OT: Sam Huff passed away.

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Giant middle linebacker from the 50' & 60's, after that with Washington for a few years. Was a hero in NYC. He was good but I thought not as good as billed. Remember him often coming late to the party & piling on. Be that as it may, RIP Sam.
 
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Giant middle linebacker from the 50' & 60's, after that with Washington for a few years. Was a hero in NYC. He was good but I thought not as good as billed. Remember him often coming late to the party & piling on. Be that as it may, RIP Sam.
Guy dies and you post he wasn't good. What kind of A-hole are you?? What is the point of posting this??
 

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Giant middle linebacker from the 50' & 60's, after that with Washington for a few years. Was a hero in NYC. He was good but I thought not as good as billed. Remember him often coming late to the party & piling on. Be that as it may, RIP Sam.
Grew up with a lot of old timer Giants fans (they were a generation before me) that actually watched Huff play. They all were respectful of his play. Don't recall issues about whether he was overrated. Regardless, may he rest in peace.
 

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Damn. RIP.

He was a great broadcaster for the Redskins in the seventies and eighties and into the nineties, during all the glory years of the Hogs. He and Sonny Jurgensen were hilarious; Frank Herzog was there in the booth to settle them down and tell us what was going on.

Rip, Sam...
 
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I got tired of media always equating him with Lawrence Taylor
Nobody was like Lawrence Taylor
Only player I ever saw where OLs, RBs, QBs - the whole offense - was scared of him and jumping off-sides in panic
 

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I got tired of media always equating him with Lawrence Taylor
Nobody was like Lawrence Taylor
Only player I ever saw where OLs, RBs, QBs - the whole offense - was scared of him and jumping off-sides in panic
I’ve never heard him equated to Lawrence Taylor, other than to acknowledge they’re both Hall Of Fame worthy NY Giant linebackers.
You too are a Jack-*** for your ridiculous observation that never takes place
LT couldn’t play middle linebacker the way SH did.
 
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ashokan

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I’ve never heard him equated to Lawrence Taylor, other than to acknowledge they’re both Hall Of Fame worthy NY Giant linebackers.
You too are a Jack-*** for your ridiculous observation that never takes place
LT couldn’t play middle linebacker the way SH did.

Sorry that's my story and I'm sticking.

Huff was equated all the time with Taylor. Tom Landry's 4-3 defense was one of the first more sophisticated defenses that kept blockers off Huff and let him play as a rover - used as a way to stop Jim Brown. LT was used in somewhat similar way. That's where comparisons stopped

I'll still listen to you on baseball
 

zappaa

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Sorry that's my story and I'm sticking.

Huff was equated all the time with Taylor. Tom Landry's 4-3 defense was one of the first more sophisticated defenses that kept blockers off Huff and let him play as a rover - used as a way to stop Jim Brown. LT was used in somewhat similar way. That's where comparisons stopped

I'll still listen to you on baseball
Sam Huff never lined up outside a tackle in his life, SH’s job was run stopper.
LT’s job was not run game stopper, that was the job of Harry, LT’s job was sac the QB.
Not remotely similar in any way
 

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I don't remember LT ever being compared to Sam Huff(plus I didn't know who Sam Huff was) but I know there was only one LT. Most dominate player that I ever saw line up on defense.
 

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I’ve never heard him equated to Lawrence Taylor, other than to acknowledge they’re both Hall Of Fame worthy NY Giant linebackers.
You too are a Jack-*** for your ridiculous observation that never takes place
LT couldn’t play middle linebacker the way SH did.

NEVER heard that. Closest was someone talking about great NYG linebackers and Huff and LT were included, along with Carson. NEVER a direct comparison. And given that Huff played MLB and LT outside someone would have to be brain dead to make a direct 1 on 1 comparison.
 

zappaa

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Many of us watched basically every game LT ever played.
Not once did I hear an analyst or color man equate or compare him to Sam Huff, and somehow ashoken is tired of it…lol
The only comparison is the two are worthy NY Giant hall of famers.
Sam knocked Jim Taylor’s teeth out.
 

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As I said Huff was good, but thought that contemporary middle LB's Joe Schmidt of the Lions, Chuck Bednerik of the Eagles, & Ray Nitschke of the Packers were better. Obviously matter of opinion.
 
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As I said Huff was good, but thought that contemporary middle LB's Joe Schmidt of the Lions, Chuck Bednerik of the Eagles, & Ray Nitschke of the Packers were better. Obviously matter of opinion.
I think what helped Sam were two things:

- where he played
- along with his skills he was also a personality
 

ashokan

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Sam Huff never lined up outside a tackle in his life, SH’s job was run stopper.
LT’s job was not run game stopper, that was the job of Harry, LT’s job was sac the QB.
Not remotely similar in any way

The game was different in 80s in that passing rules were changed and QB and passing became more dominant. LT was in a 3-4 and not a 4-3. But the similarity was in that both players had defenses specifically designed around them to increase freedom and mobility. Parcells would give LT freedom to line-up as his instincts allowed (including dropping back in passing defense). Lots of times Carson didn't need to make a tackle in the middle because LT had already crashed around end and tackled RB before he got to Carson. Of course another similarity was that Huff was considered a star of the defense and was on Newsweek cover.. The comparison were begging to be made, and often Huff himself was being interviewed about Taylor. Huff was a great player in his day but to me most LBs from that era look like slow bar bouncers

Lawrence Taylor Highlights - Run Defense​

 
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ashokan

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Many of us watched basically every game LT ever played.
Not once did I hear an analyst or color man equate or compare him to Sam Huff, and somehow ashoken is tired of it…lol
The only comparison is the two are worthy NY Giant hall of famers.
Sam knocked Jim Taylor’s teeth out.


...and Taylor snapped Theismann's leg in half. Doesn't mean either was great because of that.

As I said earlier nobody put fear in offenses like LT. Belichick mentions that all the time:

“Taylor had the ability, when he stood on the end of the line of scrimmage, which is where he played as an outside linebacker/defensive end, he could just tell, it didn’t matter who the person was, or what the play was, or anything else, he could just tell by the look of the opponent on the other side of the line of scrimmage who was going to block him, and that was by how scared they were.”

Belichick said Taylor knew offensive linemen feared his ability to get past him and could read that as the lineman got into his stance.

“When that tackle was looking at him like, ‘If I’m one split-second late out of my stance, if I am a few inches off on my angle or step, this guy’s going to be behind me.’ They’d have that scared to death look. And Taylor could just tell by looking at the guy whether the guy was blocking him or not,”

 

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Sam Huff was one of the all time greats and if he is compared to anyone, it should be someone who played the same position. Middle Linebacker was the position Sam Huff played
Taylor was an outside linebacker.
 
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As I said Huff was good, but thought that contemporary middle LB's Joe Schmidt of the Lions, Chuck Bednerik of the Eagles, & Ray Nitschke of the Packers were better. Obviously matter of opinion.
Schmidt, Bednarik and Nitschke are all in the Hall with Sam. They're all in pretty good company with each other, at the very least. Wow, showing my age here! Schmidt was actually my favorite, he played for my Lions. Boy, can I pick heartbreak teams, or what lol! RIP Sam. Toughest linebacker I think I ever saw, when I was old enough to know what I as watching to a degree, was Butkus. But, his knees gave out on him pretty early.
 

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The game was different in 80s in that passing rules were changed and QB and passing became more dominant. LT was in a 3-4 and not a 4-3. But the similarity was in that both players had defenses specifically designed around them to increase freedom and mobility. Parcells would give LT freedom to line-up as his instincts allowed (including dropping back in passing defense). Lots of times Carson didn't need to make a tackle in the middle because LT had already crashed around end and tackled RB before he got to Carson. Of course another similarity was that Huff was considered a star of the defense and was on Newsweek cover.. The comparison were begging to be made, and often Huff himself was being interviewed about Taylor. Huff was a great player in his day but to me most LBs from that era look like slow bar bouncers

Lawrence Taylor Highlights - Run Defense​


minor correction: it was the Time magazine cover. It was 1959, when Time was still the most prestigious newsweekly. http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19591130,00.html
 

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Schmidt, Bednarik and Nitschke are all in the Hall with Sam. They're all in pretty good company with each other, at the very least. Wow, showing my age here! Schmidt was actually my favorite, he played for my Lions. Boy, can I pick heartbreak teams, or what lol! RIP Sam. Toughest linebacker I think I ever saw, when I was old enough to know what I as watching to a degree, was Butkus. But, his knees gave out on him pretty early.
Lion's were no pushovers back then. Schmidt, Alex Karras, Dick "Night Train" Lane, Dick LeBeau, & of course Bobby Lane among others.
 
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Lion's were no pushovers back then. Schmidt, Alex Karras, Dick "Night Train" Lane, Dick LeBeau, & of course Bobby Lane among others.
Thanks, rudad. Ah, yes, my Lions! Believe it or not, the first "date" I ever went on, I took some unfortunate girl to see "Paper Lion" lol. Needless to say, there was no second date! Alex Karras is perhaps, my favorite player of all time...really a great player. And, he was the author of one of the great lines in the history on MNF..."And, there's Otis Sistrunk from the University of Mars"! Alex finally threw in the towel, I think when the Lions finally made the playoffs one year... and lost to the Cowboys, 5-0 (yes, that's right, 5-0!). Adopted the Lions, the Cubs and Rutgers as my teams as a kid. Not a lot of celebrations there...but I love(d) them all.
 

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Thanks, rudad. Ah, yes, my Lions! Believe it or not, the first "date" I ever went on, I took some unfortunate girl to see "Paper Lion" lol. Needless to say, there was no second date! Alex Karras is perhaps, my favorite player of all time...really a great player. And, he was the author of one of the great lines in the history on MNF..."And, there's Otis Sistrunk from the University of Mars"! Alex finally threw in the towel, I think when the Lions finally made the playoffs one year... and lost to the Cowboys, 5-0 (yes, that's right, 5-0!). Adopted the Lions, the Cubs and Rutgers as my teams as a kid. Not a lot of celebrations there...but I love(d) them all.
You are welcome runru. Karras had a TV career as well, as I'm sure you remember. Night Train Lane was one of the all time greats IMO.