Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
OT: Las Vegas
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Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Wouldn't surprise in the least it's been discussed before only to be put down by the very things cited in earlier posts. And it may come down to just more visible presence, a show of force to speak. Regardless, they will be reviewing their security plans and revising.
The issue is you can revise all you like, these kinds of killings won't stop.
Gun laws have little to do with this from a security standpoint because he was using firearms that were either illegal (homemade) or he worked like hell for years to get and are almost impossible.
You can ban every weapon in the US from being sold tomorrow, there's still 350,000,000 on the open market, not including homemade weapons. Then theres another 100,000,000 coming across an open boarder because we've created an arms race for guns. Oh, then there's the criminals who will be making them out of their garage. Believe it or not, some of the deadliest weapons are extremely easy to make. So that simply won't work.
Honestly, if you can't catch it before hand and spot it then you're probably gonna lose. Maybe have employees go through mandatory training on signs to look for, and possibly give the states and local authorities more funding for mental health. Other than that I just don't think there's many answers.
Gun laws have little to do with this from a security standpoint because he was using firearms that were either illegal (homemade) or he worked like hell for years to get and are almost impossible.
You can ban every weapon in the US from being sold tomorrow, there's still 350,000,000 on the open market, not including homemade weapons. Then theres another 100,000,000 coming across an open boarder because we've created an arms race for guns. Oh, then there's the criminals who will be making them out of their garage. Believe it or not, some of the deadliest weapons are extremely easy to make. So that simply won't work.
Honestly, if you can't catch it before hand and spot it then you're probably gonna lose. Maybe have employees go through mandatory training on signs to look for, and possibly give the states and local authorities more funding for mental health. Other than that I just don't think there's many answers.
I concur in regards to living in such a free society. I disagree with gun free zones, with exceptions of those places, for example a courthouse, already under armed security, due to the fact that it neuters the ability of someone like myself to respond in an appropriate manner.
However, I also believe in the right of a private business to do what is necessary to protect their assets and lower their liability.....not to mention do what is right. You have a choice as well. You don't have to stay there.
You're right, this can happen again, and will. However, I sure as Hell would much rather counter it from the street level than having it behind a locked door 40 stories up because the Hilton was scared someone wouldn't spend the night because they had have their bags searched and their long gun under lock and key.
You may not stop it but it sure Hell doesn't mean you don't try and mitigate it. That would be utterly stupid.
I agree. If a business feels it's in their best interest not to allow carry, that's on them.
As far as security in the hotels, if they want to turn a nights stay in the Hilton into airport security have at it. But it wouldn't stop the killing, they'd just go somewhere else. Or use a bomb. Or use a semi truck. Or just run into the crowd with the weapon and open fire. Or sneak it through anyway.
Attacking mental illness in its early stages is the only big move worth taking along with a strong national defense. Our Local and state agencies have no way to handle the growing population of sick Americans. They go completely unchecked.
I also think what needs to happen is people need to police themselves. Know where you are, know where the exits are, know where good cover would be, talk to your wife and kids about the strategy and plan of action in case of emergency no matter where you go. The days of pretending the iPhone and security checks keep you safe at Disney World are over.
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If he used an automatic rifle it’s nearly impossible that he got it legally.
Both. Stephen was a very sick man. He hated Trump and all of his supporters.
Tonight, I go to bed praying for the souls lost in Vegas and pray I don't wake up to some new heart breaking story anywhere in the world. Can the world stop making me cry.? That is a LONG shot.
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You're right. it's not the guns. I have several in my house..They haven't shot anyone. I do have a CCL and carry when I go out
Of course. Any mass attended event could just as easily be targeted.
There is no reason to think college sports, pro sports or any other event has some magic exception. Same goes for mega churches, conventions, trade shows, or you name it. There are little if any practical differences. Target rich is target rich.
Like we've been in Afghanistan for 16 years and the Russians for almost as long and had to give up?
Defeat? Maybe not. Resist? For sure. Occupation and control puts soft targets in play. A well armed people can be obliterated with ordinance but are much more difficult to rule.
It is one thing to obliterate it is quite another to control. Tyrannical governments are about control. If you kill everyone and destroy all the infrastructure you've defeated yourself and get nothing out of the deal in the end. You rule nothing and have no economic engine or activity.
You can destroy a population or you can subjugate a population but not both as should be demonstrably clear not just from history but our own and other powers present and recent command and control efforts. An armed populace requires some level of consent no matter how much superiority any force can bring to bear.
You cannot control with bombers, cruise missles, drones, or tanks you must have boots on the ground and soldiers are soft targets and a properly placed shot even from the feeble .22 can extract serious costs to an occupation force and certainly .223, .308, and for sure a deer rifle and up calibers will generate body bags and inflict serious pain to those attempting to domineer a people.
Do away with guns and then crazy people will use fertilizer and diesel fuel like in Oklahoma City. You cannot regulate crazy. What would have kept the crazy from driving a dump truck through the crowd or flying his plane and crashing it in the crowd. So all of you gun control people have at it.
Attacking mental illness opens another can of worms.
Who gets to define mental illness and how so?
What restrictions can be placed on those classified as mentally ill?
Sounds good in theory, but in practice, it can be another weapon in the arsenal of an oppressive state.
Bowl cut can't even make one yet Joe Schmo is gonna stockpile em. That's a lil on the far side of the argument.
They will start checking people's bags for weapons. End case. You wanna stay it's like getting on a plane.
Let's say your scenario plays out large amounts of former and current military are leading a militia against the US government. You don't think any other country on the planet would be willing to arm that militia? Look at what happens in virtually every country where there's an uprising. A country with a vested interest backs the militia and arms them with way more than assault weapons. That would happen here as well. It makes no difference if you had the gun before or not - you would have access to them and much more.
Listen, like I said in my previous post, I'm all for owning guns. Most everyone I talk to is for owning guns. I have a 9mm in my house in Brooklyn for protection. If you want a rifle for hunting, more power to ya. But there's no logical reason why anyone needs an assault rifle. There really isn't. I had one before when I lived in Kentucky. The amount of damage it can do is unreal. I got rid of it.
This shouldn't be a politicized topic, but everyone gets crazy when they hear "gun control" like it's either you get rid of every gun or you allow everyone to buy whatever they want. There's a middle ground, and the polling suggests the overwhelming majority of republicans and democrats are for common sense gun control. If you're on the no fly list you probably shouldn't be able to legally buy a gun. If you have a diagnosed mental disorder, you probably shouldn't be able to legally buy a gun. Those are just common sense things.
I don't think it would be all too difficult to come up with a list of mental disorders that should prohibit you from legally buying a gun. I mean, bipolar and schizophrenia would be two that I'd think would be common sense. I'm not all that familiar with all the mental disorders, but even of you stopped there, who would be against that?
If a licensed psychiatrist diagnoses someone with bipolar or schizophrenia, they can't legally buy a gun.Sounds good to me.
Does this mean you have to see a licensed psychiatrist to purchase a gun?
No, it would mean that if you've ever been diagnosed with that disorder, you could no longer buy a gun. If you've never had any issues, you'd be good to go.
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It's like the no fly list. If you go to purchase a gun, they wouldn't then test to see if you should be on the list or not. If you're on the list, the background check would see that and deny you the gun. Same thing for mental disorder. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
A suprisingly large portion of the population suffer from some form of mental illness (some estimates as high as 25%) and the majority are undiagnosed.
Not disagreeing with you just pointing out the numbers.
I'm really trying not to turn political, but there's a "group" in this country today that uses new gun law as building blocks for bans down to single shot. I can prove it if I wanted. Decent people like yourself might actually stop at a certain point, but the people in power pushing in control won't. And some of them have openly admitted it. So as an avid gun guy, I just wont bend. We don't have trust for those officials. We know what they want.
As far as hunting goes, it's got very little to do with the entire conversation. The laws on full auto are already EXTREMELY tough. If you had one like you say then you know. We don't need anymore.
I'm 100% in agreement. They would use it against us.
We could also stop promoting mental illness as normal, which Is happening all over this country today. But that's another issue all together although connected because everything is a ripple effect.
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Btw, im not talking about what some others are. I'm talking about attacking mental illness in early stages by giving local and state more access to training and care. Basically try to get them help where we can before they do something like this. Local and state have no way at all of dealing with the mentally ill and they just get worse and worse and worse.
I was in Las Vegas on 9/11 for a convention. We ended up renting a box van and driving back to Atlanta.
I was in Las Vegas last week for a convention just 3 days before the concert shooting...
Just terrible - what would make someone do this?
You are a man after my own heart, exactly why founding fathers included it.
We hope some of those army guys and girls won't fight against their own people..(remember Robert E Lee) of course the citizens couldn't handled a determined army, I still will feel more comfortable armed and those that are determined to kill like that person will always be able to get a gun.
In the bible we read "how shall you enter a strong mans house lest you bind him first" Mark 3:27. If we give up our right to protect ourself "we become as sheep dumb before the shearer" another scripture. I would gladly give up all my non hunting guns if I thought for one minute it would stop the violence. I know better I have 19 H2A migrant workers from Mexico and the gangs have came into their villages and just mowed down people at random, just like a person shooting ducks in a gallery just for the fun of it, they are not permitted to own guns and will be jailed if caught with one. Anytime someone gets absolute power they take advantage of the weak, your history book is full of examples, and we have seen many modern day examples. My dad was a participant in the D-Day invasion and saw first hand what happened in Germany not so many years ago.