OT: MLB lockout
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Ain't gonna be no miracle. Manfred is having a news conference now to blame the players.
My guess. Settle by April 1, begin a 140 game season on May 1.
This is known as killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.
We'll be lucky to get a 140 games. The baseball players union is the worse (or best if you are a player) in sports. Nothing is ever easy with them.
Billionaires and millionaires duking it out. I guess they never learned the lessons from 1994.
Why even own a team when everything you do ruins the sport
Need to start a curling league this Spring to replace MLB. Both are equally exciting.
Billionaires, yes. Some players are millionaires. Others aspire to be but will never get there.
The billionaires most certainly did learn the primary lesson (from their perspective) from 1994. That is - don't let players begin the season without a labor agreement in place. Lock them out instead.
Did anyone actually believe these boneheads would make a deal. They couldn't even put their pettiness aside to have a halfway decent season while everyone was in lockdown,and needed a distraction, in 2020. Now with no outside pressure to settle, this may go on a long long time.
You are way overreacting.
More like the small market owners deciding that it's worth it to them to sacrifice a month of games at a time of year when interest is relatively low anyway.
Which is to say, it is the best union in sports.
the old saying holds true.
Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
In 1994 the players wouldn't play ( strike) and lost many MLB fan's support and came out the bad guys
Now the owners aren't allowing the players to play, and the fans will be looking at them with distain when they realize the owners caused the play to stop because they locked the players out.
How anyone would side with the owners on this one is beyond me.
The players are 100% right to ask for a generous increase in the luxury tax. The owners want it to be stagnant for years while the players want it to increase significantly year to year. The penalties being proposed by the owners for going over the limit are absurd.
You have a guy like Hal Steinbrenner who owns a team worth 5 billion dollars and is interested in tying his team's hands and limiting his team's ability to spend their revenue on payroll. His Dad would be ashamed of him. The goal is to win and not maximize profits.
The players are 100% right to ask for a generous increase in the luxury tax. The owners want it to be stagnant for years while the players want it to increase significantly year to year. The penalties being proposed by the owners for going over the limit are absurd.
You have a guy like Hal Steinbrenner who owns a team worth 5 billion dollars and is interested in tying his team's hands and limiting his team's ability to spend their revenue on payroll. His Dad would be ashamed of him. The goal is to win and not maximize profits.
fans might not think anyone learned and the owners might have pushed casual fans away from
planing to attend a few games like they usually did.
I usaed to be a big fan attending games a lot.
1994 made me look for other interests during the season.
This time not losing much with fans like me who go to a few games a hear.
But might lose from the fans that tried to make a lot of games and might look for other things to do during the games missed and then feel they didn't miss the game as much as they thought they would.
From being a little tyke taken to Ebbets field and Polo Grounds and having wide eyed excitement over MLB most of my life going to games with friends and family , 1994 found me less excited when all was said and done and became w more of a casual fan.
MLB replaced me easily and probably will replace the new breed of fans, but many will lose their loyalty and go to less games because of feeling owners don't care about the fans like back in 1994 people felt the players didn't care.
You're probably right, but I;m having a hard time thinking they learned a good lesson unless you're saying the players learned not to make the move that stops the game
I don't agree. Labor strife turns fans off, and baseball has enough of a problem with that already. In addition, this is clearly not the small market owners acting alone; it's all the owners, large and small.
When in doubt, root against the union. That is always the right answer!
The only good union is a busted union! Until the MLBPA agrees to a revenue split/salary cap system like all other major sports have, they can go f themselves. That's the problem with the baseball.
Isn't that anti-capitalism? You limit the earning potential of the players.
You know I'm f*cking with you.
Split revenue 50-50. The MLBPA can then solely figure out the best system for player salaries and structure. Seems like a way the players can take control of their livelihood.Isn't that anti-capitalism? You limit the earning potential of the players.
You know I'm f*cking with you.
Who needs baseball when we have the USFL to look forward to?
Didn't watch one game last year. Couldn't care less. And I used to watch MLB all the time.
Even if the Patriots and BlueClaws don't play we have 2 independent teams who will play, the Sussex Miners and New Jersey Jackals. Not the best ball but keeps me entertained on a Saturday night.
MLB's revenue split is a massive split in favor of the owners side.
Well, their Instagram makes it seem like they are not affected by this.
I miss the Thunder, btw.
I think the Thunder are a college type team thingy now.
Baseball players are some of the highest paid athletes in the world. Very few players in MLB aren’t millionaires. The average salary last season was $4.2MM.
Forbes’ estimates have MLB clubs in the black at an average earnings ( before interest ,taxes , depreciation and the spreading out loan payments ) of $800 million since 2010
And then you have the MLBPA rejecting outright the minimum salary floor. So the players are cool with an ever expanding ceiling, and zero floor (besides the minimum individual player salary).
Yes it is true. Players on the 40 man won't play though so might be missing some name prospects if they were close to the majors or already had played there. Everyone else will play since they're not in MLBPA at that point.