OT: school shootings

[mount lefroy]

Just saw a video and it occurred to me that each classroom should have a door that only opens inwardly. The door should have an upward hook on each side and a steel bar that can be placed in it to blockade the door.

Walls against the hall wall should be reinforced steel on the bottom three feet so kids can crouch down against it.

Won’t prevent all kids from being shot, but would reduce targets.

Just a thought. Video was on reddit. Pretty scary.

 

[ShrubDog]

OR how about stopping a shooter before he enters the school with armed guards and screening at the main points of entry at every school.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

https://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-...mazingly-simple-device-to-stop-school-gunmen/

 

[mount lefroy]

OR how about stopping a shooter before he enters the school with armed guards and screening at the main points of entry at every school.

Sorry.....should have said “assuming shooter gets past Barney and Gomer....”

 

[skydawg1]

They just need to post "Gun Free Zone" signs on the premises. That should stop them. *****************

 

[Lettucexxxx]

With all do respect to free speech, and this is just my opinion but... we made it all day here without discussing it. I love this place and use it to get away. It's terrible. Just anywhere but here.

 

[civildawg88]

Might as well go ahead and lock this thread because we know what it’s going to turn in to

 

[mount lefroy]

With all do respect to free speech, and this is just my opinion but... we made it all day here without discussing it. I love this place and use it to get away. It's terrible. Just anywhere but here.

Not about politics at all. It’s about what would best practice to prevent casualties.

 

[coach66]

Tough deal but two things we should do. First

Evaluate the mental health of kids and if they are borderline put them somewhere out of harms way. Second, arm all schools to the hilt, every teacher has a gun and damn sure knows how to use it. I know these are radical statements but these are radical times.

 

[LawDawg97]

Most of us know that

Not about politics at all. It’s about what would best practice to prevent casualties.

best practice to prevent casualties like these involves politics. Not which way a door should swing. So might as well lock it.

 

[mount lefroy]

Evaluate the mental health of kids and if they are borderline put them somewhere out of harms way. Second, arm all schools to the hilt, every teacher has a gun and damn sure knows how to use it. I know these are radical statements but these are radical times.

Who’s gonna decide which kids are borderline?

 

[mount lefroy]

best practice to prevent casualties like these involves politics. Not which way a door should swing. So might as well lock it.

So my idea about the door wouldn’t work and to add to it MUST involve politics?

Please help me understand your point.

 

[FlotownDawg]

Or we could just ban semi automatic weapons. No reason why anyone other than military or police should have possession of an AR-15 or something similar. Hard to do a mass shooting with a pistol or hunting rifle. And before anyone says “but the bad guys will still get them” I believe most, of not all, the mass shootings with semi automatic weapons, the weapons were purchased legally.

 

[AlSwearengen]

Or we could just ban semi automatic weapons. No reason why anyone other than military or police should have possession of an AR-15 or something similar. Hard to do a mass shooting with a pistol or hunting rifle. And before anyone says “but the bad guys will still get them” I believe most, of not all, the mass shootings with semi automatic weapons, the weapons were purchased legally.

Maybe just keep liberals from having guns. I haven’t seen many conservatives shooting up crowds.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

It’s a sad state of affairs. But it’s getting more evident that there is going to have to be some kind of controlled access to the interior of the school. Any courtyard areas and open areas are going to have to be blocked off from outside entrance. No ability to walk up from outside the grounds.

there needs to be one way into the school grounds for visitors and that is controlled. An unlocked outside door with a small area and then an interior door that is locked. All exterior doors should be strong enough to not be able to be easily breached by anyone not allowed to enter.

It’s going to have to go to a TSA style sterile-non sterile type of environment. Just without the searches of every person.

The popular political thing is “gun control!”. Sorry. Won’t work. It’s reality. If you ban the sale of semi automatic armilite rifles tomorrow.. there are hundreds of thousands out there now. Same for the mags. And then a week later an ******* can walk in and do the exact same amount of carnage with a Glock 19 and multiple mags. There is no arguing that.

 

[mount lefroy]

Or we could just ban semi automatic weapons. No reason why anyone other than military or police should have possession of an AR-15 or something similar. Hard to do a mass shooting with a pistol or hunting rifle. And before anyone says “but the bad guys will still get them” I believe most, of not all, the mass shootings with semi automatic weapons, the weapons were purchased legally.

And while I agree, that’s not what the discussion is about. Every good military unit has an effective defense under fire. As the parent of 2 high schoolers, I’ve instructed them on what to do. I just think that casualties can be minimized through using variations of defensive bunkers and saferooms. Reality is a weapon can be made easily, but all students should have training on what to do and teachers should have tools to defend without returning fire.

 

[JungRebel]

This thread is doomed.

 

[JungRebel]

DOOMED!

 

[Fogdog]

Worst idea EVER....

"Every teacher has a gun"...right. Jesus...slow down and take a minute to think.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Hard to do a mass shooting with a pistol.

It’s actually not. Handguns are used more often in “mass shootings” than rifles.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Despite what either side says, there is not a simple answer. There will have to be some give and take on both sides.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

So, your answer is MORE guns?

The NRA would like to make a generous contrubution to your campaign.

 

[mount lefroy]

This thread is doomed.

Shouldn’t be. It isn’t about policy. It’s about limiting access to targets.

 

[She Mate Me]

Can't wait to pop in here about noon tomorrow to talk about the ladies game and see this thread spanning the entire front page.

 

[mstateglfr]

Evaluate the mental health of kids and if they are borderline put them somewhere out of harms way. Second, arm all schools to the hilt, every teacher has a gun and damn sure knows how to use it. I know these are radical statements but these are radical times.

Yeah, just make handgun training- safety and use- part of an undergrad for teaching. Just require certification to teach.

Good luck with that- it isnt at all over the top.***


My sister is a teacher, is married to a cop, and has a dozen + rifles and whatnot in her home. Even given her husband's profession and their homelife situation, she has 0 interest in guns and sure as 17 doesn't want to carry at work.
I know this because she has said so, while laughing at the absurdity of it. I know her co-workers as my kids go to the school and i wouldbt want more than maybe a few people there to carry.
Why the 17 would some 60yo career long teacher want to have a loaded gun in their classroom?

 

[BossDawg78]

With all do respect to free speech, and this is just my opinion but... we made it all day here without discussing it. I love this place and use it to get away. It's terrible. Just anywhere but here.

For real. I was hoping this wasn't gonna pop up here, because this has quite literally been the only place/website I've been to today where nobody was flinging **** at each other about it.

 

[mstateglfr]

Same ****, new day. Families are destroyed and life is wasted due to some unstable/angry dbag not valuing how precious life really is.

Kids man- they can be savages to one another. Not an excuse, but it sure as 17 doesnt help things. All the bullying campaigns in the world cant stop the **** that happens in halls/locker rooms/cafeterias/busses..abd now on social media.
Damn shame

 

[DAWG61]

It’s a sad state of affairs. But it’s getting more evident that there is going to have to be some kind of controlled access to the interior of the school. Any courtyard areas and open areas are going to have to be blocked off from outside entrance. No ability to walk up from outside the grounds.

there needs to be one way into the school grounds for visitors and that is controlled. An unlocked outside door with a small area and then an interior door that is locked. All exterior doors should be strong enough to not be able to be easily breached by anyone not allowed to enter.

It’s going to have to go to a TSA style sterile-non sterile type of environment. Just without the searches of every person.

The popular political thing is “gun control!”. Sorry. Won’t work. It’s reality. If you ban the sale of semi automatic armilite rifles tomorrow.. there are hundreds of thousands out there now. Same for the mags. And then a week later an ******* can walk in and do the exact same amount of carnage with a Glock 19 and multiple mags. There is no arguing that.

You should have said make every school like the house in the movie "Up". Better odds of that happening

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

I have never seen it brought up before, but for about $175-$200 per month per child, you can have a ratio of 30-1 students to police. Allotting $55-65k per year for a 180 day work year, I am sure police, prior military, will be fighting to get that job.

The school in Florida had 2 police (resource officers I am sure) for 3000 students. I have a feeling that if there were 100 highly trained sworn officers on campus it would have been much less tragic.

I know how we all feel about taxes, but **** we are wasting it somewhere else, let's protect the kids as well as we protect our courthouses.