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EagleDawg97

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Wife has been riding some with a high school girlfriend of hers, and wants us to get bikes. Any recommendations? I don’t want to spend thousands, but I would be ok with $750ish each.

They will be used for mostly low key trail rides and a few established trails around south MS. We don’t plan on doing 6ft drops or ramping, just in case you were wondering.
 

Dawgbite

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Wife has been riding some with a high school girlfriend of hers, and wants us to get bikes. Any recommendations? I don’t want to spend thousands, but I would be ok with $750ish each.

They will be used for mostly low key trail rides and a few established trails around south MS. We don’t plan on doing 6ft drops or ramping, just in case you were wondering.
I’ve owned both Trek and Specialized bikes and they are good quality bikes. Keep a check on Craig’s List, especially in college towns, I have bought 500-750 dollar bikes for 150-200. Students tend to sell at the end of the spring semester and buy new in the fall or when they graduate. They are prone to buy a bike thinking they will use it only to discover that it’s just in the way. A lot of people are transitioning to e bikes now as well. Considering it myself.
 

Dawgbite

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Make sure they have front and rear suspension and you should be fine.
Front suspension is very common, rear not as much. My Treks have a suspension seat post and it’s fine for what I do.
 

AlSwearengen

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I’ve had a few different styles. For what you are wanting to do, you dont need a bike with rear suspension (that will save you a good bit right there). If you think you might eventually ride rougher trails, look for a 29” hard tail bike. The bigger wheels will smooth things out some.

I had a specialized cross country full suspension that was good for MS but the rear suspension got a little wonky over time and I had to have it serviced. It had a lock out feature but I was always wishing that I had just gotten a hard tail bike.

I currently have a Rocky Mountain trail bike that I bought when I thought I was moving to north GA. That thing has way too much suspension for MS and is miserable to ride around here. Therefore, I never ride it unless we go to the mountains with good trails.
 

Rezdog

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My advice, find the lightest hard tail (front suspension only) you can for that price range. The problem right now is that everyone is buying bikes so it will be difficult to find one at your local bike shop. I wouldn't waste my money on a bike from Walmart or Dick's. They are extremely heavy and genuinely just crap. You will hate it and never ride. Trek and Specialized have very nice entry level hard tail bikes.
 

mstateglfr

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For a budget of $750, you will be best to look at quality used or consider smaller brands.

- Full suspension at that price will be a pile of **** thrown together. No shops even sell full suspension at that price and for a reason.
- Forks that come on bikes for $750 and less are spring instead of air- this means they are heavier and cant be tuned as well. Not all spring forks are bad, but most spring forks are underwhelmingly designed.
- You dont need full suspension to have fun on trails. You also dont need aggressive enduro/downhill geometry to have fun on the trails. In fact, if you ride trails that are relatively twisty, then the modern MTB geometry(slack head tube) may be frustrating because at slower speeds its like driving a tank when you want to drive a fiat.
- a 1x drivetrain where there is only 1 ring on the front is great for MTB and especially beginner riders as there is less thinking about what and when to shift. 1x is still usually on mid-upper level models though.
- hydraulic disc brakes come in many levels of quality from **** to great. My kids have some pretty basic Shimano Hydraulic brakes that work great- they are Alivio level which is pretty entry. Just an fyi to not expect all Hydraulic brakes to work great(especially entry level tektro and promax brand).

**in general, bicycle supply is seriously low right now. between china being shut down from their new year thru the end of covid combined with a serious increase in demand due to life otherwise being shut down- a lot of people want bikes this spring. Multiple shops around me are nearly sold out of anything under $1500, regardless of if its road, MTB, gravel, or kids. While a list of suggestions is below, who knows what your local shops have in stock. Its best to see what they have in stock in your size, then research that. A general rule- nothing at a bike shop will have the value(either lower cost or higher spec components) of online, but the bike shop is great for beginners because they can provide in person advice and assistance to reduce confusion.


In your budget-
Giant Talon 2- its older geometry, but that means it isnt long and slack in the front center and could be excellent for the riding you describe.
Cannondale Trail 5
Trek Marlin 7

A bit over your budget-
Kona Mahuna
COOP DRT 1.2
Marin Bobcat Trail 5
Trek Roscoe 6
Kona Blast

Edited to add- forgot to list the Jamis models. Hipoint and hijack are their 29er and 27.5 models that have quality components for the price. One offering is within budget and one is just above budget for each model. The geometry is not extreme too.
 
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biguglyjoe

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For a budget of $750, you will be best to look at quality used or consider smaller brands.

- Full suspension at that price will be a pile of **** thrown together. No shops even sell full suspension at that price and for a reason.
- Forks that come on bikes for $750 and less are spring instead of air- this means they are heavier and cant be tuned as well. Not all spring forks are bad, but most spring forks are underwhelmingly designed.
- You dont need full suspension to have fun on trails. You also dont need aggressive enduro/downhill geometry to have fun on the trails. In fact, if you ride trails that are relatively twisty, then the modern MTB geometry(slack head tube) may be frustrating because at slower speeds its like driving a tank when you want to drive a fiat.
- a 1x drivetrain where there is only 1 ring on the front is great for MTB and especially beginner riders as there is less thinking about what and when to shift. 1x is still usually on mid-upper level models though.
- hydraulic disc brakes come in many levels of quality from **** to great. My kids have some pretty basic Shimano Hydraulic brakes that work great- they are Alivio level which is pretty entry. Just an fyi to not expect all Hydraulic brakes to work great(especially entry level tektro and promax brand).

**in general, bicycle supply is seriously low right now. between china being shut down from their new year thru the end of covid combined with a serious increase in demand due to life otherwise being shut down- a lot of people want bikes this spring. Multiple shops around me are nearly sold out of anything under $1500, regardless of if its road, MTB, gravel, or kids. While a list of suggestions is below, who knows what your local shops have in stock. Its best to see what they have in stock in your size, then research that. A general rule- nothing at a bike shop will have the value(either lower cost or higher spec components) of online, but the bike shop is great for beginners because they can provide in person advice and assistance to reduce confusion.


In your budget-
Giant Talon 2- its older geometry, but that means it isnt long and slack in the front center and could be excellent for the riding you describe.
Cannondale Trail 5
Trek Marlin 7

A bit over your budget-
Kona Mahuna
COOP DRT 1.2
Marin Bobcat Trail 5
Trek Roscoe 6
Kona Blast
^^^Good advice and recommendations. I will add that some bike shops will try to push you toward what they have on the floor instead of what fits you better or what you tell them you need. Beware the upsell. A hard tail will serve you well. You get better components for the money. Unless you found a full suspension on closeout, I would question the quality of its components. A little research on YouTube will go a long way.
 

EagleDawg97

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Thanks folks, and keep it coming. I was already kinda leaning towards the Giant Talon or the COOP DRT.
 

The Maroon Pug

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For a budget of $750, you will be best to look at quality used or consider smaller brands.

- Full suspension at that price will be a pile of **** thrown together. No shops even sell full suspension at that price and for a reason.
- Forks that come on bikes for $750 and less are spring instead of air- this means they are heavier and cant be tuned as well. Not all spring forks are bad, but most spring forks are underwhelmingly designed.
- You dont need full suspension to have fun on trails. You also dont need aggressive enduro/downhill geometry to have fun on the trails. In fact, if you ride trails that are relatively twisty, then the modern MTB geometry(slack head tube) may be frustrating because at slower speeds its like driving a tank when you want to drive a fiat.
- a 1x drivetrain where there is only 1 ring on the front is great for MTB and especially beginner riders as there is less thinking about what and when to shift. 1x is still usually on mid-upper level models though.
- hydraulic disc brakes come in many levels of quality from **** to great. My kids have some pretty basic Shimano Hydraulic brakes that work great- they are Alivio level which is pretty entry. Just an fyi to not expect all Hydraulic brakes to work great(especially entry level tektro and promax brand).

**in general, bicycle supply is seriously low right now. between china being shut down from their new year thru the end of covid combined with a serious increase in demand due to life otherwise being shut down- a lot of people want bikes this spring. Multiple shops around me are nearly sold out of anything under $1500, regardless of if its road, MTB, gravel, or kids. While a list of suggestions is below, who knows what your local shops have in stock. Its best to see what they have in stock in your size, then research that. A general rule- nothing at a bike shop will have the value(either lower cost or higher spec components) of online, but the bike shop is great for beginners because they can provide in person advice and assistance to reduce confusion.


In your budget-
Giant Talon 2- its older geometry, but that means it isnt long and slack in the front center and could be excellent for the riding you describe.
Cannondale Trail 5
Trek Marlin 7

A bit over your budget-
Kona Mahuna
COOP DRT 1.2
Marin Bobcat Trail 5
Trek Roscoe 6
Kona Blast

Edited to add- forgot to list the Jamis models. Hipoint and hijack are their 29er and 27.5 models that have quality components for the price. One offering is within budget and one is just above budget for each model. The geometry is not extreme too.

Adding on some to what mstateglfr has posted (which is very close to what I was typing up), be sure you keep maintenance up on the bikes (chain lube, cassette cleaner/degreaser, fork upkeep) and a hardtail will last you a good while. That was my biggest mistake when I got into MTB. Also, some videos with good info below:



[video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSRoQULvvI[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/user/parktoolcompany/videos?view=0&sort=p&shelf_id=5

 

Dawg1976

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I love biking when down on the AL coast(Backcountry Trails). Wish I had started when I was young but I'm an old geezer so the paved mostly flat trails are good for me. I have an Electra Townie 7D which is considered a cruiser bike. Some refer to it as a beach bike. But whatever you buy ride the Backcountry Trails when you are there. Has 27 miles of paved paths.
 

The Peeper

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Quick thoughts. Buy from a local shop so you can be measured and get service, in other words stay away from mail order. Once measured, order what fits, not what "will fit" thats on the showroom floor. Otherwise, why get measured? I've got a Trek that's probably close to 20 years old. Never spent a penny on anything other than service and some Schwalbe puncture resistant tires (haven't had a flat since either). Don't buy a bunch of accessories right off the bat, ride it for awhile and see what you will actually want, not what the shop wants to sell you. That stuff is much cheaper online too unless you just want to support your local shop and there's nothing wrong with that either. Hope you and the Mrs like them and they don't turn into something you hang from the garage ceiling and hope the kids will ride when they get old/tall enough.
 

Bcash2

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In general, for the best price go with a large manufacturer like Giant or Specialized. I recently upgraded my bike and the Giant was best deal out there because they make almost every piece of the bike themselves.
 

basedawg

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I ride a lot, I have a Giant Cypress which I have had for about 6 years. I ride 25 to 35 miles 4 or 5 times a week, I'm looking at buying a gravel bike, seems your wife would or could be suited for this type bike.
 

EagleDawg97

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Local shops near me are very very low on stock.

They have a few to fit my wife, but the cheapest in a large frame for me is starting around $1600.

I have a hunk of crap I could ride if we find her one, until they get some more in stock. I am hearing August until they get stocked back up. They said they have sold a ton of bikes in the last 4 months.

specialized rockhopper?
 
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basedawg

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Local shops near me are very very low on stock.

They have a few to fit my wife, but the cheapest in a large frame for me is starting around $1600.

I have a hunk of crap I could ride is we find her one, until they get some more in stock. I am hearing August until they get stocked back up. They said they have sold a ton of bikes in the last 4 months.

I'm all for bike shops, but I have been researching bikesdirect, I had my bike guy from the bike shop to check out some specs on a few bikes I am interested. He said his shop couldn't match it with cost and parts on the bikes I showed him. 60% off retail.
 

mstateglfr

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I ride a lot, I have a Giant Cypress which I have had for about 6 years. I ride 25 to 35 miles 4 or 5 times a week, I'm looking at buying a gravel bike, seems your wife would or could be suited for this type bike.

I am continually happy that gravel bikes have taken off. The gravel segment is so wide with what qualifies that you get some that lean more MTB(Evil Chamois Hagar) and some that lean more paved road(Cervelo Aspero), then everything else between.
It is a fantastic segment since most people dont race and dont do anything extreme on singletrack.

I cant remember the last time I used the term 'quiver killer', but for those who dont have the money, or interest, or space to own multiple bikes- a gravel bike is about the closest thing to a quiver killer.
I rode mine a couple days ago on some river bottom singletrack with my wife- its twisty and we arent moving fast, so the bike is perfect. I use it when I go with my kids to ride most of the singletrack around me since its predominantly twisting river bottom routing.
It obviously excels on gravel and with over 70,000mi of unpaved roads in my state, there is plenty to explore.
And the geometry I chose makes it fun to ride on paved roads too. With a tire change, it would be just as fast as any of my road bikes.
 

mstateglfr

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Local shops near me are very very low on stock.

They have a few to fit my wife, but the cheapest in a large frame for me is starting around $1600.

I have a hunk of crap I could ride if we find her one, until they get some more in stock. I am hearing August until they get stocked back up. They said they have sold a ton of bikes in the last 4 months.

specialized rockhopper?

There are a few different levels of rockhopper, but i dont think any versions are much over $1000. $1600 is surprising, but Specialized may have come out with some higher level option...though that would just compete with other models in their MTB line.

Anyways, a rockhopper expert is solid- it has a good entry 12speed drivetrain, a solid Judy fork, and tubeless tires. The glaring oddity is quick release wheels. Thats an obvious place where costs were cut in order to hit a price point.

I would call around and be willing to drive if someone has a good option in my size. A few hours in the car is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
...or if you want to get crazy as a beginner, trust a quality online site to size you properly for a $1000 bike that is better equipped than anything in stores. You can call too for guidance- https://www.fezzari.com/cross-country/wasatch-peak-comp-29


Good luck either way and hopefully you guys have some fun!
 

basedawg

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I am continually happy that gravel bikes have taken off. The gravel segment is so wide with what qualifies that you get some that lean more MTB(Evil Chamois Hagar) and some that lean more paved road(Cervelo Aspero), then everything else between.
It is a fantastic segment since most people dont race and dont do anything extreme on singletrack.

I cant remember the last time I used the term 'quiver killer', but for those who dont have the money, or interest, or space to own multiple bikes- a gravel bike is about the closest thing to a quiver killer.
I rode mine a couple days ago on some river bottom singletrack with my wife- its twisty and we arent moving fast, so the bike is perfect. I use it when I go with my kids to ride most of the singletrack around me since its predominantly twisting river bottom routing.
It obviously excels on gravel and with over 70,000mi of unpaved roads in my state, there is plenty to explore.
And the geometry I chose makes it fun to ride on paved roads too. With a tire change, it would be just as fast as any of my road bikes.

Yes to Gravel Bikes, they are very versatile and they can be ridden on any surface plus there durability or toughness is a factor. Plenty fast enough for me as well but the comfort level is more important.
 

eckie1

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I’d highly recommend the entry level Specialized Rockhopper...

Wife has been riding some with a high school girlfriend of hers, and wants us to get bikes. Any recommendations? I don’t want to spend thousands, but I would be ok with $750ish each.

They will be used for mostly low key trail rides and a few established trails around south MS. We don’t plan on doing 6ft drops or ramping, just in case you were wondering.

I got it a few years ago at a bike shop for about $600, and it was the prior year’s model. Has 29” wheels, front suspension (which can be turned on/off) and hydraulic disc brakes. I ride it around my neighborhood mostly, and it’s perfect for that. Does great on the trails, as well.... great for most any terrain.
 

Sienfield

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I love biking when down on the AL coast(Backcountry Trails). Wish I had started when I was young but I'm an old geezer so the paved mostly flat trails are good for me. I have an Electra Townie 7D which is considered a cruiser bike. Some refer to it as a beach bike. But whatever you buy ride the Backcountry Trails when you are there. Has 27 miles of paved paths.

I tried to order one of those twice but both got canceled because of lack of stock. No e bikes in stores that I could find. I ended up buying an XTreme bike and so far os good. The e bikes are great for up hill assist.
 

ColoradoDawg

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Go with a Trek or Specialized hard tail. If you aren't doing anything crazy no need to spend crazy money. The Specialized Rock Hopper is a great suggestion. Depending on where you live, check craigslist. Just a warning, don't go with a Walmart bike. It will be broken within a few rides.
 

SwampDawg

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Dialog from Pearls Before Swine: Rat says "How can you find out if somebody rides a bike?" Pig says "How?" Rat says "Give them about a minute and they'll tell you."
 

Bcash2

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Also, try PinkBike.com . It’s a great online bike marketplace. If you generally know what you want, you can find good deals on there.
 
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