OT: New car SUV

[RU4Real]

Ok, gotcha. Yeah, 250hp 4-banger is not enough to move that sucker. More power will potentially attract more of the driver-enthusiasts, but that segment is tiny. Women ultimately make the final car purchase decision 60% of the time and at risk of making a sweeping generalization, they’re not that interested in performance. They’re more interested in, “Does it look cute? Does the color match the shutters on the house? Is it safe? Can Aunt Bertha climb into the back seat? Can the trunk accommodate my shopping spree at Kohl’s?”

A 250 hp engine in the CX-5 would put it near or at the top of the class. You may be thinking of the CX-9.

The current CX-5 engine is 184 hp. As mentioned above, the most powerful engine you can get in an Escape is 240 hp.

The new Caddy XT4 with the 272 hp mill could be interesting.

 

[RUSK97]

A 250 hp engine in the CX-5 would put it near or at the top of the class. You may be thinking of the CX-9.

The current CX-5 engine is 184 hp. As mentioned above, the most powerful engine you can get in an Escape is 240 hp.

The new Caddy XT4 with the 272 hp mill could be interesting.

Yeah, thought we were talking about the CX-9. Based on OP’s 3-row Pilot inquiry.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Look, we are arguing over each other.
You said none. None means zero.
You said a dozen trims.
I cited a dozen models (not trims) (and there are actually more), and more coming--Mazda is introducing the CX-5 diesel, which has been wildly popular abroad. It's not the OEM's fault that the CARB/EPA cartel (which seemingly ran the EPA under the previous administration) does not truly understand clean diesel. Diesels have significantly lower hydrocarbon and CO emissions than gasoline-powered engines. The culprit for diesel is NOx, but there are various technologies that can address this--except CARB/EPA has a hard-on for diesels.

You keep attacking me, but I have cited only facts. OK, my comments on CARB/EPA are over the top. Where did BMW have a scandal? Maybe Fiat/Jeep did, but to my knowledge, the CARB/EPA cartel just put extra scrutiny on all diesels because VW/Audi were scumbags. That does not damn the whole segment.
More diesels rolling out in 2019!!!

But the death of diesel will likely be due to a new engine Mazda will roll out soon-the gasoline HCCI engine, which has the best attributes of gasoline and diesel. Think that a model debuts in 2019 in the Mazda 3, and it will be a game changer.

Let's drop the debate. You lost.

You didn't even get your first four sentences correct. A model is the Jaguar "XF," a trim is the "XF d".

Since you don't like believing someone who actually observes the industry for a living, I'm not sure if this will sway you, but it's black and white:

https://www.cars.com/research/bmw-x5-2015/trims/

While we're on links, here's one to answer the question you asked. I said lawsuit, not scandal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-installing-defeat-devices-in-u-s-diesel-cars

I never attacked you, just raised issue with how you qualified VW's role within the diesel demise.

I do believe we're talking over each other. You alluded to the fact that VW/Audi ruined the diesel market. That's simply not true. The diesel market sucked to begin with, VW pumped some artificial life into it, encouraged others to do the same, and the diesel market was still tiny. The incorrectly installed floor came crashing down, and left diesel where it would have been anyway. I'm not sure where you think the market would have been or would be now without VW's efforts.

Anyway, if diesel is booming as big as you're making it out - you just negated your original point. VW couldn't have done anything bad to the diesel marketplace, because it's so damn healthy!

On that we can agree - VW did not in fact ruin the diesel market.

(I win)

 

[RU4Real]

Yeah, thought we were talking about the CX-9. Based on OP’s 3-row Pilot inquiry.

Yeah, we tend to wander around this topic after the first few posts.

Also, I just checked and apparently Cadillac has detuned the corporate 2.0T to 237 hp for the XT4. They suck. That's just lame.

 

[T2Kplus10]

If he's shopping for a Pilot it means that the Q5 - which is an outstanding vehicle in its own right - isn't big enough and a Q7 is too much money.

I like the Macan, but I generally dislike the way that Porsche prices their vehicles. They charge thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars extra for features that competitors include as standard equipment.

Real - Any ETA on the upcoming XT7? I think/hope it will come out in 2019. We spoke about the XT5 a few months ago and we like it, but it's smaller than what we are use to (Acadia and Enclave).

Q7 remains an option.

 

[RU4Real]

Real - Any ETA on the upcoming XT7? I think/hope it will come out in 2019. We spoke about the XT5 a few months ago and we like it, but it's smaller than what we are use to (Acadia and Enclave).

Q7 remains an option.

Maybe 2020, but I think the product is in jeopardy at the moment as Cadillac tries to reconcile the fate of the Escalade.

 

[onerufan]

Shopping for a new car looking like its gonna be a Honda Pilot. Anyone have tips on reducing the MSRP on the vehicle? What was your Out the door price?

Tha is for the feedback!

I helped my dad buy his 2016 Honda Pilot EX L AWD. He received 7.5% off MSRP. It was the 1st year for that body style. The SUV has plenty of power. The handling response was kind of vague. The comfort and ride is alright. Don't get the Elite or Touring model because the transmissions have issues. You may want to look at the Toyota Highlander.

 

[RUSK97]

Yeah, we tend to wander around this topic after the first few posts.

Also, I just checked and apparently Cadillac has detuned the corporate 2.0T to 237 hp for the XT4. They suck. That's just lame.

Yeah, but I don’t think they’ve ruled out the possibility of a XT4-V. Can they shoehorn a 3.6L TT V6 under the hood??

 

[vandalen1]

A car today is pretty much a matter of personal choice. If you're going to lease it, lease the one you like and don't worry about it. It'll be under warranty for the entire time of the lease.

If you're going to buy it, check resale value because at some point, you'll need to trade it in on something else.

Right now,

• Subcompact SUV/Crossover: Honda HR-V, 36.3%
• Compact SUV/Crossover: Jeep Wrangler, 50.0%
• Mid-Size SUV/Crossover: Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, 58.1%
• Full-Size SUV/Crossover: Chevrolet Tahoe, 41.3%
• Luxury Compact SUV/Crossover: Porsche Macan, 40.0%
• Luxury Mid-Size SUV/Crossover: Lexus RX, 41.0%
• Luxury Full-Size SUV/Crossover: Lexus LX, 40.0

Retention figures lately. I'm surprised Jeep is even on the although they've been selling pretty well.

 

[RU4Real]

Yeah, but I don’t think they’ve ruled out the possibility of a XT4-V. Can they shoehorn a 3.6L TT V6 under the hood??

In theory they could. It's on the E2 platform and they put the 3.6 in the Regal GS. I don't think they have room for turbos and that engine doesn't appear, I don't believe, as a turbo anywhere in the GM inventory.

The 3.6 makes 335 hp in the Camaro and 310 in the Regal GS. That would be a nice output for the XT4.

 

[borochop]

The Escalade is a pig.

I've had Tahoe rentals on several occasions and find them to be generally agreeable. The Explorer should be a consideration, as well. I would strongly recommend a look at the new Volkswagen Atlas. Great driving dynamics, better fuel economy than the rest of the class.

VW Atlas has been good

Curious, VW Atlas vs Subaru Ascent. Test drove the ascent and really liked it. Pricey tho....

Love my VW’s, had 4 so far. But once I got above 100k miles, the repairs were pricey

 

[Extra Point_rivals157299]

I am thinking about getting a Honda CR-V, maybe a used one turned in after a lease. Anyone have experience with the CR-V?

 

[RUBlueLot]

GMC Yukon is what I want...huge vehicle

 

[RU4Real]

Curious, VW Atlas vs Subaru Ascent. Test drove the ascent and really liked it. Pricey tho....

Love my VW’s, had 4 so far. But once I got above 100k miles, the repairs were pricey

RU4Real's Automotive Rule #1: Keep no car beyond its warranty

The Ascent is a pleasant departure for Subaru, at least from the perspective of its ungodly predecessor. I just read that they've all been recalled for body weld faults. So... there's that.

Also, all Subarus - like all Nissans - are cursed with that evil, diabolical contraption known as the CVT. Never, ever buy a vehicle with a CVT.

The wife and I owned Subarus in our youth. A total of four of them, between us - all with manual transmissions. Bulletproof little bastards, they were. The last one, a 1991 Subaru XT, set my record for here to Pittsburgh, which stood until the Great QuickLane Bowl Cannonball of 2014. That it took an Audi A4 to beat a long-distance speed record previously owned by a Subaru says way more about the Subaru than it does about the Audi.

 

[RU4Real]

I am thinking about getting a Honda CR-V, maybe a used one turned in after a lease. Anyone have experience with the CR-V?

Do you enjoy driving? Or are you the kind of person who gives no more thought to a car than "is it gonna start in the morning?"

 

[T2Kplus10]

Maybe 2020, but I think the product is in jeopardy at the moment as Cadillac tries to reconcile the fate of the Escalade.

Hmm, that would be disappointing. We need a new SUV for the wife by next summer (her Acadia will hit 10 years and little, weird things are starting to go). The Q7 is nice, but so many we know have one. Right now, it is between the XT5 and Q7. Any other recommendations to look into? We ruled out the Cayenne (due to the wife's history of bumping into stuff from time to time! ).

 

[Extra Point_rivals157299]

Do you enjoy driving? Or are you the kind of person who gives no more thought to a car than "is it gonna start in the morning?"

I have been in the practical car category for some years now. Once in a while I will attach a small trailer to get plywood or transport a mower etc. I want to fit fishing gear in the back. I am not a fan of the CVT but figure maybe I can learn to live with it.

 

[RU4Real]

Hmm, that would be disappointing. We need a new SUV for the wife by next summer (her Acadia will hit 10 years and little, weird things are starting to go). The Q7 is nice, but so many we know have one. Right now, it is between the XT5 and Q7. Any other recommendations to look into? We ruled out the Cayenne (due to the wife's history of bumping into stuff from time to time! ).

Car & Driver says your aspiration is called the XT6, is expected to launch in LA this fall and hit dealers next spring. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2020-cadillac-xt6-spied-during-testing

 

[RU4Real]

I have been in the practical car category for some years now. Once in a while I will attach a small trailer to get plywood or transport a mower etc. I want to fit fishing gear in the back. I am not a fan of the CVT but figure maybe I can learn to live with it.

There's nothing that actually recommends the CRV. Honda reliability is largely over-hyped and their interior qualities are low-budget. The Mazda CX-5, previously discussed in this thread, is a far better vehicle.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Car & Driver says your aspiration is called the XT6, is expected to launch in LA this fall and hit dealers next spring. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2020-cadillac-xt6-spied-during-testing

Yup, that's the one we are waiting for! After buying this one, I will replace my Enclave one or two years later. Fun times! I may go modest, perhaps a Traverse, so I can finally get a mid-life crisis car as well.

 

[RU4Real]

Yup, that's the one we are waiting for! After buying this one, I will replace my Enclave one or two years later. Fun times! I may go modest, perhaps a Traverse, so I can finally get a mid-life crisis car as well.

I haven't decided on my mid-life crisis car yet. Sometime probably next year I'll sell my Audi, keep the GSW as a foul weather / tailgate car and get something truly felonious. Just haven't figured out what. I was thinking American muscle but now I'm sorta leaning toward something like a Cayman or a TT-RS

 

[Extra Point_rivals157299]

Watching the Giants game, they keep putting commercials on about the big Hyundai sale. Is the Tucson any good?

 

[RU4Real]

Watching the Giants game, they keep putting commercials on about the big Hyundai sale. Is the Tucson any good?

I've never driven one, nor do I know anybody who owns one. They're a tad underpowered, just based on specs. The Kia Sportage is still available with the corporate 2.0T (237 hp) but for some reason the Tuscon no longer is.

 

[yesrutgers01]

If you are purchasing, it is simple regardless of make or model. Save everyone time, trouble and frustration. Use true car, get best quote and then either take that deal coupon they give you or try to get an additional 500 or so off it. You are usually better off taking the deal and then try to work a deal when in finance for service or some other coverage.
Now, if you have a trade in- all bets are off. Lol

 

[T2Kplus10]

I haven't decided on my mid-life crisis car yet. Sometime probably next year I'll sell my Audi, keep the GSW as a foul weather / tailgate car and get something truly felonious. Just haven't figured out what. I was thinking American muscle but now I'm sorta leaning toward something like a Cayman or a TT-RS

I'm still down with American muscle. My big question is do I go original muscle or modern muscle. My dad's car was a 67' Vette 427, side pipes, ran in the 10's with minimal modifications. Not sure if I can fit in that one though! Also always loved the Hemi Cuda, which I why I like the modern Challenger so much (but that model has been around for a while, so I assume an update is coming soon).

 

[fsg2_rivals]

RU4Real's Automotive Rule #1: Keep no car beyond its warranty

The Ascent is a pleasant departure for Subaru, at least from the perspective of its ungodly predecessor. I just read that they've all been recalled for body weld faults. So... there's that.

Also, all Subarus - like all Nissans - are cursed with that evil, diabolical contraption known as the CVT. Never, ever buy a vehicle with a CVT.

The wife and I owned Subarus in our youth. A total of four of them, between us - all with manual transmissions. Bulletproof little bastards, they were. The last one, a 1991 Subaru XT, set my record for here to Pittsburgh, which stood until the Great QuickLane Bowl Cannonball of 2014. That it took an Audi A4 to beat a long-distance speed record previously owned by a Subaru says way more about the Subaru than it does about the Audi.

This beauty could be the solution for the "perfect car" you were looking for a while back. Fiery little estate, but not sure it has room for a full tailgate kit.

 

[RU4Real]

I'm still down with American muscle. My big question is do I go original muscle or modern muscle. My dad's car was a 67' Vette 427, side pipes, ran in the 10's with minimal modifications. Not sure if I can fit in that one though! Also always loved the Hemi Cuda, which I why I like the modern Challenger so much (but that model has been around for a while, so I assume an update is coming soon).

I honestly don't know what's going to happen to the Charger / Challenger. Both of those cars sit on a Mercedes platform that's 15 years old. They're due for replacement, but FCA isn't in very good shape. The future of Dodge cars is uncertain. This is a shame, because they've had that beautiful (still) 'Cuda design on the drafting table for almost 10 years now, and they've never built it.

 

[24Babybull]

Buy American - give an American a job!

 

[RU4Real]

Buy American - give an American a job!

You don't know how cars are made, do you?

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Buy American - give an American a job!

Or foreign since the car might just be built here, is sold through a local dealership, and probably has its US headquarters in NJ.

 

[24Babybull]

My GMC Sierra was built in Fort Wayne, Indiana - wherever they are paying slave wages in the South - they are building Honda's and Toyotas.

So yah - I know where my truck was built - smart guy!

 

[RU4Real]

My GMC Sierra was built in Fort Wayne, Indiana - wherever they are paying slave wages in the South - they are building Honda's and Toyotas.

So yah - I know where my truck was built - smart guy!

Your GMC Sierra doesn't even make the Top 10 list for U.S. content (46% U.S.).

There's more to the equation than assembly.

And FYI, the factories in the south are typically paying higher wages. And building better cars. Every BMW SUV sold in the world is built in South Carolina.

So, again... you don't know how this works.

 

[24Babybull]

The Globalist's are all here - of course the parts are not made here...why is that? Cause they gutted our manufacturing.

When you buy a Japanese car or South Korean car or German where does the money go after taxes...it goes back to Japan, South Korea. Germany not the US.

Any idiot knows that...

 

[RU4Real]

The Globalist's are all here - of course the parts are not made here...why is that? Cause they gutted our manufacturing.

When you buy a Japanese car or South Korean car or German where does the money go after taxes...it goes back to Japan, South Korea. Germany not the US.

Any idiot knows that...

You're an idiot.

Your 46% U.S. content GMC truck compares to, for example, the Honda Civic. The 2-door is manufactured in Canada - of 60% U.S. content. The 4 door is manufactured in Japan - of 60% U.S. content.

Take a knee, meat. You're out of your league.

 

[czxqa]

I haven't decided on my mid-life crisis car yet. Sometime probably next year I'll sell my Audi, keep the GSW as a foul weather / tailgate car and get something truly felonious. Just haven't figured out what. I was thinking American muscle but now I'm sorta leaning toward something like a Cayman or a TT-RS

May I suggest a Cullinan?

 

[e5fdny]

This beauty could be the solution for the "perfect car" you were looking for a while back. Fiery little estate, but not sure it has room for a full tailgate kit.

Go on...

 

[RUforester72]

Had my Pilot for 6 years and 125,000 miles with no problems. Handles great in snow and ice. Had it on cross country trips twice in last 2 years. No problems!

 

[Knight Shift]

I'm going to be getting either a CX-3 or Mazda3 hatch for my next car I think.

wait for the HCCI engine in the Mazda 3 2019.

 

[TonyVolt]

I’m trading in my Lexus GS and getting a Wrangler Sahara. I just test drove it. It’s awesome. I want to run stuff over. I need something new.

 

[LevaosLectures]

wait for the HCCI engine in the Mazda 3 2019.

My old car might not make it until then but I'll look into it lol.