correct. I was referring to total revenue.
most of that orher 45% goes to executives, lobbying, administrative costs and promotion:
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correct. I was referring to total revenue.
most of that orher 45% goes to executives, lobbying, administrative costs and promotion:
And they do raise boatloads of money for charity at every stop. No other sport comes close to supporting the communities like the PGA
I never claimed I was ever a PGA of America member. But since you went there please tell me what having a PGA of America member has to do with knowing the inner workings of the PGA tour.You have earned the right to give half answers
Twist facts? I've earned the right too call you out as not being an expert. When were you part of the PGA of America??
very early in this thread I said I have a number of colleagues that work for the tour. Just because you were an asst pro a couple of decades ago does not make you an expert of tour workings.
keep trying.
and since you made the claim, please share one of my twisted facts. I’ll wait.
like every professional sport….EXecutives are getting severely overpaid.
what golf does correctly is pay the athletes by performance. Not by what they’ve done in the past
Guys at the top of the food chain are overpaid. The majority are underpaid relative to the same job at almost any other company.
Keep trying giving "facts " from other people that work for Tour. Probably Phil haters like most on here.
I am still a member of the PGA of America so I can do certain events mainly First Tee. So no not decades ago.
I actually believe you are still a member of the PGA of America. But the numerous claims you’ve made about the tour just prove you don’t need to know anything about the tour to be a PGA member.
WhiteBus should outline his PGA experience for us. Was he folding golf shirts in the pro shop or did he give lessons and play in local tournaments?
His insights into the current workings of the PGA Tour are a bit naive imo.
His insights into the current workings of the PGA Tour are a bit naive imo.
Haha. Ill let you go first of your experiences in the golf world. Sitting on the couch yelling at Phil doesn't count.
No work experience in the golf world. Have belonged to a number of private clubs and played in weekly club tournaments. Once lost in the Finals of the club championship at Bamm Hollow CC on extra holes. Have played in quite a few FL State Golf Assn one day tournaments the past 5 years, traveling to many top courses across the state. A number of top 3 finishes in my flight.
Currently playing to a 10 hcp, but swing has become a bit erratic the past year or two.
And I watch PGA Tour golf a lot from home and read about it online.
Ok, your turn.
Well the teaching question was already answered here. Still involved it what is now called the First Tee. Undefeated in HS matches 2 years in the Shore Conference, 2 top 10s in the Shore Conference Annual Tournament. 1 season at RU. Qualified for the USGA National Pub Links at Howell, moved on in the stroke play rounds at Hominey Hills got smoked in day 1 of the match play part. Saw very little of the back nine
4 years at Spring Meadow, 3 years at Colonia where I was an assistant. Lots of required tournaments and in classroom studies on everything about the business of professional golf. A lot. Not fun. Pay sucked joined Mortgage Bond business with FannieMae. Caddie in local US Open qualifiers.
So what does all of this have to do with Phil??
When I was in hs my Dad belonged to Colonia CC. The pro there, Gary Ostrega, was quite a character. He was on Big Break a few times in 2007 and alienated everyone with his smack talk. I met him a few times in 2015 at the range at Hyatt Hills in Clark NJ and he was just as surly in person. He told me that if I wanted to chat with him that I should sign up for a few lessons!Well the teaching question was already answered here. Still involved it what is now called the First Tee. Undefeated in HS matches 2 years in the Shore Conference, 2 top 10s in the Shore Conference Annual Tournament. 1 season at RU. Qualified for the USGA National Pub Links at Howell, moved on in the stroke play rounds at Hominey Hills got smoked in day 1 of the match play part. Saw very little of the back nine
4 years at Spring Meadow, 3 years at Colonia where I was an assistant. Lots of required tournaments and in classroom studies on everything about the business of professional golf. A lot. Not fun. Pay sucked joined Mortgage Bond business with FannieMae. Caddie in local US Open qualifiers.
So what does all of this have to do with Phil??
Regarding Phil and the PGA Tour we are all watching the same events unfold. It’s ok for us to have different perspectives on what the future holds for that relationship. No one is right or wrong at this point. It is TBD in the future.
I happen to think that we’ve seen the last of Phil on the PGA Tour.
I worked for Gary. To put it mildly I wasn't a fan. He was a great golfer but had a temper that affected his play. Similar to Speith.
I think we have seen the last of Phil on the PGA too.
I jumped into this thread because of hypocrisy of what is going on with Phil vs all other sports including golf who are already in bed with the Saudis and others.
I could be wrong but I didn’t take any of the comments above about the hypocrisy of other sports taking Saudi money for years. Hell Rory had the UAE resort as a sponsor for years. I think it’s more about Phil making a mistake going for what could be a short term money grab (due to his gambling habits) and essentially killing his career on the PGA tour. Sad for his legacy. Hope it makes him happy
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Based on Phil’s comments about the Tour and the Saudi Golf League, it seems to me that Phil wants to hurt the Tour financially and to help the Saudis gain an equal advantage in market share with the Tour in the US. He also wants to own his media rights with the Tour. Each of these issues will significantly pay Phil more to play golf in the future.
For 2022 Phil will make far more $ on the Saudi Tour. He is the face of the Saudi team, along with Sergio, Lee Westwood, Ian Poulter and a few others and appears all-in with the Saudis, esp if he has already taken 30M from them.
The downside of Phil’s move is that he may be suspended by the Tour and the Senior Tour long term. Saudis are playing 8 tourneys this season and 10-14 tourneys in future seasons. Phil can make beaucoup $ by playing only with the Saudis. That’s the choice it looks like he has made.
For 2022 Phil will make far more $ on the Saudi Tour. He is the face of the Saudi team, along with Sergio, Lee Westwood, Ian Poulter and a few others and appears all-in with the Saudis, esp if he has already taken 30M from them.
The downside of Phil’s move is that he may be suspended by the Tour and the Senior Tour long term. Saudis are playing 8 tourneys this season and 10-14 tourneys in future seasons. Phil can make beaucoup $ by playing only with the Saudis. That’s the choice it looks like he has made.
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Phil played 20 events in 2019. If he plays the 14 Saudi Tournaments, the 4 majors, and WGC event that’s 19 right there.
he won’t miss a beat
His travel will be more. And not on his private jet. In reality Phil is over 50 and not expected to win much on the PGA Tour. He will have a better chance against the scrubs on this tour.
Poor Phil. So he gambles, didnt pay his caddie and said something inappropriate. Tiger Woods cheated on his wife, drove drunk/crashed his car, had 5 drugs in his system, then (ahem) fell asleep at the wheel on a morning drive. And yet people love him. Phil's getting a raw deal here.
Nobody is hating on Phil. As a matter of fact, the PGA Tour is doing exactly to Phil what it did to Tiger. Have him stand up and face the press before you play again. Remember Tiger doing that? The only thing Phil is getting beat up for are the comments he made in the interview where he blasts the PGA Tour -- much of which were false and/or exaggerated. As I posted this is against the membership rules of the Tour that Phil himself decides to join.
Stop crying for Phil.
How do you know Phil didn’t cheat on his wife or do drugs? Maybe you should wait for the next interview.
I saw Phil was trending on Twitter with the release of the excerpts of Shipnuck's book. Read of bunch. Pretty much confirms what a lot of people love about Phil and why he's always been a huge phoney. Sounds like another book is coming out that will be much harder on Phil. I may have to start reading again.
Nicklaus announced that he turned down >100M to accept Greg Norman’s job as leader of Saudi League.
Nicklaus designs golf courses in Saudi Arabia, so Jack has a significant relationship with the Saudis as clients. I expect that his comments will not be controversial about the Saudi tour.
Nicklaus designs golf courses in Saudi Arabia, so Jack has a significant relationship with the Saudis as clients. I expect that his comments will not be controversial about the Saudi tour.
Lol..crying for Phil. Thats a good one. My post was more about Tiger. He cheated on his wife, took multiple drugs, drove/crashed under the influence, and had his unexplained launch off the highway. Yet his sponsors pay upwards of 60 mil to him. Phil got dropped like a hot potato. That's all I was saying.
Is there documented proof? Was there proof of infidelity like Tiger? Was there a multi drug induced car accident that let to his arrest like Tiger? Is there a next interview coming out with Lefty that I should be waiting for? Based on past history, any next interview about Tiger has more potential than one about Phil.
Jack has already his displeasure of the Suadi League.
“(The PGA Tour’s) brought millions and millions of dollars to communities, it’s brought great competition, great television,” Nicklaus said. “Why would I not support that? Instead, I’m going to go support for my own benefit, see 40 guys break away from the PGA Tour at the whim of an advertising agency in Saudi Arabia? What happens to the other guys?
“I just don’t like it. I don’t think it’s right.”
You missed my point. Phil was a well liked player because of his persona. I mean his is “people’s champion”. However. the interview is revealing a very different Phil and people think the old persona was an act, aka phony. So the question or my point is what else do we not know about Phil.
Jack is so much different than both Tiger and Phil. He was and still is a $20 gambler. He won never take money away from his family.
Not sure why anyone cares. Phil plays golf. That’s it — nothing more. He’s an entertainer like an actor or musician. Many of them cheat, waste money on ridiculous things, etc. Are there people out there who actually looked up to Phil for anything other than his golf swing?
But, hey, I get it. There are a lot of people out there primarily on social media who take weird enjoyment in seeing people “exposed for who they really are.”
But, hey, I get it. There are a lot of people out there primarily on social media who take weird enjoyment in seeing people “exposed for who they really are.”
I don’t think people look up to Phil as a human. Some people are fans but to most he’s just another golfer.
like with Tiger or any entertainer their troubles are interesting/humorous. It’s interesting Phil ain’t paying his caddie. It’s interesting Tiger almost killed himself and lost his leg. It’s interesting that Phil is a ****** gambler. It was interesting that DJ loved Coke and got a time out. It’s interesting that Davis Loves wife loved Coke even more. I could go on.
golf is interesting because for the great golfers endorsement $$$ is worth so much more than their tour winnings. They make most of their money representing big corporations yet they can’t stay out of their own way in screwing that gravy train up.
I think it’s ******* hilarious that a Phil lost a boatload of endorsement $$$ by saying stupid Saudi **** and at the same time **** where he ate by publicly being critical of the Tour. Phil is a stupid idiot and watching his demise is funny as hell. Those that think this is a Tiger vs. Phil thing likely just think that because their are upset about what’s happened to their idol.
The fact that you think it's f-ing hilarious explains a lot about many of your comments. Apparently most of your inside info is from other Phil haters. Quality comments
When the big name tour players like Thomas, DeChambau, Speith, Rory, Tiger, etc all rejected the Saudi offer at the same time that put Phil out there by himself. He tried to get them to join him but they all chose to stay with the Tour.
Will be interesting to see what happens with their tournament results. It may not be on tv.
Will be interesting to see what happens with their tournament results. It may not be on tv.
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Nobody is a Phil hater nor do they idolize Phil. Just pointed out what was gonna happen exactly as it did. I’m sorry that bothers you do much.The fact that you think it's f-ing hilarious explains a lot about many of your comments. Apparently most of your inside info is from other Phil haters. Quality comments
I read today that Rickie Fowler sounds like he is on the fence to play the LIV. He missed the playoffs last year and has not won since 2019. He is the type of player that would benefit to play on this new tour. Sounds like his hesitation (like most players) is around the implications of playing some events (ex. outside US only). Seems like the PGA Tour has been pretty clear on not playing any. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and how long the LIV tour lasts.