Hosted a US Amateur too, won by Tiger Woods.
Where are you now Steve Scott?
Pumpkin Ridge is an interesting set up. It has 36 holes, 18 are private, 18 are public.
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Hosted a US Amateur too, won by Tiger Woods.
Where are you now Steve Scott?
Pumpkin Ridge is an interesting set up. It has 36 holes, 18 are private, 18 are public.
Always think of Staten Island NY native and MLB pitcher Pete Mikkelsen when I see Phil Mickelson.
LIV is teeing it up in Portland this week with a better field but it still feels like an exhibition to me.
I think as the fields get better and the tournaments are in the US, it will feel less that way. It's like the old NFL and AFL right now.
Not an exhibition. Just different. 54 holes is generally the number needed to make it official.
Do you have stats to back that up? How many times do the 54 leader wins the tournament?
Does anyone plan to watch LIV this weekend? Streaming only Thurs-Sat.
No Pro-Am or sponsors events either. It’s a 5 hour shotgun start type outing for 3 days where everyone starts and finishes at the same time. Much easier schedule for the players compared to PGA Tour events. Many players don’t like playing in the Pro-Ams but they are required to by the PGA to raise money.
They have some popular players (Bryson, DJ, Reed, Koepka) but the vast majority are players like Chase Koepka Owgr 1638 who have no chance of winning. The team thing is boring for viewers but they try to make it seem important.
Not being on tv is the big problem. The London tournament was a novelty, so I streamed it. But I don’t see good numbers with streaming only.
No Pro-Am or sponsors events either. It’s a 5 hour shotgun start type outing for 3 days where everyone starts and finishes at the same time. Much easier schedule for the players compared to PGA Tour events. Many players don’t like playing in the Pro-Ams but they are required to by the PGA to raise money.
They have some popular players (Bryson, DJ, Reed, Koepka) but the vast majority are players like Chase Koepka Owgr 1638 who have no chance of winning. The team thing is boring for viewers but they try to make it seem important.
Not being on tv is the big problem. The London tournament was a novelty, so I streamed it. But I don’t see good numbers with streaming only.
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TV contracts take years in advance so not surprised.
Love the shotgun start aspect. Weather conditions, course conditions are the same for everyone. All finish at relatively the same everyday.
To be fair the majority of the players in any PGA Tour event don’t have a shot at winning either. Although I am not a big fan of shotgun starts since you were typically meant to play a course from 1-18, but it’s not a big deal since the PGA has the split starts at 1 or 10 anyway. I do think the shotgun start is better TV since the watch time is just 4 hours every round with all the best players going at the same time.
My post was tongue in cheek since a rain shortened event can be official at 54 holes. Whether they play 54 or 72 really doesn’t matter as much to me. 54 feels OK since there is no cut. No sense watching a Chase Koepka go +20 over 4 rounds.
I'll give it a looksie. I caught some of the first event. It was kind of dull. No crowd, the broadcast was clearly in the infant stages of production, kind of felt like watching some random Asian Tour event that you might catch on Golf Channel at 3AM.
When you're getting as much money as some are getting for just showing up, at what point does winning or playing your best not matter?
For the first event, LIV did some nice highlight videos on YouTube of the rounds. I will check those out and perhaps some of Saturday if the leaderboard is interesting.
they need to revive the Brooks/Bryson feud to get more eyeballs.
It was interesting listening to some of these guys give explanations yesterday. First of all, Brooks, no one believes that you just started talking/thinking about LIV the Monday after the US Open. LOL. You literally scrubbed your social media of PGA Tour references that same Monday. So how did it go that Monday? You woke up, thought about LIV, cut a deal with them and locked it all up by lunch?
And DeChambeau trying to argue that he hopes people will not ignore all the good the Saudis are doing now. LOL. What? I am hoping that quote was taken out of context.
All that being said, while I'll probably give it a looksie, if you had DJ and Koepka and DeChambeau and someone like Louie O in some sort of shoot out on Saturday, I'd be more inclined to watch. If it's Schwartzel and a couple of JAGs leading, the chances of my tuning in clearly go down.
And DeChambeau trying to argue that he hopes people will not ignore all the good the Saudis are doing now. LOL. What? I am hoping that quote was taken out of context.
All that being said, while I'll probably give it a looksie, if you had DJ and Koepka and DeChambeau and someone like Louie O in some sort of shoot out on Saturday, I'd be more inclined to watch. If it's Schwartzel and a couple of JAGs leading, the chances of my tuning in clearly go down.
Agree that everyone who has joined LIV will make more money there. When Pat Perez gets a 10M signing bonus then the money is real good.
But there’s currently only about 10 guys that you want to see on that tour, and that includes the Lee Westwoods and Ian Poulters.
If Bryson or one of the big names wins this weekend will it mean much to golf fans? Not for me.
Looking at the John Deere Classic this week, outside of Gotterup due to the Rutgers connection, that is a pretty sad list of players. I would much rather watch the LIV event.
might be one to view just to see an unknown long-shot take it instead of one of the usual suspects . Because the expected winners are sitting this one out making it a weak field and anyone's game
Big write up about Honda. Tough course and most players want to honor Arnold Palmer tournament. This one is an easy skip for the big names.
The problem for the PGA Tour is they have about 20 of these tournaments a year. The fall events are a joke.
It’s about TV money and opportunities for the non-top 50 players to earn some dough.
Very poor. LIV has a better line up. Gotterup needs to relax, I think he will after making the cut at the Open.
I'll read some news account of LIV events, but that's it for my interest. Maybe the major tournaments get a buzz of interest if the LIV golfers are allowed to compete against PGA golfers - assumes LIV scores will count towards rankings.
I'll say this - the PGA responses have been pathetic and petulant. They need to step up their game and improve purses/payments for top golfers.
I'll say this - the PGA responses have been pathetic and petulant. They need to step up their game and improve purses/payments for top golfers.
Agree, but if the PGA Tour continues to lose top players to LIV the money from sponsors and advertisers will decline for Tour events.
Total purse for John Deere is 7.1M vs 25M for the LIV Portland 54 hole event.
Schwartzel won 4.8M alone at the London event. The numbers are way out of comparison and the Tour cannot compete financially, especially if top players continue to leave.
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Watching LIV is like watching the NFL Pro Bowl. A few aging stars going thru the motions for no reason at all. I can’t wait to see an epic battle on the fifth hole between Pat Perez and Peter Uhlein to win the DFL money. Yawn.
The same could be said about the PGA Tour event this weekend. Did you see the list of players? Horrific.
PGA players are either playing in Irish open and Scottish open next week to try and qualify for Open.
Just shows that a good number of the PGA Tour events are meaningless/unwatchable. No need to mock the LIV when their lineup this week is much better.
Don’t you mean don’t mock it this week. Resume the mocking at the next event. LIV needs one of their players content at The Open. Another showing like the US Open will prove that it’s a league of has beens.
John Deere is on tv on the golf channel at 3pm today. LIV starts at 4pm online from Portland. Good opportunity to watch both.
Not every NFL game is the Super Bowl, but we watch the weekly competition because they have meaning. LIV is a glorified exhibition with no meaning. Golfers play PGA events each week to earn their status on tour. Spieth won as a 19 year old at the John Deere. you may have thought it unwatchable, but if so you missed seeing the beginning of a great career.
I no longer watch every NFL game available. The Sunday, Monday and Thursday night game are crap most of the time. In any weekend there is no more then 2 great matches.