OT: Jackie Robinson was safe. Another viewing angle
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You think after 70 years they found new alternate footage?
It’s fine to argue Jackie was safe, but this film is nothing more than a reversed, doctored, edited version of the same footage we’ve all seen 100s of times
You think after 70 years they found new alternate footage?
It’s fine to argue Jackie was safe, but this film is nothing more than a reversed, doctored, edited version of the same footage we’ve all seen 100s of times
What’s the statute of limitations on call reversals?
He was safe
And shouldn’t the Mets always have a home game on Jackie Robinson day??
And shouldn’t the Mets always have a home game on Jackie Robinson day??
Why?
The Mets have nothing to do with Jackie
Because the Mets former owner wished he owned the Brooklyn Dodgers instead.
Cmon you know the Mets history and are linked to the dodgers and giants .
Citi field has a shrine to Jackie as I am sure you know
This reminded me of another historical sports moment that was later confirmed by new technology. It was the 1958 NFL Championship game between the Giants and Colts (a.k.a. The Greatest Game Ever Played). Here's the relevent part:
...The Giants rallied for two touchdowns and had a 17-14 lead with two minutes left when they punted on 4th-and-1 at their 43 after Gifford was stopped inches short of the first down. Gifford and the Giants always claimed he made the first down, which would have won the game, but the officials made the wrong spot in the confusion over Gino Marchetti breaking his leg on the play. ESPN uses modern technology to show he was inches short. Then came the finish that made the game legendary. Johnny Unitas drove the Colts 73 yards for the tying field goal and then 80 yards for the winning touchdown in overtime..."
...The Giants rallied for two touchdowns and had a 17-14 lead with two minutes left when they punted on 4th-and-1 at their 43 after Gifford was stopped inches short of the first down. Gifford and the Giants always claimed he made the first down, which would have won the game, but the officials made the wrong spot in the confusion over Gino Marchetti breaking his leg on the play. ESPN uses modern technology to show he was inches short. Then came the finish that made the game legendary. Johnny Unitas drove the Colts 73 yards for the tying field goal and then 80 yards for the winning touchdown in overtime..."
I get it, they brought National League Baseball back to NY.
But it’s a slightly different perspective I’m working from Plum.
My dad was very close with Campy and Jackie along with Koufax and Drysdale and they all worked with and for the LA Dodgers for decades.
I just don’t associate Jackie with the Mets organization.
Agree. As a Met fan I don’t either.
I think @T2Kplus10 is right, that was all Wilpon’s stuff.
And if they were really going to “honor” old NL NYC baseball, where is deep centerfield or short porches of the Polo Grounds?
I get your point too. I think the Mets organization feels strongly towards Jackie . (At leAst the formers owners did and Cohen has kept the Jackie Robinson rotunda in intact). The Mets only exist as an organization because the giants and dodgers left nyc …we all know that’s why they are orange and blue ! The Mets fanbase began with many of those Brooklyn Jackie Robinson fans.
If the Mets want to honor Jackie in their stadium rotunda that’s pretty cool .
I just think they should get a home game on Jackie Robinson day. But obviously the Mets don’t see it this way either.
I am old enough to remember the Chock Full O' Nuts radio ads with Jackie Robinson (who became the company's vice president upon retiring from playing): "Chock Full O' Nuts is the heavenly coffee . . . Better coffee a millionaire's money can't buy." Even older people can remember when the jingle said "Rockefeller's" rather than "millionaire's."
OUT!.. I don't think Yogi complains like he did unless he got him!
As for the old jingles thing.. I was waiting for the Magic Kingdom train a few weeks back and they played a tune and I couldn't figure out where I knew the music from. I asked my nearly equally ancient family members and an even older woman realized what we were doing and said... "Good and Plenty!". Then we launched into old ad jingles and wondered if there'd ever be a new wave of jingles that people today would remember.
Chock Ful'oNuts did not come up. But I still remember being surprised my first time in the city seeing an actual Chockful O'Nuts coffee counter shop.
As for the old jingles thing.. I was waiting for the Magic Kingdom train a few weeks back and they played a tune and I couldn't figure out where I knew the music from. I asked my nearly equally ancient family members and an even older woman realized what we were doing and said... "Good and Plenty!". Then we launched into old ad jingles and wondered if there'd ever be a new wave of jingles that people today would remember.
Chock Ful'oNuts did not come up. But I still remember being surprised my first time in the city seeing an actual Chockful O'Nuts coffee counter shop.
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Love jingles! I can sing dozens of them off the top of my head.
My senior thesis was titled Jingles: Their Effect on Human Purchasing Behavior.
Unfortunately what you think isn’t always real in sports.
It was a close play, Jackie told me he thought he got under dads tag.
What’s more important is Jackie told me dad was one of the finest men he ever knew.
Just struck me now what a crazy name for a coffee company.
Did not know:
“Its unusual name derives from the 18 nut shops that founder William Black(c. 1902 – 1983) established under that banner in the city beginning in 1926. When the Great Depression struck, he converted them to lunch counters, serving a cup of coffee and a sandwich for five cents.[1]”
This was my response to zap earlier in thread about this
I think the Mets organization feels strongly towards Jackie . (At leAst the formers owners did and Cohen has kept the Jackie Robinson rotunda in intact). The Mets only exist as an organization because the giants and dodgers left nyc …we all know that’s why they are orange and blue ! The Mets fanbase began with many of those Brooklyn Jackie Robinson fans.
If the Mets want to honor Jackie in their stadium rotunda that’s pretty cool .
I just think they should get a home game on Jackie Robinson day. But obviously the Mets don’t see it this way either.
All true, the original Mets founder and owner Joan Payson was a wonderful woman whose first love was the Giants and National League baseball…she purposely acquired as many old Dodgers as she could to form the original Mets roster in 1961 and was active and integral in the return of Willie Mays to NY in 1973,
Joan Payson was indeed a wonderful person and a New York Giants fan. She was in the stands at the Polo Grounds in 1951 when Bobby Thomson hit "the shot heard 'round the world."
As was my late Dad. The only Giant fan in his Jersey City neighborhood growing up.
Mets do not have the rich tradition of the Yankees of the 20s through the mid-60s. The Yankees have Monument Park so the Mets wanted to claim a piece of baseball tradition by making Jackie Robinson an honorary Met. In my opinion, it was a well-meaning and beautiful gesture on the part of the Mets.
Yes... that was my immediate thought. The Mets were created to serve the NATIONAL LEAGUE fans in NYC metro who rooted for the Giants OR Dodgers. Fans were National or American league fans as well back when they did not play each other until the World Series.
More recently, think of the Colts move to Indianapolis and the Browns to Baltimore... Baltimore NFL fans lost their team to another part of the country and when it was happening to Cleveland, they made a deal where the history and records and name of the "Browns" team stayed in Cleveland.
That did not happen earlier for Baltimore nor for the Giants and Dodgers fans in New York. In the New York area there are still relatives of the original Giants and Dodgers fans who still root for those teams. A well-known one would be "Mad Dog" of the old Mike and the Mad Dog show.
The Mets think of Brooklyn as part of their hometown area and Brooklyn deserves some Jackie Robinson legacy to remain in the city.
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Jackie has zero to do with the Mets so that is bullocks
Jackie was safe, thought this was validated years ago already
@zappaa not surprised by Jackie's comment about your father as everything you read says the same thing. the legacy left by Yogi is an impressive one not by ability as that was a given but by deed, merit, outlook, attitude, and approach. That is what is remembered most when you look back, 'hell of a player, great guy'.......
Jackie was safe, thought this was validated years ago already
@zappaa not surprised by Jackie's comment about your father as everything you read says the same thing. the legacy left by Yogi is an impressive one not by ability as that was a given but by deed, merit, outlook, attitude, and approach. That is what is remembered most when you look back, 'hell of a player, great guy'.......
Hmmm.. my Dad was in Bayonne and told stories of a bunch of them being Giants fans and sneaking into the Polo grounds in the 30s... hoodlums. I wish I grilled him on explaining how a bunch of kids got from Bayonne to upper manhattan for ball games. 110th between 5th and 6th... not exactly an easy trip. But what a great spot for a ballpark.. Central Park North on one side.
different times and kids were far more independent and able to manage themselves. today's kids are borderline moron for the most part
how cool would it have been to sneak in like that on a trip up the subway as young kid? just awesome
Well.. there probably was a lot of trolley lines and ferries running everywhere. Personal vehicles was not really all that common especially in metro areas even then. But one of his stories was stealing a relatives cop car at 12 years old, driving down to 1st street (amusement park in those days) and coming back uptown swimming sections of Newark Bay to not be seen (yeah, they did not fool anyone). Hoodlums! But he did end up a Marine at 16 doing beach landings... as probably did every hoodlum.
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There was a train from Bayonne to NYC. My mother rode that train from NYC every work day to her job in Bayonne in the 1930s when she was young and unmarried. She remarked on that when George Stirnweiss, a Yankee infielder of the 1940s (and one-time batting champion) died in a crash on that line in 1958. I was seven at the time.
Wow, just wow !! Dopey comments like this continue to amaze me !
I assume you never been to citi field, which I hope you never had or you are even more dopier than we could imagine .
The main entrance to the mets stadium is the Jackie Robinson rotunda!!!
hmm.. looking it up.. Hudson & Manhattan Rail Lines.. they had tubes across the Hudson as early as 1907.. BEFORE the Holland (1927) and Lincoln (1934) Tunnels. So lots of rail options across the Hudson. Found a good page on Jersey City rail history here.. but still cannot locate anything on Bayonne.. hmmm.
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It is still possible to reach Manhattan from Bayonne by public transit. https://www.rome2rio.com/map/Bayonne-NJ-USA/Manhattan NYC is not the only city in which mass transit links were established way before bridges and tunnels for cars. Stirnweiss barely caught the train, which went through an open drawbridge over Newark Bay. He was holding a rosary as he died. https://www.fordhamprep.org/alumni/hall-of-honor/inductees-q-z/george-h-stirnweiss
Good chance Mets were losing those games you peeked in at
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