OT - New engineering building

FQDawg

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In case you haven't seen this, there's a time lapse video of the construction of the new engineering building on the college of engineering's YouTube page:

 

CoastDawg18

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What engineering disciplines will be in this building? MSU engineer here, but was not even aware of this new building.
 

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Question for all you long time MSU engineers and I don't want this to deteriorate into a boomer vs millennial ya ya. Is the engineering curriculum at State as difficult as it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? I was in awe of how hard you guys had to work when I was there...yall were very identifiable by you slide rules on your belts. By far the brightest and most serious students on campus.
 

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Question for all you long time MSU engineers and I don't want this to deteriorate into a boomer vs millennial ya ya. Is the engineering curriculum at State as difficult as it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? I was in awe of how hard you guys had to work when I was there...yall were very identifiable by you slide rules on your belts. By far the brightest and most serious students on campus.

I don't know. It's a totally different world now in engineering school, with calculators and personal computers abounding. Just a guess, but there was probably a greater understanding of engineering principles in the old days, but more opportunity for running options nowadays.
 

Shmuley

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Did they incorporate parking in the design like they did with Old Main Part Deux?
 

LexSCDOG

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Question for all you long time MSU engineers and I don't want this to deteriorate into a boomer vs millennial ya ya. Is the engineering curriculum at State as difficult as it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? I was in awe of how hard you guys had to work when I was there...yall were very identifiable by you slide rules on your belts. By far the brightest and most serious students on campus.

I graduated engineering in 89. Son in 18. There is certainly more opportunity for distractions. But he seems to have maintain the knowledge he gained at MSU and built upon it
 

dawgman42

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As a mechanical engineer (graduated in '96) who has/had two sons that started at State in engineering (only one finished/will finish with an eng. degree), I think the material is equally hard, just presented differently. The two big problems I see: (1) many, many high schools aren't preparing kids to successfully and consistently manage an engineering curriculum due to the ability to re-take tests, get your "feel good" 80%, dump all the material online, not use textbooks, not push deadlines, etc.; and (2) there are way too many foreign professors these days compared to years ago, many of whom are challenged in their English and conveyance of the material (and I had plenty of these types back during my college days).
 

TrueMaroonGrind

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Question for all you long time MSU engineers and I don't want this to deteriorate into a boomer vs millennial ya ya. Is the engineering curriculum at State as difficult as it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? I was in awe of how hard you guys had to work when I was there...yall were very identifiable by you slide rules on your belts. By far the brightest and most serious students on campus.

I graduated in 13 and it was extremely difficult for me and my fellow engineering classmates. I dedicated many a late nights to getting my engineering degree. It definitely prepared me for the workplace.

My dad always talked about having to use his slide rule and whatnot in the olden days. From what I can tell the tools have changed but it is as hard as it used to be.
 

RocketDawg

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It's still as difficult, but shorter. My program was 139 hours in the '90s. IHL pushed for all BS curriculum to be reduced to 128 hours at some point during the 2000s in order to facilitate more students graduating in four years. Graduating engineering in 4 years was very difficult without some summer school before the reduction to 128 hours. Now graduating in four years is now very common in engineering without summer school, which is a good thing. All departments still offer a robust summer schedule to facilitate COOP students, however.

I graduated well before you and the requirement was 144 hours, and labs didn't count much if any. I graduated in 5 years with 5 co-op semesters, which meant 18-20 hours most semesters. That kept a person busy.
 

Spidey.sixpack

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I finished in 2012 and it was difficult for me. I agree with the previous poster that public high school and even my time at JUCO didn't prepare me at all for my time at MSU.
 

dawgman42

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Very true. Schools aren't incentivizing some of the younger BS and MS folks enough to really want to pursue advanced degrees and align with top research and projects.
 

Nunya.sixpack

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One reason for your second point is not enough native English speakers go to grad school to fill the faculty ranks. Free tuition plus a $2,000/month stipend is not enough to entice US students to stick around for five more years of school to earn a PhD when they walk over to the career fair at the Hump and come away with a job offer in the upper $60Ks. This is not just an MSU problem, however.

When I finished my bachelor's in ChE, I was done. There was no incentive to live in the building any longer. I dont regret not getting a PhD.
 

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Question for all you long time MSU engineers and I don't want this to deteriorate into a boomer vs millennial ya ya. Is the engineering curriculum at State as difficult as it was back in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? I was in awe of how hard you guys had to work when I was there...yall were very identifiable by you slide rules on your belts. By far the brightest and most serious students on campus.

My son is a freshman in civil. His freshman classes are damn tough.
 
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When I graduated in 07 it was nearly impossible to graduate in 4 years with a BS in Civil Engineering. The difficult part was the amount of time spent in labs and only receiving 1 hour credit. They would take some of the harder classes and call them a “lab” if you ever took Cole’s (I think it was called) “Fundamentals of Structural Analysis” you know what I’m talking about. I spent more time working on that class than any other class my whole time at state.

As for the new building, McCain used to house the CE department and is named for a CE Alum. When it was renovated in the early 2000s the department had outgrown the building and labs in walker so Industrial Engineering was given the option to move into the building under the assumption Civil would get their own complex with new labs and such. Or at least this is what I was told as a student.
 
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They would take some of the harder classes and call them a “lab” if you ever took Cole’s (I think it was called) “Fundamentals of Structural Analysis” you know what I’m talking about. I spent more time working on that class than any other class my whole time at state.

I can vouch for this. Dr. Cole's class was a mother17er. I took him in summer school and he gave his tests at night so that we wouldn't lose any lecture time.....that guy skipped his mother-in-law's funeral that summer because he said we couldn't afford to lose the day.