OT: pistol for wife

msudawg05

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Wife is wanting to get her first pistol. We looked at the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield M2.0 9mm and the Sig Sauer P238 .380. I have a Sig P229 9mm (which she has shot) and love it. Have never owned a S&W. Anyone have any experience with either of these or have another suggestion? She’s thinking along the lines of personal protection/concealed carry but doesn’t always carry a big purse so it’d probably be in her car half the time. Thanks in advance.

ETA: she wants something with a safety which the two I mentioned do have. I have a Ruger LCP .380 she could use, but it doesn’t have a safety.
 
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Drebin

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Wife is wanting to get her first pistol. We looked at the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield M2.0 9mm and the Sig Sauer P238 .380. I have a Sig P229 9mm (which she has shot) and love it. Have never owned a S&W. Anyone have any experience with either of these or have another suggestion? She’s thinking along the lines of personal protection/concealed carry but doesn’t always carry a big purse so it’d probably be in her car half the time. Thanks in advance.

No interest in a revolver? My wife has a Charter Arms hammerless .38 special. Small, easy to use, easy to load.
 

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Bought the wife M&P 380 shield Ez on Monday. Like the reviews for light kick and she liked the light weight and safety features. Haven't had a chance to shoot it or the S&W Governor that I bought for myself at the same time.
 

msudawg05

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Not anti revolver. Just didn’t look at them. I think she’s more comfortable with the others because she’s used to shooting mine. We’ll definitely check that out though. Thanks!
 

Dawgbite

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Bought the wife M&P 380 shield Ez on Monday. Like the reviews for light kick and she liked the light weight and safety features. Haven't had a chance to shoot it or the S&W Governor that I bought for myself at the same time.
This is the best answer you will get. I was skeptical of this gun until I had the opportunity to spend some time on the range with one. Excellent design and function for anyone who is unable to rack a slide or is unfamiliar with the function of an automatic. I was impressed and I'll admit that i'm not a S&W guy.
 

jethreauxdawg

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That p238 is sweet

my wife had a glock but never carried it because it was “too big and heavy”. Glock came out with one the same size as the p238 so I got that for her. she carries all the time now. But there is no safety. I’d go with that p238, sig is better than S&W. If the money isn’t an issue, get the sig. Their reliability testing is way more robust. I only went with glock because of price. I liked hers so much, I now carry the same thing.
 

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My mother has carried a .38 Lady Smith revolver for years with no problems, and like Drebin said - small, easy to load, easy to use, etc.

I have a Smith & Wesson PPK/S .380 for myself that I love. However you have to be a little rough with it putting one in the chamber or it'll jam on you, so I wouldn't recommend it for a lady. All that probably depends on your wife though.
 

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I like the .380 Shield EZ. Easy to rack and shoot. Downside is they are slightly larger than a .380 Bodyguard. I carry the bodyguard or a Shield .40. I don't like initial long pull of .380 Bodyguard.

For the wife the Shield EZ would be good for ease of use, but may be a tad large for a lesser purse. Yes, look at revolvers as well.
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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The Sig is a good one

Wife is wanting to get her first pistol. We looked at the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield M2.0 9mm and the Sig Sauer P238 .380. I have a Sig P229 9mm (which she has shot) and love it. Have never owned a S&W. Anyone have any experience with either of these or have another suggestion? She’s thinking along the lines of personal protection/concealed carry but doesn’t always carry a big purse so it’d probably be in her car half the time. Thanks in advance.

ETA: she wants something with a safety which the two I mentioned do have. I have a Ruger LCP .380 she could use, but it doesn’t have a safety.

My wife has the Sig 238. I have the 938.

She shot the little S&W 380 and hated it. I wasn’t very fond of it either and the trigger just felt all wrong. She shot the 238 and loved it. The only thing is to be comfortable with it staying “cocked and locked”
 

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I have a Ruger LCR 38 double action revolver (no hammer to cock - there is a 9MM version) and a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm

I had some experience with both. The revolver is so very simple to operate, no hammer to cock you just point and shoot, that's it. Loading is simple as well, just takes a little longer to go from unloaded to loaded. There are loading clips for revolvers that can speed that up too if that's a major concern.

To me, I would get a revolver for someone's first gun but that's my preference.

The most important thing with either one, is to get training, real training from a professional and then stay active with practice. These things are dangerous and treat them as such. Practice using them and if you ever need one then you won't have to think. I have never had professional training but my dad was an avid hunter, former military and police officer his whole life and trained me from birth and I still probably get professional training. You can never get enough training/practice with these things in my opinion.
 

Palmettodog

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I bought the wife one of these about a month ago and she loves it. She has probably run 200 rounds through it and the more she shoots it the more she likes it. I carry a Glock .40 cal but I'm thinking about buying one for myself in a 9mm. Additionally, I really like the Springfield Hellcat but the price is a bit more than the S&W.
 

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ETA: she wants something with a safety which the two I mentioned do have. I have a Ruger LCP .380 she could use, but it doesn’t have a safety.

Modern double action revolvers don't require a safety. The way they are built and work provides the benefit of a safety without the potential, when under the stress of an unexpected attack, of your wife forgetting to disengage the safety before firing.

When you really want that first round in particular to get out, revolvers rule, IMO. Less to do. Aim and pull the trigger. If there is a dud, no clearing the chamber...just pull the trigger again. Most attackers retreat after the first round is fired...not all, but most. If you pull the trigger on a dud in a semi-auto, and it takes you longer to attempt a 2nd shot, you're giving the attacker a much better chance to put lead on you first. Or if he's close (likely), a better chance to get to your wife before she can attempt that 2nd shot.

My 2 cents.
 

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I bought my wife the FNS9c with an Armalaser GTO-FLX laser sight. It has a strip that installs right where the grip meets the trigger guard. So she grabs the handle and the light comes on. Has a large capacity in a small gun. She works in Downtown Memphis and does not get to practice as much as she would like. So the easy point and shoot setup was critical for her. You can get it with a manual safety but on a striker fire gun I don't see it as necessary. Just another thing you need to be practiced on.
 

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No interest in a revolver? My wife has a Charter Arms hammerless .38 special. Small, easy to use, easy to load.

Concur completely, with a revolver you just point and pull the trigger, no operating the slide, jams. etc. Unless a person is very familiar, AND has a lot recent and ongoing experience with semi autos, (many wives/GFs/mothers/daughters don't fit these categories) a revolver is likely the best option, as it may be for someone with arthritis. If a handgun is needed in a life threatening situation, the shooter will be dealing with poor visibility, alarms, adrenaline, anxiety, possibly poor weather and general chaos, so keep the weapon as simple as possible.
 

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Maybe if you told us if she conforms to A,B,C,D or E? That way we’d know if she wants something smooth and sleek or more wild and wooly...
 

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Glock 19. Best selling pistol in America for a reason. I use the 17 due to my hand size. If you are in trouble you get one chance at this. Buy a Glock
 

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My wife started carrying a revolver 20 years ago. Shortly there after she bought a Sig 239 in 9mm and carried that until she shot a Ruger LCP. She had me pick one up and put a Crimson Trace on it and now carries it everywhere. She loves it.
 

SwampDawg

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Yes. Mine has a hammerless (no safety to worry about, just pull the trigger 9 times) Ruger in .22 long rifle hollowpoint (no recoil.) The salesman suggested .38 special and I replied "I'd rather she shoot at him with a .22 and hit him than with a .38 special and miss" It's up to the individual of course.
 

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I have both the Ruger LCP and LCR and I really like the revolver. Easy to load and shoot unlike the LCP which tends to jam sometimes. The LCR is a mag 22 and carries a good punch without much recoil.
 

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Yes. Mine has a hammerless (no safety to worry about, just pull the trigger 9 times) Ruger in .22 long rifle hollowpoint (no recoil.) The salesman suggested .38 special and I replied "I'd rather she shoot at him with a .22 and hit him than with a .38 special and miss" It's up to the individual of course.

I would have followed his suggestion. If you look at studies tracking the percentages of attackers incapacited by caliber, there is a HUGE dropoff below 38. One thorough study conducted over a 10-year period showed, among other things, attackers not incapacitated by the .22 was 31%. For the .38 special it drops to 17%. In other words, 31% of attackers against .22 were not stopped, whereas only 17% against the .38 special were not stopped.

FWIW, here are those results for other calibers:
.380 ACP - 16%
9mm - 13%
.357 - 9%
.40 - 13%
.45 ACP - 14%
.44 Magnum - 13% (author said this # is questionable due to not enough data/sample size)

His contention is anything from .38 up offers a significant step up in stopping ability.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
 
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Penndaddy

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my wife had a glock but never carried it because it was “too big and heavy”. Glock came out with one the same size as the p238 so I got that for her. she carries all the time now. But there is no safety. I’d go with that p238, sig is better than S&W. If the money isn’t an issue, get the sig. Their reliability testing is way more robust. I only went with glock because of price. I liked hers so much, I now carry the same thing.

Sigs reliability testing is way more robust than S&W? This is what’s wrong with the internet. I can assure you that is not true, and I can assure you that I have waaaaay more knowledge on this subject than you. If you like one brand over another, that’s fine, but you shouldn’t pass your opinions off as facts.
 

SwampDawg

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I completely understand the difference between .38 special and .22 long rifle stopping power, but that wasn't my point. My wife just cannot handle the .38 recoil. It's more a mental thing rather than physical, but the problem is still there. She just can't.
 

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You clearly don’t understand

Sigs reliability testing is way more robust than S&W? This is what’s wrong with the internet. I can assure you that is not true, and I can assure you that I have waaaaay more knowledge on this subject than you. If you like one brand over another, that’s fine, but you shouldn’t pass your opinions off as facts.

My internet badassery, but I’ll beat the ignorance out of you at South Farm**

I’m only going off word of mouth from my friend who retired from the armed forces and his experiences in Afghanistan. I personally have not done any reliability testing on anything other than a Glock. I apologize for not putting that disclaimer in my original reply to a post asking for opinions and therefore ruining the internet.

PSA: for all future gun questions, please PM penndaddy.

Also, thank you for enlightening us with the knowledge of your knowledge instead of just sharing your knowledge. We’re all better off now.**
 

aTotal360

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100% agree. Semi autos are too hard to operate for novice shooters. My wife has a Rossi .38 revolver. She can at least hit a pie plate at 5 feet with it. She's unable to do that with a semiauto. People would rather buy whats cool than something that is more functional.
 

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I hope that made you feel better. I don't post much, at all. I don't share my opinion on this topic, because I am biased, even though I try not to be. A few people on here know who I am and what I do for a living, and they would automatically assume my opinion is biased. I don't get my information 3rd hand, but if you want to think that I am beating my chest or proclaiming to be an expert to drive some sort of internet credibility, fine. You could have just said you though the Sig was a better product. That is an opinion, and one I happen to disagree with, but it wouldn't have bothered me. It may not seem like much to you, but when you make false statements like that, which come across as fact based on some knowledge you have, it can negatively impact my business over the course of time. Our brand is important to me, so if I can correct a false statement in front of however many people read this thread, then I am happy to do that. I only view two message boards, and both are MSU related, so maybe I will start taking the time in these gun threads to clear up a lot of the false claims I see.

Here is some advice for the OP. Try and think of how she will use the handgun. Car, home, carry, purse, etc.? Determine the what guns fit those parameters by size, weight, etc. Take your wife to a range that has rental guns, or find a friend that has several different types of handguns and see if they'll go to the range with you and allow her to shoot them. Let her shoot a few and see what she likes. From there, you can narrow down the categories of guns she is interested in (Revolver, pocket sized semi-auto, concealed carry sized semi-auto, full sized semi-auto).

J-Frame sized revolvers have pretty significant recoil, particularly when they are aluminum alloy frames, which is what most people purchase due to the weight. Hammerless versions also have long, and often heavy, double action trigger pulls. This can create accuracy issues and some are unable to use them properly, as they cannot pull the trigger rearward with the use of just one finger. The positives are the are extremely easy to understand, fairly featureless, and they typically face fewer malfunctions.

Pocket-sized semi-autos (Ruger LCP, S&W Bodyguard, etc.) suffer from many of the negative characteristics of the small revolvers mentioned above, while not offering the positives. They have a place and will serve their purpose, but I would not lean that direction unless your wife shot one and loved it. Concealed carry sized guns like the Sig 365, M&P Shield, etc. are great choices for even novice shooters. I would stick with 9mm here due to recoil and ammo cost. There are several different safety features, and you can get them in a myriad of different configurations (manual safety, no manual safety, different sight configurations, color combos, etc.). They can be fun to shoot, which is different than the two above. This typically creates a more competent shooter, as they're willing to spend more time at the range, so I always view that as a positive. They are a little harder to conceal, especially on small framed individuals. That gets even worse in the summer months in the south, as it is hot and hard to wear enough clothes to properly conceal. Polymer frames will be the lightest, so that should be a consideration as well, particularly if she is going to wear it in a holster.

Full size pistols are difficult to conceal, but aside from that offer the most features and benefits of this list. They are very pleasant to shoot, in the right caliber. Typically a longer sight radius, which makes the shooter more accurate.

The last category, is not really a category per se, but is a couple of guns that are seeing a lot of success at retail, particularly with female shooters. The M&P Shield 380EZ, M&P Shield 9EZ, and the Walther PK380. These guns are concealed carry size semi-autos, designed to be easy to operate. The slides are easy to manipulate, making it easier for someone who lacks dexterity in their hands. There are multiple safety features, so you can choose between manual thumb safety and non thumb safety models. Recoil is light, trigger is nice, and they are a pleasure to shoot. I will say that these products are the hottest selling products for female shooters on the market today.

As for opinions stating Sig 238s are a good option, I would certainly let my wife shoot one first and let her understand how the gun operates and how it will be carried/stored. It is completely safe, but many novice gun owners are put off by the idea of carrying something cocked and locked. The sight radius is very short, resulting in inaccuracy by most shooter. The trigger is nice, because it is a single action. There are many different color configurations and grip options. This would not be my first choice, but if she loved it and was comfortable with it, I would be confident it could serve her well. Again, range time is important, and this is not one that you'll be sending thousands of rounds down range with.

Hope all or some of that helps.
 

Dawgbite

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I completely understand the difference between .38 special and .22 long rifle stopping power, but that wasn't my point. My wife just cannot handle the .38 recoil. It's more a mental thing rather than physical, but the problem is still there. She just can't.
My wife is the same way. My wife owns a Glock, a SIG, a Kahr, and she even has a Kimber that I gave her but the only gun she wants beside her bed is a S&W Airweight 22. A gun that she feels comfortable shooting eight times is much better than a bigger gun that she may or may not be able to fire one time in a high stress situation. When I want to feel pretty, I carry a Kimber Sapphire Blue 1911 Ultra, it makes my eyes sparkle.
 

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Thank you for the very informative post

no Sarcastrics

I never meant to give anything other opinion based on what I’ve been told by someone who did a lot work with different guns in harsh conditions.

Can you share what reliability testing you do at S&W and how the results differ from the other guns? Also, you didn’t mention much about Glocks. That’s the only thing I have much first hand knowledge of. Do you not like them at all?
 

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Think I will get my wife one of those “AR-14” that Uncle Joe was telling the Union worker he was going to ban. Don’t know a lot about “AR-14” but it really sounds like a more practical and useful weapon during these uncertain times.
 

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I wish it were that easy. Even if I could share that information, reliability, function and safety tests vary depending on the type of firearm and a few other factors. Suffice to say that there are industrywide specifications that all manufacturers must meet. Aside from that, there are a multitude of lifespan, condition, and functionality tests that products are put through. The bulk of those tests are used throughout the industry as well. Also, there are a multitude of reliability tests done outside the scope of the manufacturers that can be found online. Unfortunately, those are the best source of this information, as they are shared with the general public.

As far as Glock is concerned, they make fine firearms. They are not without their own issues, which have been well documented online, but I would trust my life to one. I'd say the same about almost all manufacturers. I have friends at almost every firearm manufacturer, so I won't sit around and pick them apart. They all make good stuff, stuff I wouldn't own, and things that fall in between. It's much like any other consumer product in that regard. The key is to find what makes you feel comfortable, both physically and mentally, and to familiarize yourself with the product as much as possible (features, operation, reloading, etc.). It doesn't matter how "cool" the gun is or if the Navy Seals use it, if you can't rack the slide, load a magazine, or shoot it accurately.
 

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Hey Penndaddy, thanks for your contribution to this thread. I've been the happy owner of a S&W Model 10-5 for a very long time. Bought it right after the local PD upgraded to semi-auto, so it was a great deal. The build quality of these revolvers is absolutely top-notch.

Pretty sure mine was made sometime in the early-to-mid 60's (serial #D41xxx), but looks like it could have been yesterday aside from a little loss of the bluing on the barrel at the muzzle. That said, it has one issue in that the hammer won't hold for single action. Double-action is no problem. I've read this often means a worn sear, but also possibly just needs a very thorough cleaning.

FWIW, when I slowly pull back the hammer, I get a 1st click when the cylinder stop moves forward, then a 2nd click when it moves up and locks into the cylinder. As I continue to go back, I can hear & feel just a slight bit of resistance before it goes past...like it's going over a tiny speed bump. Same "speed bump" as I slowly let the hammer travel forward toward the cylinder.

Your thoughts?
 
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Penndaddy

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That’s a nice unit. I’m rather fond of older guns, although I’m relatively young. I hate diagnosing issues without having the opportunity to handle the gun or even strip it, but I’ll try and help. To be sure I’m following you, let me ask a few questions. Will the hammer not remain in the cocked/single action position when you manually pull it rearward? If it will remain in the rearward position, can you apply forward pressure to the hammer with your thumb and essentially push the hammer forward? If either of these are happening, you are experiencing what a lot of people call “push off”. That refers to being able to push the hammer forward without pulling the trigger. The fix for this requires the side plate coming off, and anytime that has to happen, I recommend taking it to a local gunsmith or sending it back to the manufacturer. The issue could be as simple as the hammer spring/strain screw, although it is more likely that it is a contact point/engagement issue. The problem there is that you would likely need new components, as it’s never a good idea to try and reshape parts. Not a huge issue, but unless the gunsmith happens to have the parts laying around, it’s not a 5 minute fix either.

Easiest thing is to let me know the area you live in, and I’ll recommend a good gunsmith, or there may be an armorer close by that I could convince to meet you to take a look at it. One note is that older S&Ws, like yours were made before the company’s limited lifetime warranty policy, so there would be a charge if you sent it back to the factory. Good news is that if you did decide to send it back for repair, I know a guy😉.
 

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Wife is wanting to get her first pistol. We looked at the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield M2.0 9mm and the Sig Sauer P238 .380. I have a Sig P229 9mm (which she has shot) and love it. Have never owned a S&W. Anyone have any experience with either of these or have another suggestion? She’s thinking along the lines of personal protection/concealed carry but doesn’t always carry a big purse so it’d probably be in her car half the time. Thanks in advance.

ETA: she wants something with a safety which the two I mentioned do have. I have a Ruger LCP .380 she could use, but it doesn’t have a safety.

It may seem a little tame but my wife is 63 years old and has nerve problems in her hands. So, she keeps a hammerless .22 Magnum revolver in her car. The .38 recoil was too much for her and she didn't want to deal with an automatic.
 
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