OT: Moving from Jackson to Jacksonville

[Chris Mannix]

Yes I did say it, and yes I stand behind it. So, outside of the Bible, list your
evidence?

Is it fair to keep evolution out of schools?

I cant decide if this a serious question or not. I am going to assume it is. Let me guess you are going to tell me that evolution is not real just like I said Jesus is not real? If you really think this way, then continuing to converse would only be a waste of our time.

Finally to answer the question directly, of course evolution should not be kept out of schools. The difference is religion has a place to be taught, it is called a church. We have separation of church and state, or at least we are suppose to. Evolution, unlike religion, has a place in schools as a scientific theory.

I mean come on dawg you can poke holes in evolution all you want but be real. Christian religion has a few huge holes, examples include:
Talking animals
Women having babies into their hundreds
People living until they are hundreds of years old
A talking bush
People being eaten by whales and surviving
Global floods that mean we are all basically cousins
All the animals on earth fitting in one boat in a two by two pattern
Shall I keep going?

But hey keep in mind, if I am wrong then a huge half man half goat creature is going to chase me around with a pitch fork somewhere near the earths core.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

half man half goat creature

No, that's pan, or to his friends, Mr. Tumnus. He carries no pitchfork.

In before the lock.

Also, you are a very high strung dude.

 

[Madison Swinger]

I grew up in MS and was constantly looking for a way to move back until recently. Just got tired if trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. After flight school, I relocated my family to Huntsville, AL due to a job. Not the job I wanted or the location I'd always planned on, but it was a job that could provide. Fast forward two years. I've tried multiple times to find a job closer to where "home." Each time has failed...either due to lack of qualification, interest, or plain, old-fashioned "good ol' boy" politics. Fine, I'll quit my bitching and settle here in HSV. The schools are DRASTICALLY better, the quality of living is DRASTICALLY better, the city itself is MUCH cleaner; and I've got a skill-set which can grow here. MSU/OM/USM are churning out graduates that are qualified in areas which MS barely supports. If MS does support that job market, much better options are available to the graduates than Jackson (just using the city as a reference.) Sure, there's small niches of opportunity if your timing is right...but overall, there is nothing in the state that is enticing enough for them to stay there.
You can't tell me, don't get me wrong...I love my homestate, but you can't tell me that if you live in Jackson/metro area, you don't purposefully avoid areas due to high crime or just overall trashy appearance. You don't go out after a certain time of night and, if you do, you keep it short/sweet/to the point. If you do live in the area, you can't tell me that you haven't had at least one occurrence of thinking, "if I could get out of here, I would."
Why would a college graduate, who has all the opportunity in the world, decide to stay in Jackson and risk having to career-hop due to a declining atmosphere?
People can ***** and moan all they want about "oh, there's more people leaving MS...." Yeah, they're leaving...the state is tanking, can you blame them? would you leave if you had the opportunity?
My father in law said it best. "It's great to be FROM Mississippi....its ain't great to be IN Mississippi."
Leaving is hard, but would you rather roll the dice and see if you can make it somewhere else or put all your eggs in one basket and tie yourself to a potentially sinking ship?

Well yeah if you are comparing Huntsville to Waynesboro

Mississippi has some very nice areas, Memphis suburbs, Tupelo, Starkville, Oxford, Madison, Brandon, Coast, Hattiesburg

 

[RotorHead]

Are you referring to the term evolution in lieu of adaptation?
I fully believe that God sent his son to this earth in order to die for us and atone for our sins in the process. No ifs/ands/buts about it. However, I do not believe in evolution, but do support the notion of adaptation. I.E, the foundation of humanity occurred in Mesopotamia, somewhere in vicinity of modern day Iraq (s. of Baghdad) between the tigris and Euphrates river. As people populated the earth and moved around, adaptation occurred due to different climates, altitudes, etc...
Speaking to your flood comment. EVERY SINGLE RELIGION on this planet supports the fact that a massive flood occurred at one singular point. Christians, Muslims, the Mayans in S/C America, they all support that notion...so, is that religion in that it is primarily referenced in religious culture, or is it science due to the fact that it is scientifically supported?
Molecularly speaking, there are strands of DNA that literally have exponentially less than a septillionth of a chance of occurring on their own. Look up Stephen C. Meyer...he'll do a much better of job than I of explaining why Religion (Christianity) can exist without science, but science cannot exist without religion

 

[HumpDawgy]

Right now we are thinking about the Avondale/Riverside area and sending our son to Bishop Kenny HC (I think Travis Chapman, Papelbon, and Pat McMahon went there). Or, moving into the Fleming Island area. St Johns county seems awesome, but damn, it's growing.

St. Johns is definitely growing in the north part just across county line. The public schools are better overall in North St. Johns County which is why the north side of the county is booming. Nocatee is a huge development along the county line outside of Ponte Vedra. A lot of development along Racetrack road as well.

 

[lasher8]

Can you explain how myths become facts through prophecy?

Not being sarcastic...I'm genuinely interested in hearing this.

Did you just say there is almost no factual evidence of Jesus? There is more factual evidence on Jesus than any other man on earth. Can you explain how myths become facts through prophecy?

I am not going to rip you apart for being atheist but for being factually distorted.

So is it fair to keep evolution out of schools?

To the OP, sorry this went sideways.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

those nice areas are just nicish when compared to other states. i don't really consider Brandon, Starkville, Oxford, Madison, or Hattiesburg to be that nice. they are nicer than some areas around them. i guess nice is also relative.

 

[Chris Mannix]

That is correct, I am basically saying that evolution and adaptation are the same thing. It is kind of like the different ways to say the word tomato argument for me. The fact that all major religions have a similar story could point to one of two things. First, a global event that was experienced by all people on earth in the form of a flood. Does this mean that a sky God sent the flood because people were wicked? I do not buy that. It might be one of those naturally occurring global weather events that had nothing to do with religion. Second, it could also indicate that many of the major religions borrowed stories from each other. You know like how the idea of a savior had basically started in the regions of the Middle East you are talking about. That idea bounced around the region and became Muhammad, Jesus, Mithra ( a lesser known Persian god I do believe), Osiris, and basically every savior story from the region followed the same narrative pattern. I have read Meyer as part of a doctoral program I am currently working in. I do not think I have read the article you are referencing, would love to read it if you have a link.

 

[Madison Swinger]

those nice areas are just nicish when compared to other states. i don't really consider Brandon, Starkville, Oxford, Madison, or Hattiesburg to be that nice. they are nicer than some areas around them. i guess nice is also relative.

You are also one of the most critical, miserable posters on this message board and likely do not get laid often

 

[Madison Swinger]

That is correct, I am basically saying that evolution and adaptation are the same thing. It is kind of like the different ways to say the word tomato argument for me. The fact that all major religions have a similar story could point to one of two things. First, a global event that was experienced by all people on earth in the form of a flood. Does this mean that a sky God sent the flood because people were wicked? I do not buy that. It might be one of those naturally occurring global weather events that had nothing to do with religion. Second, it could also indicate that many of the major religions borrowed stories from each other. You know like how the idea of a savior had basically started in the regions of the Middle East you are talking about. That idea bounced around the region and became Muhammad, Jesus, Mithra ( a lesser known Persian god I do believe), Osiris, and basically every savior story from the region followed the same narrative pattern. I have read Meyer as part of a doctoral program I am currently working in. I do not think I have read the article you are referencing, would love to read it if you have a link.

Bro I doubt you would believe it if you had the evidence, seeing how there is tons of historical evidence that supports the fact that Jesus actually rose from the dead

that is the distinguishing factor

I am guessing you will want me to quote some obscure link, no thanks, you can read the numerous books yourself, you can start with The Case For Christ

 

[lasher8]

Are you sure about this(bold words)?

Additionally, even if every religion supports this "fact", that doesn't address the biblical story of Noah and his Ark and every single species on earth _ male and female - being brought aboard and subsequently released after the flood. He wasn't arguing the occurrence of a flood but rather the story of the flood told in the Bible.

Are you referring to the term evolution in lieu of adaptation?
I fully believe that God sent his son to this earth in order to die for us and atone for our sins in the process. No ifs/ands/buts about it. However, I do not believe in evolution, but do support the notion of adaptation. I.E, the foundation of humanity occurred in Mesopotamia, somewhere in vicinity of modern day Iraq (s. of Baghdad) between the tigris and Euphrates river. As people populated the earth and moved around, adaptation occurred due to different climates, altitudes, etc...
Speaking to your flood comment. EVERY SINGLE RELIGION on this planet supports the fact that a massive flood occurred at one singular point. Christians, Muslims, the Mayans in S/C America, they all support that notion...so, is that religion in that it is primarily referenced in religious culture, or is it science due to the fact that it is scientifically supported?
Molecularly speaking, there are strands of DNA that literally have exponentially less than a septillionth of a chance of occurring on their own. Look up Stephen C. Meyer...he'll do a much better of job than I of explaining why Religion (Christianity) can exist without science, but science cannot exist without religion

 

[johnson86-1]

You are also one of the most critical, miserable posters on this message board and likely do not get laid often

I will throw in with Trojandawg on this one. Starkville and Oxford are nice little college towns, if you want a small town. I would agree that while Brandon, Madison, and Hattiesburg are perfectly good places to live where you can have a great quality of life, they're not exactly jewels.

But I will cop to also being critical and not getting laid often (enough). I'm not sure I'd say I'm miserable.

 

[mstateglfr]

Of course, if “progress”, a possible by-product of re-gentrification, means turning from Faith in Christ and Him Crucified and Risen, I’d just as soon Mississippi stay the “backwards” Bible Belt State that it is now. So I guess “progress” is a relative term.

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wow that went off the rails quickly.


Clutching to that selectively chosen Word of God while bemoaning the condition of your state is quite ironic. <---- Hey @blacklistedbully where are you when i have a joke about irony?!?

 

[RotorHead]

https://www.discovery.org/v/stephen-meyer-interviewed-on-ben-shapiros-sunday-special/

The interview I'm referencing was a Podcast (Sunday Special 43 w/ Ben Shapiro). The link above is basically the times at which questions were asked and what the questions were. I found it very interesting. I cannot access youtube at work, but sure you can find it on youtube if you google it.

 

[johnson86-1]

Didn’t mean to sound hostile, at all. I was also not trying to say anything bad about Brusier. Just my thoughts on the subject, I am most likely wrong and will be easily dismissed.

Yea, you're pretty much wrong, at least on some of it.

If you want to help realize that most of the ideas that modern Christian religion is based on are intellectually embarrassing Bronze Age myths. It is amazing to me that people will say I believe in Jesus but not global warming. One of these things has almost no factual basis for proven existence, the other is global warming.

Now rip me apart for being an atheist, or tell me that you will be praying for me.

 

[mstateglfr]

I love my homestate, but you can't tell me that if you live in Jackson/metro area, you don't purposefully avoid areas due to high crime or just overall trashy appearance.

There are very few cities that this wouldnt apply to. Its hardly unique to Jackson MS.

A similar sized city in a similarly agrarian state, Des Moines, is more educated, wealthier, and safer- but there are still places I avoid due to crime/apperance(mostly appearance...there just isnt anything there that would give me reason to visit).
Chicago, MPLS, KC, etc etc all have places I would avoide due to high crime or overall trashy appearance. seriously- it applies everywhere.

Not saying your post was in any way wrong, just that selected part isnt reason to not live in Jackson.

 

[Madison Swinger]

I will throw in with Trojandawg on this one. Starkville and Oxford are nice little college towns, if you want a small town. I would agree that while Brandon, Madison, and Hattiesburg are perfectly good places to live where you can have a great quality of life, they're not exactly jewels.

But I will cop to also being critical and not getting laid often (enough). I'm not sure I'd say I'm miserable.

Not surprising, most of the people who leave Mississippi are the most critical of it, and I really do not understand why, it is as if you want it to fail

Well genius MSU would go down with it if it did

 

[johnson86-1]

Yes I did say it, and yes I stand behind it. So, outside of the Bible, list your
evidence?

Is it fair to keep evolution out of schools?

I cant decide if this a serious question or not. I am going to assume it is. Let me guess you are going to tell me that evolution is not real just like I said Jesus is not real? If you really think this way, then continuing to converse would only be a waste of our time.

Finally to answer the question directly, of course evolution should not be kept out of schools. The difference is religion has a place to be taught, it is called a church. We have separation of church and state, or at least we are suppose to. Evolution, unlike religion, has a place in schools as a scientific theory.

I mean come on dawg you can poke holes in evolution all you want but be real. Christian religion has a few huge holes, examples include:
Talking animals

You're a talking animal.

Women having babies into their hundreds
People living until they are hundreds of years old

That's consistent across a lot of historical texts. Whether they actually lived that long, or used a different system to count for age, or we just screwed up translation somewhere.

A talking bush
People being eaten by whales and surviving
Global floods that mean we are all basically cousins

are we not all basically cousins if we evolved from a single cell organism?

All the animals on earth fitting in one boat in a two by two pattern
Shall I keep going?

But hey keep in mind, if I am wrong then a huge half man half goat creature is going to chase me around with a pitch fork somewhere near the earths core.

 

[ShrubDog]

Are you sure about this(bold words)?

Additionally, even if every religion supports this "fact", that doesn't address the biblical story of Noah and his Ark and every single species on earth _ male and female - being brought aboard and subsequently released after the flood. He wasn't arguing the occurrence of a flood but rather the story of the flood told in the Bible.

What does that have anything to do with the fact he said there is more evidence of global warming than Jesus.

We are waiting on the facts.

 

[ShrubDog]

Can you explain how myths become facts through prophecy?

Not being sarcastic...I'm genuinely interested in hearing this.

I can’t explain it but Chris Mannix can, he is a professor.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

my wife would disagree with you on that one.

sounds like you must not get laid often.

 

[Miketice]

Bro I doubt you would believe it if you had the evidence, seeing how there is tons of historical evidence that supports the fact that Jesus actually rose from the dead

that is the distinguishing factor

I am guessing you will want me to quote some obscure link, no thanks, you can read the numerous books yourself, you can start with The Case For Christ

Swinging for Christ eh?JK

 

[Madison Swinger]

Swinging for Christ eh?JK

hahaha what can I say bro I'm a sinner

 

[seshomoru]

Some of y'all are really 17ing this board up.

Last chance.