In Florida are being added to the positive covid 19 numbers. So if you go get tested and are in no danger anymore of contracting or spreading it you are helping to propogate the myth. Imho you want to decrease the surge go back to testing only those that are showing symptoms.
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So if you get an antibody test cause you thought you may have already had say back in January before we knew what it was and your antibodies are testing positive...they are adding you to the daily positive count?
Yes at least in Florida. Helps to spread the second wave conquering red open states.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the test to see if you have it (presently) is different than the test to see if you have had it (in the past).
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the test to see if you have it (presently) is different than the test to see if you have had it (in the past).
may be the case, not what i have been told. i am in healthcare and clients Orlando health and Baycare are showing more hospitalizations in June than in the previous 3 months related to Covid. Those numbers are not tied to the antibody test.
Those are not in the press, but are coming from internal communications.
Those are not in the press, but are coming from internal communications.
Yes.
And for proper epidemiological study, the presence of antibody should be counted. That way we get a clearer picture of overall death rate, percentage of patients asymptomatic, etc.
I'm sure people following this for political reasons have opinions about that and that's fine.
Keep an eye on death rates and hospitalization rates to get a clear picture on severity of outbreaks.
And yet not even close to the overwhelming hospitalization that was projected. The science on this is paramount to that of global warming another left wing supported farce.
they prick your finger for antibody we tested entire drill site for antibodies
our positive antibody test is 2.8 % right now . That’s for my hospital system in Charlotte.
I feel like I had it back in January. Sickest I have ever been. Symptoms were comparable to COVID. Took me weeks to fully recover.
I could be totally wrong but in my mind, I believe I did.
Hard to say . So many other viruses can cause those symptoms . I was very sure my wife had it back then and we tested her for antibodies and she didn’t have them . I’m certain some of these antibody tests are not very good
I expect cases and hospitalizations and deaths to rise, the question is if it will “break the healthcare system”. It didn’t happen in NYC/NJ, despite what the media put out there. One hospital in Queens reached its breaking point, but overall the field hospitals that went up largely went unused. So I’m curious if that capacity will be tested in FL, TX and AZ.
Many are not, but several are good to very good. Which test platform does your hospital system use?
The IGG assay from Abbott .
My partner at work had a corona check finger prick one that his wife bought for her clinic. Not sure how accurate that one is but that’s The one I took 2 months ago .
Are you really asking THIS question with the OP ??
His answer will be ... Trump saves lives.
It was the wild west a couple of months ago with antibody tests and the false negative and false positive rates were about like going to an astrologist for a diagnosis.
It did not break the hospital but it did break the supply chains. Hospitals operate on a 30 day supply of PPE. That supply pre covid would only last a few days. Due to the increased need hospitals needed to search for new suppliers and vendors rerouted supplies to hotspots. That is the concern when it comes to hospitals. I live in NC which is also a hotspot and has had record hospitalizations the last 4 days. The impact of this is limited visitations in hospitals, potential shut down of elective surgeries (which is where hospitals make their money), and this is the real economic impact.
Hospitals across the country are furloughing staff, laying off staff including doctors. Surgeons across the country are still not operating at full capacity.
These are facts. As stated the OP was stating that antibody tests are being lumped into positive tests in FL. I would not know if that is the case, but I do not use the local news or national media as a guide to the impact of covid...I look at data such as Johns Hopkins.
In WV if we have 3 people test positive there is a news alert. The Governor still holds a daily new conference, Every radio show gives the Corona update for the day. If there is any positive move in numbers is called a spike and it is a warning that the world is near an end. Most of the cases they are uncovering are cases with no symptoms. My local news this morning on channel 12 in Clarksburg actually said it might be best for Fathers day to stay away from face to face visits with your father on Fathers day because of the huge spike in the virus. They suggested a Skype visit. sheesh....
If your hospital is about 2.8%...Thats about third of what health departments are telling us in North Carolina? Or what is being reported to news outlets as they are saying it’s almost 9% positive tests.
Blah blah blah. First overcapacity then ventilators now were down to a shortage of mask and gloves really
They have now had 3 months though, you don’t think any of these hospitals increased their PPE supply since March?
Not a medical guy, but an analytics guy.
X number of positive test means there are at least X people with Covid. Maybe a million more, maybe a thousand more, maybe just X--nobody knows. Not a valuable metric.
When somebody is hospitalized, we know the exact number of people hospitalized. Valuable metric.
When somebody dies from Covid (or related to Covid) we know exactly how many people died. Valuable metric.
Here's where I get political:
IMO the mainstream media wants things to look horrible long enough to get rid of Trump. If things go bad, they will report hospitalizations and deaths--they know these are the real metrics. If they DON'T have bad news on that front, they will trumpet New Cases, even though they know it's not a valuable metric.
Right now, they are mostly talking about New Cases, which is good. The hospitalization rate is going up in Florida, which is worrisome. Hopefully the big ship NYC didn't use is still available if things get worse.
You are spot on with your statement. I was an environmental health superintendent in the Air Force and part of my duties were in epidemiology and infection control. Worked with HIV/Aids positive military members establishing baselines, sources of infection, etc.
I do not wish to get into the politics of all this, but paying attention to the scientists and doctors will keep us much safer.
Why assume a female carrier? you are very sexist, homophobic and deplorable! (mostly tongue in cheek, humor) Between the virus/movement started but no longer about GFloyd, has been too politicized...of course, the whole country has been for well over 12 years.
I've stopped looking at the New Cases but focus only on the RED Column that is the Deaths. If I were under Fifty and Healthy I would give no attention to the Virus. However if I tested Positive I would quarintine.
Months ago an article talked about the 'excess death rate' but I haven't seen it talked much about since. That measure addresses the concerns so many people have with the legitimacy of death counts--about people dying 'with' covid vs. 'from' covid, etc. The excess death rate metric is agnostic to all of that. Because death rates are remarkably consistent year to year and even month to month, the overall 'excess' is the best possible measure of the pandemic's impact. And it would also capture the hard to measure side effects (consider the rare example of a cancer or stroke death that happened because the person couldn't get treatment in time due to covid delays). It would also capture net-positive effects--like fewer highway deaths due to fewer people traveling. I'd like to see how *excess deaths* are tracking over time.
I think another big difference now vs. March is people's general awareness and our better understanding of transmission. Even as states re-open, people are going to take precautions now that they would have never done in early March. Mask compliance is getting better, as people recognize it's about others more than protecting themselves. So I'm less inclined to worry about a massive 2nd wave. Unless of course, people start shedding masks in public indoor places or doing dumb things on purpose.
We also should definitely see some differences in how states reopen having an impact. People looking at "red" vs. "blue" are missing the point. Compare OH (very stable numbers with gradual re-opening) vs. FL (hospitalizations on the uptick).
I think another big difference now vs. March is people's general awareness and our better understanding of transmission. Even as states re-open, people are going to take precautions now that they would have never done in early March. Mask compliance is getting better, as people recognize it's about others more than protecting themselves. So I'm less inclined to worry about a massive 2nd wave. Unless of course, people start shedding masks in public indoor places or doing dumb things on purpose.
We also should definitely see some differences in how states reopen having an impact. People looking at "red" vs. "blue" are missing the point. Compare OH (very stable numbers with gradual re-opening) vs. FL (hospitalizations on the uptick).
I follow the excess deaths visualizations pretty closely, but several states are slower than damn snails in getting their death certificate filings to the CDC. The CDC tries to correct for this, and they do an OK job for the most part. Here's the most recent CDC chart for excess deaths nationally and they show it on a state by state basis as well here https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
The NY Times has their own as well here, though it's a little uneven in how recent the figures are (because of the slow state reporting, but I digress). https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html
I follow the excess deaths visualizations pretty closely, but several states are slower than damn snails in getting their death certificate filings to the CDC. The CDC tries to correct for this, and they do an OK job for the most part. Here's the most recent CDC chart for excess deaths nationally and they show it on a state by state basis as well here https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
The NY Times has their own as well here, though it's a little uneven in how recent the figures are (because of the slow state reporting, but I digress). https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html
That's a great presentation. Adding up all the excess (columns with the plus) my rough count comes to about 120k. If my math is right, that tracks pretty darn close with the number of covid-attributed deaths in the US to date. Do you subtract the mean or the upper-bound from the total death figure?
Excess deaths are running about 20-ish% higher than covid #s through the most complete reporting period available (late-May, I believe), so you're not far off. You subtract the observed number from the average (yellow line). A lot of covid deaths were missed early on in March and first-half of April because of the testing debacle, but things have evened out much more in the weeks since.