OT: Jackson violence

[JoMo MoJo]

The same factors exist south of I-20 that exist north of it in Hinds County. But violent crime is drastically decreased. It’s amazing how stricter laws and law enforcement east of the Pearl River makes all the shenanigans halt at the bridge. JPD isn’t interested in stopping crime. They are confining it to the Jackson area and the WalMart on Hwy 18

 

[coach66]

The suburbs of Jackson are doing great but sadly the judicial system in Jackson

has created Beirut during it's worst times. You have a large number of people who can not be reformed nor do they want to be reformed and it stems primarily from the destruction of the black family which began when welfare go rolled out in the 1960's and it has just gotten worse. Madison has a large number of black families that are doing very well and are great neighbors and productive members of society and I would bet you the majority of them came from solid family structures who worked hard to be successful and embraced the American dream.

At this point the only thing Jackson can do is put the bad guys in jail and keep them there, that's it. I live in Madison and work in downtown Jackson and would like nothing more that to see Jackson be successful and all it's citizens prosper. People have to be willing to help themselves.

Context: I was the first male to ever graduate from college in my family and when I left MSU in 1982 I had a negative net worth of $11,000. My daddy was a mailman and my mother was a teacher so I understand what middle to lower middle class feels like. What makes this country so great is you can make it as far as your work ethic and smarts can take you and it doesn't matter what your last name is. I hope the American dream continues but there are a lot of warning signs on the horizon that frankly are hard for me to believe.

 

[engie]

What type of tank do you use? Bullet proof vest?

I drive and shoot German and am never far away from either.

 

[Len2003]

It can also be overcome if one so chooses.

It can, but the odds are stacked against you. However, free market capitalism has been one of the biggest reasons people have been able to overcome inter generational poverty. Generational wealth (or even just modest generational advantages) is also very protective of poverty.

 

[The Fatboy]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I live and work in Jackson. This is my choice. Always puzzles me when people not engaged in helping the people of Jackson feel the need to criticize from afar. I'm not going to waste my time criticizing Orlando, instead, I'm going to keep showing up every day working to make Jackson a better place. But you do you.

That's awesome. We need more people like you. I'm in Orlando because I didn't take the easy way out and run when a major life event occurred. I'm not going to go into details about it, but if you knew, you wouldn't have been a dick in your response.

I lived in Jackson in the early 90s until my folks moved us out to the Reservoir after girl was murdered with scissors in a bathroom at Murrah.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

But don't spout this generic all of "Central Mississippi" having no hope, Nissan laying off workers and third world country stuff when you're only reading news from afar. Using that logic I'd never come to Orlando again because there was a terrorist event there over two years ago. There are areas in the Jackson metro and even Jackson itself that are great to live and work. Look north of I-220 and east of I-55. That is still Central Mississippi. Unfortunately weak leadership and a weak judicial system in Jackson aren't helping. When you ask about hope, it is those areas that have to be turned around.

My dad is from Clinton, I have family in Jackson, Brandon and Vicksburg. It pains me to see MS be what it is currently. After a move during high school, I left the beautiful state of NC to attend Miss St. I've always loved MS. I'm not bashing MS's problems because it's fun.

MS needs better leadership. There is potential for the state. I'm not hoping to watch it crash and burn. The Silicon of the South campaign is a good start.

 

[Bobby Boucher.sixpack]

I live and work in Jackson. This is my choice. Always puzzles me when people not engaged in helping the people of Jackson feel the need to criticize from afar. I'm not going to waste my time criticizing Orlando, instead, I'm going to keep showing up every day working to make Jackson a better place. But you do you.

I bet you like the smell of your own farts.

 

[catvet]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

The correct answer is everyone is able to use your God given abilities to succeed. It is a BS cop out to say that the odds are stacked against you and poverty begats poverty. If you are lazy and feel like someone owes you something, then you are always going to be poor. It's a poverty of the mind that keeps folks from succeeding not where they began. My folks raised 3 kids making under 30 k a year. I graduated public school in the Delta at a school that never was above a C rating. I busted my *** because I had no built in advantages and was not to the manor borne. I've done well because I wanted it and so can anyone else. One of my roommates was a poor African American guy from the Delta who never had a family member go to college or had a parent that made it past 9th grade. He is a Chemical Engineer working on the coast making 200 k plus. How can that be since every factor was against him? He busted his *** instead of thinking of all the ways he was screwed in life. Get that crap out of here.

 

[engie]

Engine is cherry-picking stats that don't tell the whole story as usual.

And you are the idiot that is always arguing with me and getting posterized. Just, now, with a new name.

Birmingham and New Orleans both have a higher murder rate. Baton Rouge, Savannah, Memphis and Atlanta are close behind.

If you are going to make an argument, at least turn on your news and tell the truth. I know that's too much to expect from you. The only comparable cities in the country in per capita murder rate are Birmingham, St Louis, and Baltimore. New Orleans and Baton Rouge were a smooth 40% behind Jackson last year. You are more than twice as likely to be blasted in Jackson compared to Atlanta and Memphis.

 

[engie]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

Where did you read that? Putin weekly?

 

[OldFatDog]

You must work for the Clarion Ledger.
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That’s pretty damn funny, I don’t care who you are. I’m just too lazy to update my profile. Moved to Jackson five years ago to teach in JPS.

 

[mstateglfr]

Engine is cherry-picking stats that don't tell the whole story as usual. Chicago is a major city with a land area of 234 square miles, with every type of person under the sun, rich, poor and all in between. Jackson has a land area of 113 square miles full of mostly poor people. The cities are in no way comparable. That's why I mentioned "other southern cities" in my first post, which encompasses cities that are more on a peer level to Jackson.

It also shows the flaw in the way Chicago gets reported. They have a huge number of crimes but they are also a huge city.

People are stupid, they'll believe anything without digging in deep. mstateglfr, you are typically one of those who don't thoroughly examine the stats, which is why I figure you agree with the ole engine on the reg.

Go hang out in the worst area of Chicago and the worst area of Jackson. They are probably similar to the worst parts of every city.

Oh god you are intolerable.

Yeah, I'm aware one is the 3rd largest city in the country with a metro of 12mm people and the other is on the small end of a mid-sized city.

I'm also aware of the cost of living differences, cultural differences, economic differences, and whatever the 17 other differences I've omitted.

The stat is still rough. The two cities can be compared- they just were.

Washington D.C. can be compared to Walla Walla Washington if we want. Might be a bad comparison due to not not being equal to another in a perceived important way, but they can be compared.

Jackson has issues Chicago doesnt due to socioecononmic issues unique to that region. Chicago has issues Jackson doesnt due to socioecononmic issues unique to that region.

The two cities dont need to be the exact same or even very similar to be compared though.

I'm intelligent enough to know chicago is bigger, but thanks for point it out nonetheless.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

Horseshit. It only takes 40 years of saving $300 a month to become a millionaire assuming 8% interest (s&p has averaged 10 over the last 90 years.)The reality is poor people would rather have lottery tickets, beer, cigarettes, and expensive other **** than to set up their family down the road.

It's absolutely harder for some people, but in this country, any able bodied and able minded citizen can get rich slowly. Unfortunately not nearly enough have the fortitude to make it happen.

 

[Len2003]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

The goal isn't to be wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. The goal is not to live in poverty and be completely dependent on the government. The latter is certainly achievable in 1-2 generations. You don't have to be Jeff Bezos to have attained economic freedom.

 

[Apoplectic_Objurgator]

i grew up poor in one of the poorest counties in the poorest state

Being poor in the poorest state in union has to be pretty damn hard.

i have yet to stick a gun in anyone's face and demand 250 from an ATM - my granny would have beat my *** if i had so much as forgot to say yes ma'am to the old ladies at church. so thats hypothesis is ********! it's worthless studs running around and siring 14 offsprings with 10 different receivers without any consequences to them - certainly consequence to us taxpayers. if you think it's just a race thing then you need to get out more - it's a death spiral protected by politicians wanting to get re-elected

 

[turkish]

Birmingham and New Orleans both have a higher murder rate. Baton Rouge, Savannah, Memphis and Atlanta are close behind.

Just shut up.

Even the good neighborhoods deal with the filth in BR. From this week...
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_r...cle_28b699f2-19c7-11e9-8805-67d223fd967f.html

 

[dawgstudent]

That woman taught my niece and nephew. Horrible story.

 

[ScrotieMcBoogerBalls]

I bet you like the smell of your own farts.[/QUOT

I thought everyone did***

 

[ScrotieMcBoogerBalls]

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

I have to call BS In this one. To make it into the middle class, one must only follow 3 simple rules. Finish high school, get a full time job, and wait till the age of 21 before you get married and have children. It may not be Oprah rich, but it ain't poor.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0GPzZtrj9q9prWK9FdMFEO&ust=1547859683960947

 

[Cow College]

You are correct if you follow those three rules you don’t live in poverty. The cities in the south are being ruined by race baiting weak democrat leadership. Louisiana is ridiculously corrupt and Mississippi is not far behind. Public servants rarely have the public’s best interest at heart

 

[Funk6652]

Jackson, Mississippi AKA “The Kill Zone”

 

[DAWG61]

I know we can generally count on you to say something stupid, but holy 17.

The crime is city-wide. There is no "safe areas". Sure, there is some degree of safety and peace of mind behind the walls and fences in a couple of places. But they are two blocks away from where murders are happening regularly. Name the safe location -- I'll show you where someone has been blasted within a 20 minute walk in the last year.

Chicago - 1 in 4850 people get blasted.

Jackson - 1 in 1988 people get blasted. You are 2.5 times as likely to get blasted in Jackson compared to the place that's always on the news for gun violence.

Based on the excessive use of the term "blasted" the Blowhard meter has determined you are indeed under 5'8 and drive an oversized Ford truck.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

As far as Nissan laying off it’s market driven. I work at the plant and the Titan trucks aren’t selling. In fact the truck line is going from three shifts to two soon. Also we are losing the murano in July to the Smyrna Tn. plant to protect that stupid flagship plants interest while we sink. We will be the exclusive Altima plant by then but only because the midsize car market is way down.

 

[engie]

Based on the excessive use of the term "blasted" the Blowhard meter has determined you are indeed under 5'8 and drive an oversized Ford truck.

Yep a German ford truck. I do love how obsessed the handful of worst posters here are with me though.

If you want to meet at South Farm, I'll be happy to sign your forehead.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Jackson is a ******** city overrun with thugs and ran by Morons.

 

[Bobby Boucher.sixpack]

Yep a German ford truck. I do love how obsessed the handful of worst posters here are with me though.

If you want to meet at South Farm, I'll be happy to sign your forehead.

Come on now. Let’s keep the violence out of Starkville. Y’all go to Jackson if you want to fight.*

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Being poor is one of the greatest disadvantages one can have. No matter your color or gender.

And easily overcome. You can go to college basically for free if you are poor. Just don’t choose a ******** major like many do.

 

[DAWG61]

Yep a German ford truck. I do love how obsessed the handful of worst posters here are with me though.

If you want to meet at South Farm, I'll be happy to sign your forehead.

Why would we meet in South Farm loser? You obviously live in Jackson you tell us three times a week. I'll bring a foot stool for you so you can reach my forehead though. I'm nice like that.

 

[codeDawg]

The overwhelming majority of jackson violent crime is black on black.

Well, as long as they aren’t killing any white folks...

 

[MittRomney]

BS

This is one of the largest misconceptions of American thought. We are programmed to believe this is the land of opportunity and that if you just work hard enough you can ne wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. It's just not true and only believed by those who have either 1) never been poor or 2) one of the lucky few that were exceptions to the rule.

I read an article that said it can take 300 to 450 years for a family's wealth or poverty to dissipate. That's like 5 or 6 generations.

I’m gonna have to go ahead and call BS on this. 300-450 years?!? WTF? That’s twice as old as the US. Middle class basically didn’t exist before the US. In about 250 years, hundreds of millions have entered the middle class.

I’m from a very poor area of MS. I personally know dozens of people that grew up with nothing (trailer parks, high school dropouts for parents, blue collar jobs, alcoholic parents, etc) that have gone on to be middle class and upper middle class. Some went to college, some didn’t. All of them did what they’re supposed to do (work hard, stay off of drugs and out of jail, married/kids, normal, strong sense of personal responsibility). These people are dentists (several), pediatricians, CNA’s, business owners, CPA’s, Engineers, RN’s, high paying blue collar positions, sales, upper management of companies/organizations, farmers, etc. I personally know at least one of each I listed that grew up poor.

I don’t think anyone asserts that the American dream is to be “wealthy beyond your wildest dreams”. What infomercial have you been watching? The land of opportunity, which the US is, allows you to climb out of poverty if you have any shred of personal responsibility and work ethic.

Placing the blame on ones problems anywhere but on themselves renders them helpless. It does them a disservice and needs to stop. We don’t need to perpetuate victimhood of circumstances.

“The only person who cannot be helped is that person who blames others” - Carl Rogers (influential and highly respected psychologist)