OT:LET'S GO METS
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Trying to figure out if I watched the same game as everyone else. Syndergaard winds up getting credit for the first pitch when it appeared to ignite the Royals more than the Mets in the first two innings. The second inning in particular had to be concerning because it was same story as the first games with the Royals stringing hits together despite his stuff. He settled down and pitched very well in innings 3-5 and then got out of the 6th. Maybe the first pitch contributed to all the swings and misses later but the announcers during the game went back and forth on who it favored. Kudos to Collins for leaving him in there to finish the 6th. I think that was a tough decision but he like NS better than Bartolo even after 100 plus pitches. I also liked how NS handled the discussion of his performance after the game. He was straight up about his intent with the first pitch. I did not think the pitch was that close but it was certainly head level so you understand why the Royals were upset.
Huge game for the captain and some of you guys who have been on him better be giving him his due this morning. They got key hits from several guys which has been missing. Mets have had leads in every game (although you would not think that listening to some of these talking heads) and this time they were able to come back and then build upon the lead. Only one game but a critical one leading into another this evening. They have certainly thrown Matz into some high profile starts but none as big as this. The leash won't be long but hopefully he is composed and ready to shine. Last point for Curtis Granderson, be ready for that first pitch tonight. I don't think Chris Young is the likely guy to do it but some form of payback is likely and given how productive CG has been the Royals can rationalize that.
Huge game for the captain and some of you guys who have been on him better be giving him his due this morning. They got key hits from several guys which has been missing. Mets have had leads in every game (although you would not think that listening to some of these talking heads) and this time they were able to come back and then build upon the lead. Only one game but a critical one leading into another this evening. They have certainly thrown Matz into some high profile starts but none as big as this. The leash won't be long but hopefully he is composed and ready to shine. Last point for Curtis Granderson, be ready for that first pitch tonight. I don't think Chris Young is the likely guy to do it but some form of payback is likely and given how productive CG has been the Royals can rationalize that.
I'm thinking KC is over reacting to Thor's first pitch of the game. That pitch was not at the head,in fact when they watch it, they'll see it was over the inside part of the plate! Stop being a bunch of cry babies, the Mets lost their SS to a broken leg on a dirty play, this was not a dirty play. Use it, to motivate, if you must, but it might mess with your mind even more if you dwell on it.
The Mets need a win tonight which will be tough with the young Matz on the mound. Call me crazy but I wish he was starting the veteran Niese instead. I say this because right now Niese looks like he has better accuracy and action on his throws. You can also get 4 solid innings out of Niese. Maybe back Niese with Matz for 3 innings.
I have been so fortunate to be at each Mets Home Playoff game during this run and it gets better with every game.....I love this team...great bunch of guys who are all likeable....and how terrific was it to see Wright turn back the clock....and the fans have been incredible..........
Royals play that American League style of baseball where the pitcher doesn't hit. As much as the position players of the Royals talked smack after the pitch, it was the Royals' starting pitcher Ventura who it bother the most. He has to hit in a National League park. Ventura could have been the one who could get hit by the pitch. Ventura didn't have the heart or ability to throw inside to Mets hitters after what Thor did on the first pitch. Advantage went to the Mets as the game went on.
Tonight, not only does Granderson has to be ready, but I suspect Cespedes is the most likely candidate to get hit. If that's the case the Mets should target not only go after the Royals' pitcher, but the leadoff guys as well.
I like the Royals style of play on the field, but it's the fake tough guy image they try to project that p*sses me off. I get the feeling they are mad with the Mets and it has a lot to do with Yankees. Flatout the Royals feel inferior to NYC.
Awesome. Wish I was there last night. When Wright hit that homer I would have lost my ****.
The Royals could have went right after the perpetrator when Syndergaard came to the plate. They did not. Not sure about the link to it bothering Ventura because he was concerned about having to hit. Maybe but from the Mets perspective the message had already been sent. Ventura I think by nature is just a very high strung kid who is great when things are going well but can get off track and distracted rather easily. I like Matz over Niese tonight. Niese has done well in his relief appearance which is good since when he first started this at the end of the season the results were mixed at best. Remember Niese usually would have trouble with a big inning at some point after a few innings. one and two inning relief outings mask that tendency. Big spot for Matz and sometimes he looks a little overwhelmed and his mechanics can get out of sorts but hopefully he can give us 5 or ideally 6 innings with only 2 runs against. LGM!
While the Royals are griping about the pitch to Escobar to start the game i think maybe they forgot how their pitcher buzzed Murphy in the previous game. I sure didn't. Only difference was that Murphy didn't hit the deck to get away from it and his only reaction was kind of like to yell out Whoa! Loud enough for the field mikes to pick it up.
I remember reading something before the series started where Yost was implying that Murphy was too comfortable in the box. I was not surprised they buzzed one inside on Murphy earlier in the series. Yordano is a little bully who doesn't like being called on it. Look at how many teams the Royals had incidents this season (I think it was four). Every time, the Royals' pitcher was Ventura.
Matz will be fine tonight. Local kid, ice water in veins. I'm more interested in if the bats make the adjustments vs Young, because he really had their number in game 1. I suspect it will be a different story starting with Young instead of switching to his style after facing hard throwing guys much of the night before him.
Matz will be fine tonight. Local kid, ice water in veins. I'm more interested in if the bats make the adjustments vs Young, because he really had their number in game 1. I suspect it will be a different story starting with Young instead of switching to his style after facing hard throwing guys much of the night before him.
And almost all of the other Mets' fans have other things to do on Halloween than post in the Mets' thread on the Rutgers boards. 
Once again excellent hitting beats excellent pitching. The Royals with mediocre starting pitching spanking the Mets. I feel bad for the Mets but they're two players away from a World Series win. An elite catcher and a Short Stop that can make contact.
Stupid play but relax it would have been two outs with D'arnaud who has like one hit this series, and then Kirk with .200 regular season average, Collins should have never brought
clippard in 2 walks in that situation, unbelievable, that's high school pitching.
Give us your list of "elite" catchers...
we'll wait...
d'Arnoud is not the problem with the Mets...
Exactly, it makes no sense if you've used Familia for a six out save in the NLCS, why not tonight? It's not like Clippard has been lights out this season. Collins cost the Mets with the boneheaded moves in the regular season but he's lucky the Nats imploded thanks to Matt Williams. I'd rather have Wally Backman managing in 2016.
Stupid yes. But it's not a game on a Wednesday in July. It was beyond stupid because it killed a rally in the World Series to give your team to get it to 2-2
Incorrect: Cespedes has been on 4 teams in 2 years, 5 teams in 4 years. Is there a pattern here?
Correct. Nobody wants to keep this kid...who has a ton of talent but doesn't understand the game
Incorrect: Cespedes has been on 4 teams in 2 years, 5 teams in 4 years. Is there a pattern here?
Agree. Absolutely noooooooooo baseball IQ.
Terry Collins blows it again:
1 - Why in the world is Clippard in the most important game of the season / world series pitching the 8th? He has been a nightmare for so long......
2 - That being said, why wasn't Clippard pulled after the Zobrist walk (first walk in inning)
3 - Why was Colon only used for 1 batter? Have him go as deep into the game as possible so Clippard can be avoided
4 - Why did Familia pitch the 9th in game 3 of a blowout?
5 - Why was Conforto pulled from tonights' game?........let's see....team can't muster any hits so I'll take out the guy with 2 HR's....
Sadly, I think Murph and Cespy sealed their fates as well...sayonara to both.....
1 - Why in the world is Clippard in the most important game of the season / world series pitching the 8th? He has been a nightmare for so long......
2 - That being said, why wasn't Clippard pulled after the Zobrist walk (first walk in inning)
3 - Why was Colon only used for 1 batter? Have him go as deep into the game as possible so Clippard can be avoided
4 - Why did Familia pitch the 9th in game 3 of a blowout?
5 - Why was Conforto pulled from tonights' game?........let's see....team can't muster any hits so I'll take out the guy with 2 HR's....
Sadly, I think Murph and Cespy sealed their fates as well...sayonara to both.....
Not throwing in the towel. It's a tall order to win three straight, but Let's Go Mets. You gotta believe!
Agree about Murphy and Cespedes. Time to see what Dilson Herrera can do. As for Cespedes; right or wrong there is probably a perception out there at this point that he doesn't always play the game the right way. Or hard enough. Wonder what it means for CF for next season. Also the seemingly endless search for a lights out setup guy and bullpen depth overall must continue.
Sure.... Royals in 5 (LOL)
Would not be surprised if the Mets find a way to win game 5 but no way this thing makes it past 6.
Cespedes is the type of player, that if you had to watch him for 162 and then 11-19 games in the play-offs, would totally infuriate you. He'll hit 30 homers, have 110 RBIs and never run out a dropped 3rd strike, nonchalant every fly ball (and drop a few over the course of a season) and have a handful of brain locks on the base paths. The Mets were never signing him anyway, so it is what it is.
I never got caught up with Murph's hot streak. I think the Mets will extend the qualifying offer and try and get him for a year. Ball will be in his court to see if he signs it (unlikely).
I never got caught up with Murph's hot streak. I think the Mets will extend the qualifying offer and try and get him for a year. Ball will be in his court to see if he signs it (unlikely).
I feel terrible for murph, who is a great guy and was enjoying his ride as a superstar. Now the error will probably be the lasting memory of his career. It's really unfortunate for him.
In a way, the fact that the kids are playing brilliantly, and the key mistakes are being made by the out-going veterans, gives me even more reason to think the Mets are going to be a beast next year and beyond.
In a way, the fact that the kids are playing brilliantly, and the key mistakes are being made by the out-going veterans, gives me even more reason to think the Mets are going to be a beast next year and beyond.
Royal continue to prove they are a quality team. Can't make that many mistakes against them and expect to win. I like Cespedes in LF alot better than I do in CF. I think the longer body of work after the white hot start has tempered how large of an offer one might make for his services. Our OF next year may just be Conforto, Lagares and Grandy. Cuddyer has one more year but I am not sure he fits. Murphy has struggled at the plate and you wonder if the Mets will still extend the qualifying offer. If they do its calculated to get a draft pick not to have to pay him $15MM for one season.
With regard to the strategy last night. A lot of people wanted Collins to sit Conforto yet he stuck with him Its the same logic as to why he stays with Clippard. He knows he has another game tonight so he is thinking I need conserve Familia so he is available again on Sunday. I did not work. I think Reed has been more reliable than Clippard and should be the 8th inning guy but that still means you need another reliable arm in the pen. It really hurt that Matz could not give you 6 inning because you needed both Niese and Colon to finish it off. You could have made a case for sending Colon back out in the 7th inning but only if you were looking to skip Clippard. They need to play a clean game tonight and some better at bats. Too many harmless pop ups and fly balls last night. At the beginning of the weekend I would have been happy to get this back to KC for a game 6 and have now reverted to that.
With regard to the strategy last night. A lot of people wanted Collins to sit Conforto yet he stuck with him Its the same logic as to why he stays with Clippard. He knows he has another game tonight so he is thinking I need conserve Familia so he is available again on Sunday. I did not work. I think Reed has been more reliable than Clippard and should be the 8th inning guy but that still means you need another reliable arm in the pen. It really hurt that Matz could not give you 6 inning because you needed both Niese and Colon to finish it off. You could have made a case for sending Colon back out in the 7th inning but only if you were looking to skip Clippard. They need to play a clean game tonight and some better at bats. Too many harmless pop ups and fly balls last night. At the beginning of the weekend I would have been happy to get this back to KC for a game 6 and have now reverted to that.
The same reason why you don't sign Cespedes to a 6-7 year deal is the same reason you don't sign Cano to a 10 year deal. Both have immense talent, but are lazy. And sooner rather than later, that catches up with the player.
I totally agree.
Throw in that you really have no idea how old he is and it complicates matters even more.
I would overpay him on a 3 year deal--like $25MM plus, but would never entertain the idea of signing him to 6/7 years at anything approaching $20MM a year. No way.
Agree on both points. I like to make fun of the Mets for not spending money, but if he insisted on 5+ years, the Mets would be smart to walk away. I'm so happy the Yanks didn't blow all of that money on Cano. We have to get rid of those long deals.
LOL, well I see you hedged your bet till after another heartbreaking loss. I never thought Familia would forget how to be a closer after such a great year. Still think they can win, but not as much after blowing another lead. The Mets could just as easily be up 3-1, but if my aunt had a square- - - - - -
Nothing wrong with Familia's performance. He got the ground ball he needed. Wasn't his fault that it wasn't hit hard enough to get two, and that Murphy couldn't even get one. Then he got another ground ball that found a hole. It happens.
You can't blame familia for last night . No head decisions by Collins . Clippard and murph bad job . Not hitting . It's the mets so they are supposed to lose .
#5 especially. Conforto is the only one hitting in that situation, he's not a defensive liability either. To me you pull Cespedes and put in Lagares who's been one of the only guys hitting this postseason and is frankly better defensively than Cespedes.