting out of the house. Nice.
I am sure it is coming, but I would miss driving if unable to drive my own car. I have owned a couple of fairly high performance cars and truly enjoy the experience. Plus driving on a long road trip is fun to me.
You couldn't be any further from the facts. You live under a rock if you think it will create more jobs. Yea there may be better jobs but overall humans will be replaced.
"There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation," says Musk to CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."
“By 2021 a disruptive tidal wave will begin. Solutions powered by AI/cognitive technology will displace jobs, with the biggest impact felt in transportation, logistics, customer service and consumer services,” said Forrester’s Brian Hopkins in the report.
By 2021, robots will have eliminated 6% of all jobs in the US, starting with customer service representatives and eventually truck and taxi drivers. That’s just one cheery takeaway from a report released by market research company Forrester this week.
Robots will have taken over most jobs within 30 years leaving humanity facing its 'biggest challenge ever' to find meaning in life when work is no longer necessary, according to experts.
Professor Moshe Vardi, of Rice University, in the US, claims that many middle-class professionals will be outsources to machines within the next few decades leaving workers with more leisure time than they have ever experienced.
Boston Consulting Group predicts that by 2025, up to a quarter of jobs will be replaced by either smart software or robots, while a study from Oxford University has suggested that 35% of existing UK jobs are at risk of automation in the next 20 years.
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I totally agree with you on missing driving (sometimes). However, there were 38,000 deaths in auto accidents in 2015. If automated cars even reduced that by 1/3 - a very conservative estimate - it would be morally reprehensible to not go that route if available.
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