OT. Rifle scopes.

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

To each their own, bottom line is use what your comfortable with. I wasn't talking about the crossfire series, which I believe is an entry level item. I mentioned the Strike Eagle which is a few hundred more and better quality.

I like the Viper series as a mid-point range. Their BDC capability is amazing with the computer set-up. Just punch in your ammo, weight, and elevation. Dope charts with almost no extra effort of burning through expensive ammo.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I’m going to guess that his rifle is of the semi auto variety and not an assault rifle..

His ignorance continues to show time and again. But it's not his fault, his hysteria has been programmed.

 

[husker lawdog]

I like the Viper series as a mid-point range. Their BDC capability is amazing with the computer set-up. Just punch in your ammo, weight, and elevation. Dope charts with almost no extra effort of burning through expensive ammo.

That is a really nice scope.I run the Strike Eagle on my personal M4 and an AimPoint Pro red dot on the duty rifle

 

[barney44]

That is a really nice scope.I run the Strike Eagle on my personal M4 and an AimPoint Pro red dot on the duty rifle

Have the comp m4 and love that thing..

 

[husker lawdog]

Have the comp m4 and love that thing..

For home defense, its hard to beat a red dot, Don't know why I didnt mention that to dragon earlier, lol

 

[bigboxes]

So, what did I miss? Made dinner and watched Thor with the missus. Come back and I don't see any offending posts.

 

[bigboxes]

One more thing. This thread is of high interest to me. One of my next projects is to get a scope for my AR15. Mine was cheap, but came stripped.

 

[otismotis08]

I thought about getting an AK-47 scope, but have found that I really enjoy the good old-fashioned iron sights. Incredibly accurate.

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

So many people with guns. I feel like I could outshoot most of them on the range. Nevertheless, what is your end goal. To fire a few shots before the federalies roll in with tanks, airplanes, and yes, even bigger guns than yours?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

So many people with guns. I feel like I could outshoot most of them on the range. Nevertheless, what is your end goal. To fire a few shots before the federalies roll in with tanks, airplanes, and yes, even bigger guns than yours?

Yes. Can't possibly be anything else.

 

[barney44]

So many people with guns. I feel like I could outshoot most of them on the range. Nevertheless, what is your end goal.

To die in my bed at an old age as a happy gun toting enthusiast..

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

To die in my bed at an old age as a happy gun toting enthusiast..

You forgot redneck, and any other label the hysterical, programmed fascists prefer. I just hope my guns don't take off on any shooting sprees when I die. It's all I can do to keep them from running off at random times.

 

[BigB87]

For a do-it-all scope that could be pressed into home defense, I'd go with something 1-4/1-6/1-8 or 2-7/2-8 depending on how much magnification you want on the high end and how much you want to spend. When my AR was a "do it all" build I had a Mueller Multishot 2-7x32 and liked it. Still have the scope, actually, switched it out when I set the rifle up for coyote hunting with a 4.5-18 scope. If you wanted to see if you liked a 2-7 scope without spending much, I could let go of it for cheap.

As far as brand, I'd look at Vortex, Bushnell, Weaver, Nikon, and Leupold. The "American Made" thing is hard to define, as most all scopes have at least some foreign parts and it can be hard to nail down where they are actually made. If you aren't as hardcore on the US thing, Primary Arms makes some great scope for a reasonable price as does Mueller, but both are made in China so there is that.

 

[barney44]

You forgot redneck, and any other label the hysterical, programmed fascists prefer. I just hope my guns don't take off on any shooting sprees when I die. It's all I can do to keep them from running off at random times.

Maybe we’ll all get lucky and they’ll just decide to go to the range together so he can outshoot them.

I wonder what he prefers to do in his free time..

 

[HuskerHusaria]

Sorry to change topics here, but I've been wanting to get an AR for a while now. I have no knowledge on them, nor brands and or if they should be custom built.

Looking for opinions, anything is appreciated!

 

[Huskerfan2112]

So many people with guns. I feel like I could outshoot most of them on the range. Nevertheless, what is your end goal. To fire a few shots before the federalies roll in with tanks, airplanes, and yes, even bigger guns than yours?

My end goal? I like to shoot. Some people like cars. Some like boats. To each their own. I like to shoot. I find it relaxing because it forces me to focus on the target. Vilify me if you must. Im just a guy who enjoys shooting my rifle. Its my hobby and it hurts no one

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Sorry to change topics here, but I've been wanting to get an AR for a while now. I have no knowledge on them, nor brands and or if they should be custom built.

Looking for opinions, anything is appreciated!

Build! It's fun, and you will learn a lot. Start with a quality lower, pick out a trigger and barrel you prefer, and go from there.

And one more thing. Make sure you get it in the scary Black color. They are easy to convert to fully automatic so you can "assault" things easier

 

[Huskerfan2112]

Sorry to change topics here, but I've been wanting to get an AR for a while now. I have no knowledge on them, nor brands and or if they should be custom built.

Looking for opinions, anything is appreciated!

Most would tell you to build your own. You can save money, get exactly what you want, and learn how they work.

Brands? Depends on your budget. Daniel Defense makes a great product but its pricey. Sigs are a good mid range. Windham Weaponry mid to low. You can get a DPMS for 399 at DE guns in lincoln. People say those are crap but ive got a friend who was an armorer for 16 years in the army. Thats what he uses and he swears by it. He outshoots the guys at the range who have 3 grand put in theirs

Just find what you like. That whats matters

 

[HuskerHusaria]

Build! It's fun, and you will learn a lot.

I keep hearing that! I'm starting to think it's the way to go! But, as far as that goes, a friend or 2 has suggested some sites.

Like I said. I know zip about ARs. But, I'm curious if they have any ability to be useful for anything other than home safety?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I keep hearing that! I'm starting to think it's the way to go! But, as far as that goes, a friend or 2 has suggested some sites.

Like I said. I know zip about ARs. But, I'm curious if they have any ability to be useful for anything other than home safety?

Last gun I would grab for "home safety" is a rifle, but to each their own. I have a little Kimber 6s that I blindly shoot at shadows in my house (always hoping it's an intruder and not a family member). It stays in a hand safe with a XDM 40 in the closet next to the bed. Of course this safe is always unlocked just in case my kids want to look at/show friends/play with those guns. The big safes downstairs stay open so the guns don't feel too claustrophobic.

 

[barney44]

Last gun I would grab for "home safety" is a rifle, but to each their own. I have a little Kimber 6s that I blindly shoot at shadows in my house (always hoping it's an intruder and not a family member). It stays in a hand safe with a XDM 40 in the closet next to the bed. Of course this safe is always unlocked just in case my kids want to look at/show friends/play with those guns. The big safes downstairs stay open so the guns don't feel too claustrophobic.

This freaking post deserves to be framed..

 

[barney44]

As I like to say when people ask me about an AR, it’s like a lego set for gun enthusiasts..

 

[barney44]

Most would tell you to build your own. You can save money, get exactly what you want, and learn how they work.

Brands? Depends on your budget. Daniel Defense makes a great product but its pricey. Sigs are a good mid range. Windham Weaponry mid to low. You can get a DPMS for 399 at DE guns in lincoln. People say those are crap but ive got a friend who was an armorer for 16 years in the army. Thats what he uses and he swears by it. He outshoots the guys at the range who have 3 grand put in theirs

Just find what you like. That whats matters

Love DD but those things are built and it sort of takes away the fun...

 

[barney44]

I keep hearing that! I'm starting to think it's the way to go! But, as far as that goes, a friend or 2 has suggested some sites.

Like I said. I know zip about ARs. But, I'm curious if they have any ability to be useful for anything other than home safety?

The military uses them (the select fire versions), it’s very popular with the coyote or boar hunters, has shooting clubs dedicated to them, etc. They're probably one of the least likely guns tobe used in a home defense scenerio.

 

[BigB87]

Sorry to change topics here, but I've been wanting to get an AR for a while now. I have no knowledge on them, nor brands and or if they should be custom built.

Looking for opinions, anything is appreciated!

If you just want a beginner rifle to get your feet wet and not spend too much, I'd recommend a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport or Ruger AR556. Both are good basic ARs that will meet the needs of 90% of owners.

If you want step it up and go "mil spec" or better in a premade rifle, I'd look at a Colt, Daniel Defense, Windham Weaponry, BCM, or Aero Precision.

If you want to tweak it a bit yourself without building from scratch, I'd look at buying a complete upper and complete lower from Palmetto State Armory. That is what I did personally, and then tweaked a few things to get it exactly how I wanted it. They have some of the best prices for the quality in the AR Market. I'd add Aero Precision for complete uppers and lowers, but they're quite a bit more expensive.

One thing I will be slightly snobbish about though, when looking at uppers make sure the barrel is either chrome plated, melonite treated, or stainless steel. With the prices today, there's no reason to have an untreated barrel IMO.

Don't let anyone tell you you have to spend $800 or more to get a rifle worth owning (I spent less than $600 with my initial "build"). We're living in a good time to buy an AR and you can put together a good quality rifle for well under $800.

 

[BigB87]

They're probably one of the least likely guns tobe used in a home defense scenerio.

A few decades ago that might be true, but they have become much more popular for home defense. An AR properly set up is a great option for home defense. Now, that being said MINE is my last choice because it is set up for coyote hunting at a distance, not close quarters. My first choices are a CZ P07 which gets me to my Mossberg 500 in the closet, both of which are specifically set up for the purpose.

 

[barney44]

A few decades ago that might be true, but they have become much more popular for home defense. An AR properly set up is a great option for home defense. Now, that being said MINE is my last choice because it is set up for coyote hunting at a distance, not close quarters. My first choices are a CZ P07 which gets me to my Mossberg 500 in the closet, both of which are specifically set up for the purpose.

I’d have to assume that most AR owners own a pistol or revolver as well and would go for it first. That is the only reason I said it’s probably the least likely, not because it cant be setup to be a fantastic CQB firearm.

 

[GammaxuvirHusker]

Skip the scope and go with an Aimpoint Pro. If, as you mentioned, your intended use is for the range and home defense then a red dot Aimpoint Pro is what you need. The continuous use battery life of the Pro is about 3 years. This means you can leave it on and have it at the ready at all times. The last thing you want in a home defense situation is to be fumbling around with your optics, trying to get it to turn on.

I would only put a scope on my AR if I planned on using it regularly to shoot at distances of over 200 yards. A scope would be a hindrance in a home defense situation.

 

[BigB87]

I’d have to assume that most AR owners own a pistol or revolver as well and would go for it first. That is the only reason I said it’s probably the least likely, not because it cant be setup to be a fantastic CQB firearm.

That's fair. You'd be surprised how many has it as their #1 option, though. My handgun is only my #1 for two reasons: 1) Easier to get to my son's room to get him and 2) I can have it bedside.

 

[dragonraider1]

I’d have to assume that most AR owners own a pistol or revolver as well and would go for it first. That is the only reason I said it’s probably the least likely, not because it cant be setup to be a fantastic CQB firearm.

You are correct. The bedside arm is the first choice and usually deters most intruders on identification. If a situation develops beyond threat of an armed citizen, strategically located shotguns and rifles in the home might be the difference between death and legal issues.

 

[barney44]

I have a Steiner T5Xi 5-25x56mm SCR Reticle 34mm on my 338 Lapua...nothing better. Pick a tick off a rats nut a mile away.

What did that 338 run you?

 

[ztp0080_rivals]

I have had an AR platform with Magpul flip up sights on a quad Pictinny rail for a number of years. As I have gotten older with bifocals it is getting harder to focus the front sight and I am looking for a quality scope in the $ 2-500 range of American manufacture. It will be used primarily on the range and home defense. Any experience with all the choices available?

Home defense I would recommend a red dot. What is the max distance you would be shooting out on the range...

 

[bigboxes]

I went with the Vortex Spitfire 3X scope. It's compact and illuminates the reticle with either green or red with varying brightness. Or off. Probably mount it to the AR tomorrow evening.

 

[jolley]

I’m pretty stoked to know a person with bifocals has an AR-15. For home defense, nonetheless. You’re going to end up shooting one of your family members or a chair in the middle of the night.

He didn't say anything about home defense, unless I didn't catch it. If you actually thought about it, wouldn't a shotgun be better in a typical neighborhood?

If YOU are using an ar-15 with a scope for home defense, if you shoot it, you may be looking at a murder charge for someone a ways off you are shooting at or negligent homicide or manslaughter when the 5.56 round goes through the wall of the house next door and hits someone, theoretically, of course. Just wondering.

 

[BigB87]

or negligent homicide or manslaughter when the 5.56 round goes through the wall of the house next door and hits someone, theoretically, of course. Just wondering.

That is a risk no matter what firearm you use, and is actually less of a risk with .223/5.56 because it has a tendency to fragment when hitting building material.

 

[jolley]

Yes. Can't possibly be anything else.

no, the feds have too hard of a time showing up at the right place or finding their butts with both hands

 

[barney44]

If YOU are using an ar-15 with a scope for home defense, if you shoot it, you may be looking at a murder charge for someone a ways off you are shooting at or negligent homicide or manslaughter when the 5.56 round goes through the wall of the house next door and hits someone, theoretically, of course. Just wondering.

.223 hollow points and you wont have any more problems than the next firearm. If someone is using a 5.56 FMJ for home defense then they need to take a step back and examine their situation. I know I don't use any FMJ ammo unless it's intended for target/shooting purposes.

 

[jolley]

.223 hollow points and you wont have any more problems than the next firearm. If someone is using a 5.56 FMJ for home defense then they need to take a step back and examine their situation. I know I don't use any FMJ ammo unless it's intended for target/shooting purposes.

agree with those thoughts, but a vinyl sided house of older vintage, could the hollow point still penetrate through the wall intact enough to hurt someone?

 

[barney44]

agree with those thoughts, but a vinyl sided house of older vintage, could the hollow point still penetrate through the wall intact enough to hurt someone?

The .223 performs well against some of the common calibers out there. 9mm, .40, 45 can all exit a house and those rounds stay together better than a .223 which tends to fragment and split. I'd never say that a round wont penetrate the walls though.

 

[summersatthelake]

I wear bifocals and have tried several different optics on my sporting rifles and am pretty happy with optics I currently have. A compromise between range optics and home defense is a red dot with flip to side magnifier. I have a Vortex Sparc red dot and 3x flip to side magnifier on one of my DD's and this setup can be purchased for under $500.00. On another DD I have a Primary Arms 4x14 illuminated reticle scope and it is great for longer range but don't think it would be worth a spit for night time home defense unless you wanted to spray and pray. I also have a Sparc on my AK and they seem to hold up well.
I don't keep any of my sporting rifles handy for home defense and opt for a handgun instead.

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