OT-Parisi Speed School

[RU5781]

Who's throwing a 6 year old curve balls?

Like I said upthread...it's your money.

Not me...his instructor (he played for RU, has family that played in MLB, and coaches HS baseball).
The struggle with my son is his footwork...when he puts it all together, he crushes it. When he gets lazy, he couldn't hit a beachball.
The good thing is...he gets it, and it's getting drilled into him.
$35 a week for it isn't much.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

@zappaa out of curiosity can you comment on throwing a 6 year old curve balls...

 

[miker183]

Anyone have any experience with them?
My son has his first class with them tomorrow (he will be turning 7 in September).

My middle daughter went there for soccer; it was very good for developing that first step speed. They also helped with lateral movement (think infield fielding). We used the one in Wall, which, if I remember correctly, Val Barnaby was on staff at the time.

Regardless, I wouldn't spend a mint there, as fundamentals are still important, but I think exposing kids to the proper way to run and move is worthwhile.

 

[e5fdny]

@zappaa out of curiosity can you comment on throwing a 6 year old curve balls...

Would rather him reiterate what his dad said about specializing in one sport.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Not me...his instructor (he played for RU, has family that played in MLB, and coaches HS baseball).
The struggle with my son is his footwork...when he puts it all together, he crushes it. When he gets lazy, he couldn't hit a beachball.
The good thing is...he gets it, and it's getting drilled into him.
$35 a week for it isn't much.

sounds like he has some natural ability

but I think you are backing into proving my point.

Most--maybe not all--6 years are incapable of "putting it all together" consistently at this age.

I've been through this as a player myself and now with 2 kids.

All this programming at this age rarely takes. Maybe your kid is an outlier. And I hope he is. But for the overwhelming majority of kids, all this personalized instruction at this age is a money grab.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Would rather him reiterate what his dad said about specializing in one sport.

My kids play 4 sports...and that doesn't count judo/jiu jitsu...

I'm a firm believer in multi sport kids up through HS

 

[e5fdny]

I'm a firm believer in multi sport kids

Which is what Yogi said too.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Not really. His hitting instructor is Vin Mazzilli. His cousin is Lee Mazzilli and Lee's son plays AA for the Mets.
Vin played for Rutgers back in the mid-90s. he even said if he learned proper technique and had this training available to him at an early age, it only would have benefited him moreso in his playing future.

I know Vin or rather, met him a few times. He's lucky to be in AA

there is just so much wrong here. It's comedic to hear someone say a 6-7yr old kid would have benefited from earlier training when kids grow and develop differently. Half these kids under 10 will entirely different skill sets by the time they are 13-14

 

[RU5781]

My kids play 4 sports...and that doesn't count judo/jiu jitsu...

I'm a firm believer in multi sport kids up through HS

This I agree with. I'm meh on football for him (that's a whole separate topic). He has ZERO interest in soccer or lacrosse. Martial Arts is really the next step.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

My kids play 4 sports...and that doesn't count judo/jiu jitsu...

I'm a firm believer in multi sport kids up through HS

amen, my kids do this although it's wrestling and not judo (well last fall they took a wrestling break due to it conflicting with ccd but they are back for this year)

 

[RUJohnny99]

Not true, and that's what instruction does. It reminds them.
He's hitting curve balls at 6. Why? Explaining the concepts on watching the hand of the pitcher, picking up the spin, and waiting on the ball.
Does he understand it 100%? No. But it's a great foundation to build upon.

How do you train a 6 year old to differentiate between a curve ball and a wild pitch, and whether to bail or stay in the box and hit it?

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Not true, and that's what instruction does. It reminds them.
He's hitting curve balls at 6. Why? Explaining the concepts on watching the hand of the pitcher, picking up the spin, and waiting on the ball.
Does he understand it 100%? No. But it's a great foundation to build upon.

you do know that research shows kids under 10 can't see a ball coming straight at them the way you and I do right? There is no way a young child is picking up spin for a variety of reasons but most troubling here is expecting a 6yr to face a curveball. Your hitting instructor is kind of a moron imho. that said, speed bag and hand ball are the best things to improve hand eye for baseball

 

[RU5781]

How do you train a 6 year old to differentiate between a curve ball and a wild pitch, and whether to bail or stay in the box and hit it?

Watch the spin and explode. One thing I pride myself on (and him) is teaching him NOT to swing at bad pitches and to learn the strike zone. That only comes with repetition after repetition.
He stays in the box himself...he won't bail.

 

[RU5781]

you do know that research shows kids under 10 can't see a ball coming straight at them the way you and I do right? There is no way a young child is picking up spin for a variety of reasons but most troubling here is expecting a 6yr to face a curveball. Your hitting instructor is kind of a moron imho. that said, speed bag and hand ball are the best things to improve hand eye for baseball

Uhhhh, they do. I coach, and I'm around people that have played professionally. I'll take my experience and their knowledge over yours.
Mixing in fastballs with curves is a great thing. It doesn't let him sit on a pitch (anyone can time a fastball), and it teaches him to wait on the ball...all concepts which he fully grasps.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Watch the spin and explode. One thing I pride myself on (and him) is teaching him NOT to swing at bad pitches and to learn the strike zone. That only comes with repetition after repetition.
He stays in the box himself...he won't bail.

It takes 10,000 hours to learn that skill at the level your son is. Considering he's only lived about 55,000 hours, that's quite an accomplishment.

 

[RU5781]

It takes 10,000 hours to learn that skill at the level your son is. Considering he's only lived about 55,000 hours, that's quite an accomplishment.

Thanks Tony Gwynn.
He's struck out twice all season in kid pitch in 38 at bats.

 

[phlop87]

Its your money so spend it .. However, no instructor for any age is going to tell you its a waste of time and your money to pay me .. So of course he is going to say If I had instruction at 6 I would have been better. Another great crossover sport for baseball and basketball is tennis... short bursts for speed, judging angles etc

 

[ruhudsonfan]

It takes 10,000 hours to learn that skill at the level your son is. Considering he's only lived about 55,000 hours, that's quite an accomplishment.

It is quite remarkable

I'm curious how hard they throw fastballs to him

If they're throwing him curveballs to teach him to wait on the ball, they must be throwing him fastballs in the high 40s low 50s. You can't physically throw a curve ball much slower than 40mph and expect it to actually break.

As I said, my 6 year old hits with a decent amount of authority. And he rarely swings and misses. Sometimes he hits little dribblers, so not suggesting he is Mickey Mantle. But when my 9 year old pitches to him for real, he literally has no chance. And my 9 year old tops out at 40-42mph. And mostly in the high 30s.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Thanks Tony Gwynn.
He's struck out twice all season in kid pitch in 38 at bats.

I'm not looking to break your balls, but the idea that a professional instructor is throwing a 6 year old curve balls is pretty silly. And I say that as someone who has coached kids 10 and under for 4 straight years, including at the All star/travel level. And who played the game at a fairly high level of HS and American Legion (when that was still a big thing).

So your kid is either the next Mike Trout or key elements of the story are being lost in translation.

Either way, good luck to him...

 

[RUJohnny99]

It is quite remarkable

I'm curious how hard they throw fastballs to him

If they're throwing him curveballs to teach him to wait on the ball, they must be throwing him fastballs in the high 40s low 50s. You can't physically throw a curve ball much slower than 40mph and expect it to actually break.

As I said, my 6 year old hits with a decent amount of authority. And he rarely swings and misses. Sometimes he hits little dribblers, so not suggesting he is Mickey Mantle. But when my 9 year old pitches to him for real, he literally has no chance. And my 9 year old tops out at 40-42mph. And mostly in the high 30s.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around a curve from 30ish feet NOT drilling the kid right in the ribcage. That Ed Kranepool cousin must have some precision wrist action.

 

[RU5781]

It is quite remarkable

I'm curious how hard they throw fastballs to him

If they're throwing him curveballs to teach him to wait on the ball, they must be throwing him fastballs in the high 40s low 50s. You can't physically throw a curve ball much slower than 40mph and expect it to actually break.

As I said, my 6 year old hits with a decent amount of authority. And he rarely swings and misses. Sometimes he hits little dribblers, so not suggesting he is Mickey Mantle. But when my 9 year old pitches to him for real, he literally has no chance. And my 9 year old tops out at 40-42mph. And mostly in the high 30s.

I'm just trying to wrap my head aro
und a curve from 30ish feet NOT drilling the kid right in the ribcage. That Ed Kranepool cousin must have some precision wrist action.

46 feet.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Uhhhh, they do. I coach, and I'm around people that have played professionally. I'll take my experience and their knowledge over yours.
Mixing in fastballs with curves is a great thing. It doesn't let him sit on a pitch (anyone can time a fastball), and it teaches him to wait on the ball...all concepts which he fully grasps.

uh no they don't and the people you're talking about have nothing on me except Lee himself.

Now you are talking about 2 different aspects of the game, the physical side and the mental side.

Your kid could be a totally different kid physically in 3 years, 5 yrs.

you are fighting physics and child development with your argument

 

[RU5781]

It takes 10,000 hours to learn that skill at the level your son is. Considering he's only lived about 55,000 hours, that's quite an accomplishment.

It is quite remarkable

I'm curious how hard they throw fastballs to him

If they're throwing him curveballs to teach him to wait on the ball, they must be throwing him fastballs in the high 40s low 50s. You can't physically throw a curve ball much slower than 40mph and expect it to actually break.

As I said, my 6 year old hits with a decent amount of authority. And he rarely swings and misses. Sometimes he hits little dribblers, so not suggesting he is Mickey Mantle. But when my 9 year old pitches to him for real, he literally has no chance. And my 9 year old tops out at 40-42mph. And mostly in the high 30s.

That's sounds about right. We've tried 60+, but he can't get the bat around in time.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

It is quite remarkable

I'm curious how hard they throw fastballs to him

If they're throwing him curveballs to teach him to wait on the ball, they must be throwing him fastballs in the high 40s low 50s. You can't physically throw a curve ball much slower than 40mph and expect it to actually break.

As I said, my 6 year old hits with a decent amount of authority. And he rarely swings and misses. Sometimes he hits little dribblers, so not suggesting he is Mickey Mantle. But when my 9 year old pitches to him for real, he literally has no chance. And my 9 year old tops out at 40-42mph. And mostly in the high 30s.

in a nutshell as no kid at 6-7 is throwing hard enough for a curve ball. No kid that age, unless some sonnerkinder, is seeing a ball with enough clarity to see the laces turn

right now its all about fundamentals and fun

 

[ruhudsonfan]

That's sounds about right. We've tried 60+, but he can't get the bat around in time.

dude

you have a professional instructor putting your 6 year old in a cage with a machine set at 60 mph..

hopefully after the season is over and you splice up all his film for the scouts, you'll realize how silly that sounds...

in the meantime, if you're gonna go the Speed School route, Parisis is the best of the big places. There are several individual guys who are better, bu they do a good job.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Does IMG have an elementary school?

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

so a 'baseball professional' is putting a 6yr old kid in a cage with 60+ speed.

makes sense, I rest my case

 

[sct1111]

This is sort of off topic to what you guys are talking about but I've been to the Parisi Speed School gym or at least to the Crunch Fitness that is attached. It's the one in Fair Lawn.

I noticed that they have banners of just about every college imaginable from Notre Dame and Penn State to Furman hanging in the rafters. No matter how many times I tried to find it, I could not find a Rutgers banner. I thought that's was kind of odd. I always wondered if they have some beef with Rutgers or something.

 

[e5fdny]

This is sort of off topic to what you guys are talking about but I've been to the Parisi Speed School gym or at least to the Crunch Fitness that is attached. It's the one in Fair Lawn.

I noticed that they have banners of just about every college imaginable from Notre Dame and Penn State to Furman hanging in the rafters. No matter how many times I tried to find it, I could not find a Rutgers banner. I thought that's was kind of odd. I always wondered if they have some beef with Rutgers or something.

The one next to the Atlantic Club in Wall has one. But that might have been because Val was there.

 

[yesrutgers01]

so much wrong here but it's the parents that have destroyed what should be kids just going out and playing

7yr olds in hitting school, speed school, etc is just ludicrous

This^^^^^^^^^^

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I don't care about a scholarship for him. He loves baseball and wants to be the best. I have the means to do so (and time by managing his team), so I'm going to let him pursue his dreams as much as i can.

Good man! I don't know why anyone has a problem with this. Only you would know if you are the one pushing the kid or if the kid wants to work to get better.

About Parisi.. how is it that only a bunch of white guys can teach speed?

 

[yesrutgers01]

I think that outside of some of us that just say let the kids play, the only arguments you are seeing are around the methods. 60mph fastballs and throwing curve balls.
I'm trying to wrap my head around a 6 yo with bat speed to turn on a 60 mph fastball.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I think that outside of some of us that just say let the kids play, the only arguments you are seeing are around the methods. 60mph fastballs and throwing curve balls.
I'm trying to wrap my head around a 6 yo with bat speed to turn on a 60 mph fastball.

maybe the instructor has the machine set to kilometers

 

[RUBound]

Sent my 15 year old to Parisi in westfield when he was younger - worth the money and effort. My kid needed the agility and speed training because kids today don't spend the time outside just playing freely with friends and developing. And he is not naturally gifted. I have no delusions of him getting a scholarship or even playing at any level in college. I am just helping him to develop enough so he can play football and baseball at a group 4 level in High school. My 10 year old will go to Parisi soon.

 

[mikebal9]

Do you know which one? I'm in Hamilton so he will be going to the Newtown, PA one (it's only ~25 min from me).

Pretty sure he's in Garwood.

 

[TMCB]

Lassie

 

[ruready07]

parisi's is the babysitting school right?

If you're kid is a good athlete and needs to take the next step, go find an individually owned place that will challenge them and surround them with good athletes.

Even better than that, allow him to play outside with friends so he can run around and develop his knees, ankles and hips. You get athletic by performing unplanned movements.

 

[zappaa]

From little league distance, hitting a pitch thrown at 60 mph, is the same thing as when I hit off of Nolan Ryan throwing 102.

Parent to dad:
Mr Berra, my son played 50 games this summer, what can he do this fall to make him a better baseball later.
Dad:
Play soccer

 

[yesrutgers01]

From little league distance, hitting a pitch thrown at 60 mph, is the same thing as when I hit off of Nolan Ryan throwing 102.

Parent to dad:
Mr Berra, my son played 50 games this summer, what can he do this fall to make him a better baseball later.
Dad:
Play soccer

Repeat rinse repeat

 

[yesrutgers01]

Guys, I get it...we all want our kids to have every opportunity. Look at what Zap just said. He had the best hitting fielding etc coach possible.
The best advice at this age is for your kid to just play.
At 12 or so, you will know if your kid needs just that little more to go from the best 5 in your town to the best 5 in the state. The top 10 in the state will be there with no special training.
I have a neighbor who's kid is good at many sports. Dad was a ship soccer player art AZ St
Kid doesn't play soccer but right now is kicking *** as a middle school RB/QB/LB in middle school. They are paying every damn speed, skill school possible to get him into DBP for HS.
All good if his HS at DBP leads to a great education but not if they expect all that money to lead to a FB ship. The kid dominates now at 5'2 and neither dad or mom is over 5'6.
Just let your kids play. If they are Elite, do the extra, if not, just let them play and develop