OT: LIU QB Killed

Shelby65

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Re: minorities often facing stiffer penalties and/or jail for crimes than white offenders do....should it matter in sentencing that white offenders often have a home environment and family support/structure more conducive to reduced recidivism ?

Or should the only the crime itself matter to sentencing and not outcome probabilities ?

I wonder what goes into sentencing decisions. I don't think race by itself is or should matter. There's no doubt about that.
 

zazoo2002

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Luckily the Liberal minded Justice system saw fit that he could be rehabilitated "im assuming" since they kept letting him out ta do it again.
We need to bring back chain gangs and make prison anything but cozy and warm. Entertainment should be limited to a deck of cards and books.
Make it place ya don't wanna go to, not a place to comfortably pass the time till ya get out.

Don't worry - Trump is stacking the courts. Should help bolster numbers for the 'for profit' penal system.
 

ashokan

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Your crazy Hispanics do not see themselves as white. The small amount that do get ridiculed by their Hispanic friends and family. Nationalism is high amongst Hispos it’s in the blood. World Cup qualification games is an example of that. While we all love the USA we also love the country where the parents and grandparents came from recently in the last 50 years.


Not true among many South American and Central American immigrants. Maybe Hispanics from New York City/LA. Many/most of the locals immigrants (our schools are 70% Ecuadorean /Guatemalan now) don't like non whites because they have a long history of being robbed/beat-up by them. They marvel at the work habits (lack of). When they come to NY and look around, they don't identify as black or brown. You don't have to be around them long to figure that out. In Hunt's Point I'm sure things are different
 

ashokan

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If the guy was black or Hispanic with that criminal record he would be in prison not on the streets getting into bar fights. This is an example of white privilege nothing wrong with admitting that it exists especially when a perfect example is there for everyone to see.



Not at all. Living near NYC, the idea only white criminals get off light is silly. Just the other week I was reading about a black guy who pushed a white lady into a train - he had pulled emergency break 700x this year.

More specific to the topic, TN is having an overcrowded prison problem. The stabber was actually part of a prison riot traced to overcrowding

https://www.wkrn.com/news/crime-tracker/watch-more-than-50-inmates-brawl-inside-cheatham-co-jail/

https://www.wate.com/news/man-sough...idtown-stabbing-has-violent-criminal-history/
 

Yeah Baby

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Luckily the Liberal minded Justice system saw fit that he could be rehabilitated "im assuming" since they kept letting him out ta do it again.
We need to bring back chain gangs and make prison anything but cozy and warm. Entertainment should be limited to a deck of cards and books.
Make it place ya don't wanna go to, not a place to comfortably pass the time till ya get out.
Shawshank
 

robcac26

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Luckily the Liberal minded Justice system saw fit that he could be rehabilitated "im assuming" since they kept letting him out ta do it again.
We need to bring back chain gangs and make prison anything but cozy and warm. Entertainment should be limited to a deck of cards and books.
Make it place ya don't wanna go to, not a place to comfortably pass the time till ya get out.
A few of my buddies are corrections officers and they explained to me that the entertainment stuff is there to keep the officers safe. When inmates are sitting around with nothing to do all day for years on end, there is a much higher chance of a riot. These macho man tough guy wannabes who claim to support the police but also think that prisons should have zero entertainment and be as uncomfortable as possible are really just wishing for the officers' jobs to be even more dangerous.
 

Bagarocks

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A few of my buddies are corrections officers and they explained to me that the entertainment stuff is there to keep the officers safe. When inmates are sitting around with nothing to do all day for years on end, there is a much higher chance of a riot. These macho man tough guy wannabes who claim to support the police but also think that prisons should have zero entertainment and be as uncomfortable as possible are really just wishing for the officers' jobs to be even more dangerous.
Yea well I know a couple myself, and its a dangerous job Why? cuz its a prison filled with dangerous people. Anyone who is a corrections officer knows the risks going in.
 
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LC-88

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Re: minorities often facing stiffer penalties and/or jail for crimes than white offenders do....should it matter in sentencing that white offenders often have a home environment and family support/structure more conducive to reduced recidivism ?

Or should the only the crime itself matter to sentencing and not outcome probabilities ?

I wonder what goes into sentencing decisions. I don't think race by itself is or should matter. There's no doubt about that.
Alot may have to do with how much money you have, or dont have in alot of cases, to spend on a good lawyer(s).
 

chrisru99

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Alot may have to do with how much money you have, or dont have in alot of cases, to spend on a good lawyer(s).
This is true suburban kid with a lawyer pleads not guilty gets PTI and no record on his or her file. Kid from inner city does the same offense gets told by the prosecutor to plead guilty and you will get no jail time and probation. Now this kid has a record and his options are limited.
 

RU4Real

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This is true suburban kid with a lawyer pleads not guilty gets PTI and no record on his or her file. Kid from inner city does the same offense gets told by the prosecutor to plead guilty and you will get no jail time and probation. Now this kid has a record and his options are limited.

No disrespect, but you can't plead "not guilty" and then complete pretrial diversion. That would result in a de facto acquittal, which is not what PTI gets you. If you apply for, are accepted into, and complete a PTI program then the corresponding charges are conditionally dismissed.

It's also important to note - because it's directly relevant to this debate - that PTI programs are typically reserved for first-time offenders and that the application does not include any declaration of race.
 
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Been in the CJ world for 20 years. Also grew up in a town where the kids from elmora hills did not get arrested for minor BS offenses while the kids from the other part of the city went through the system for the same offense. If you grew up in suburbia you really can’t comment as you do not know what you are talking about as you did not live it or see it.

Everyone has their own experiences

In Clifton where I grew up, cops didn't favor anyone, maybe us football guys got a little slack , but then I'd get my azz kicked at home once word got back

I'll respect your beliefs based on your experiences

Cheers & Merry Christmas
 

robcac26

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Yea well I know a couple myself, and its a dangerous job Why? cuz its a prison filled with dangerous people. Anyone who is a corrections officer knows the risks going in.
Yes, no crap. No need to make it even more dangerous than it already is.
 

RUNVA

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May be I am a little to the right here but with this track recorded he should be executed by the weekend.