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Leeshouldveflanked

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I'm looking at about replacing 3000 square foot of flooring in my house.. conventional foundation.... should I go with Floating Vinyl, engineered hardwood or hardwood floors.... I want this to last at least 25 years... if I live longer than that I'm in bonus time... I live in North Ms so I'm a little scared of Hardwood because of humidity.....I'm hoping to stay around 20-25 K at the most... what does the pack say?
 

WrapItDog

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I wouldn't put engineered or regular hardwood floors in a kitchen or bath no matter if it's a slab or conventional.

I putting down some luxury vinyl plank in rental house kitchen next week. Check back in a year or two and I will let you know that the renters destroyed it dragging a washing machine or dryer across it.
 

TrueMaroonGrind

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Depends on a bunch of factors. If you have dogs inside and they tread a lot the hardwoods or engineeered hardwoods would be destroyed in weeks. Are you installing it yourself?

Engineered hardwoods can only be refinished once or twice at most, so make you won't need to refinish them often. Real hardwoods can be refinished a lot and add value to your house so that is a plus.

I just did floating laminate floors in my house. Good so far especially with the dog traffic. I also live in north MS and haven't had any issues with humidity, but I do have a good plastic underlayment.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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I wouldn't put engineered or regular hardwood floors in a kitchen or bath no matter if it's a slab or conventional.

I putting down some luxury vinyl plank in rental house kitchen next week. Check back in a year or two and I will let you know that the renters destroyed it dragging a washing machine or dryer across it.

I'm putting Tile in my kitchen and bath...
 

TXDawg.sixpack

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I know it wasn't on your original list, but take a good look at wood-like tile. It's come a LONG way in the last few years. As the name implies, it's ceramic tile (or in some cases porcelain) that looks like hardwood flooring. We did about 1,000 sqft of it a couple of years ago in our downstairs. We have two inside dogs that are on it all day long and two kids - it still looks as good as it did the day they installed it.

Find a quality product and an installer who knows what they're doing and you won't be disappointed.

Pro Tip: Go with scraped-edge tiles (the edges are slightly rounded) and the thinnest grout line you can get (they can actually do as small as 1/8" - 1/16") and it will look almost exactly like a real wood floor.
 

Tsunhater

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We built our house a year ago and we installed Montage European Oak. Portifino Sienna. This is an oil finished flooor that will not scratch. You clean with a spray that replenishes the oil finish. Never needs sanding. We have 2 young kids and an inside dog that demolished our Heart Pine floors at our old house. I know you are from N MS but Interior Concepts in Jackson are Bulldogs and will install anywhere in the state. Here is the link to a brochure and if you would like pics of our floors I will be happy to DM pics. http://houseandearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Montage-European-Oak-Catalogue1.pdf
 
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LateralMover

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Hey guys. I've lurked on here for years but haven't posted much. I managed a flooring retail store in the Jackson area for several years, and I'm in the construction industry. Let's quickly go through some of the options.

Tongue & Groove Hardwood
-Expensive unless you use #2 pine
-Pine is soft and scratches easily. The finish won't last 25 years. I know plenty of people who have installed sand and finish pine in their new home, and they were scratched to hell and back within a year. In particular, I remember one customer who had a party at her house. One of her guests wore tall heels, and you could see everywhere that lady walked throughout the night.
-While it lasts, I think pine is a beautiful wood to install on a floor.
-More susceptible to buckling due to moisture and temperature
-You'll never get rid of all the dust from the sanding, even if they use bags on the sanders.

Engineered Hardwood
-A little more $ than #2 pine, but less than T&G heart pine, oak, etc.
-They're "engineered" to expand and contract along both the X and Y axis, so they're less prone to buckling.
-Wide variety of wood species to choose from. I recommend hickory because it's the most durable domestic hardwood on the market, and it's also economical.
-Just like traditional hardwood, it can get scratched, but you can get a hardwood that will scratch less with an engineered.

Floating Vinyl
-Price can vary. This is very much a "get what you pay for" product line. Since you want a product that will last 25 years, I'll assume we're talking about a nicer LVP. This usually starts at a little less than engineered hardwood.
-Incredibly hard to scratch
-Waterproof & easy to clean
-The underlayment is important but not as important as laminate. Many of the nicer LVP lines have their own recommended underlayment that's worth the extra few cents per foot.
-These nicer lines of LVP also look almost identical to hardwood, and many also include texture. I had several customers call me back and tell me that friends and family were asking about their new "hardwood." Here's a link to my favorite line that I sold: https://www.ivcfloors.com/flooring/luxury-vinyl-flooring/moduleo-embellish/

Wood Look Tile

-Not an economical solution for a variety of reasons. The product and install labor alone make it an expensive option. Also, with a traditional foundation because you must install backer board before tile which adds more material and labor costs. If you don't install backer board, the tile will crack when the seasonal changes in humidity and temperature cause the subfloor to expand and contract.
-Bombproof unless you drop something heavy and chip it
-Easy to clean
-There are many great looking wood look tile floors, but again, you get what you pay for.

Let me know if I missed anything. I'm happy to help.
 

LateralMover

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I sold a few jobs of that wood. It was by far my favorite engineered product on the market, but the price tag scares a lot of people off. The maintenance on an oil finished wood is a little bit more than a poly finished wood as well.
 

icouldjustpuke

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I have a friend that owns a flooring business

You will not be able to beat his workmanship or price. He too is in NMS. I will send you pm if you wish
 

Nellum Yendor

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I work for a major flooring mfg that makes all the flooring products that have been mentioned. Technology has progressed the last several years and there is a new product out called WPC. It's actually a LVT that has been attached to a hard, ridged urethane base. It's lightweight, 100% waterproof(unlike laminate), easy to install, and almost indestructible. Not to mention that it really looks like real wood. Not sure what part of North Ms live in, but I call on all independent retailers in the state and can send you to someone who could help you. Feel free to PM me...
 

SixtonPackerish

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Four years of red oak hardwood in kitchen, two beagles, daily wear and it still look brand new. Use Bona products. Wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Not the first problem.
 

patdog

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Consumer Reports had a long report in flooring a couple of months ago. Check out their website and/or make a trip to the library to read that issue.
 

ezsoil

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I sure love the Wood look tile. I have it throughout and love it ... I did it as I wanted low maintenance that would last the rest of my life so I spent what I needed and haven't looked back.
 

mcdawg22

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My neighbor has the tile that looks like wood, its looks great and is incredibly durable.
 

T-TownDawgg

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SLAGdawg, I would suggest DITRA by Schluter as opposed to backer board. Lighter, thinner, waterprooof, absolutely no cracks allowed through substrate, and more dimensionaly stable. As a bonus, it adds a slight amount of R-value.
 

LateralMover

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You're absolutely right. I love the Schluter products, but they're expensive plus they don't warranty the product unless it's installed by a Schluter-certified professional. Out of curiosity, do you know how much it's running per foot?

I regularly recommend their shower system as opposed to traditional mud bed and backer board.
 

LateralMover

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The waterproof core products are excellent too. I didn't see a significant difference between them and LVT though.
 

PubDawg

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We have pine, and it actually get a petina which we are ok with. It get lots of compliments when I rub it down with dales.
 

T-TownDawgg

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It's right around a 1.75 a foot now. A few other manufacturers have some similar products with their own interesting little spin of it, but they don't offer as much as schluter, yet. Prices will continue to slowly come down as they catch up. Maipai has an interesting schluter copycat line.

Also, the class is free for a couple of installers recommended to your rep, if you are a dealer. Send seroius pros only, don't waste it on dummies.
 
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