OT: Grass Fed Beef

[drt7891]

That's... Uh... Creepy....

And not just creepy, it's not even remotely comparable.

 

[seshomoru]

So you've said that more than once to make a point?

And I'm not even sure what the point is.

 

[msugolf]

Alright I'm gonna take your word for it. But if I wake up with an extra arm then I'm gonna punch you in the throat with it. And if Rick Ray makes the tourney next year then I'll come to your farm and we can celebrate with a couple of mugs of glyphosate.

 

[hatfieldms]

IMO organic milk is one of the few organic items that I can tell a difference

Organic milk just taste better to me. I have always wondered why organic milk lasted longer

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The point is people are tasty**

 

[hatfieldms]

Well this thread just got weird

Good Lord

 

[mstateglfr]

Actually it's not. And organic farming is not a sustainable practice. It takes more land and resources to produce the crops needed to feed people, requires more tillage that causes more erosion issues and has a higher carbon footprint than conventional agriculture. The organic pesticides sprayed are much more toxic than conventional synthetics and aren't as effective so they have to sprayed more frequently.

How is there no health benefit to organic farming?
Small scale organics- from backyard 1/4 acre plot to small CSA- can absolutely provide food with a higher nutritional content. If I grow peppers, lettuce, spinach, variety of tomatoes, bush beans, carrots, and an assortment of herbs without applying pesticides of any sort- it wont have the levels of chemicals that commercial produce has. Even if the levels in identical commercial produce is still acceptable, there will be more.


I am not disagreeing or even addressing the argument that sprays which are organic are more toxic/worse than roundup etc. I am asking how not spraying/applying anything has no health benefit when compared to spraying chemicals.



eta-
- I buy regular produce 85% of the time.
- My example is not sustainable if implemented across a nation, I get it. My example yields a lot less food. But I think, from what I have read(studies not opinion), that it also yields higher nutritional produce.

 

[muhstate]

Grassfed beef is much higher in Omega-3, lower in Omega-6s and higher CLA than corn fed beef. However I agree OP that corn fed does taste better.

I'm not against GMOs or a huge hippy (although drt7891 might disagree) but if there is one thing to buy into with this organic fad it is where you get your meat. Buying local grassfed beef is not more expensive than grain fed if you know how to do it, i.e. not dropping a chit ton of money at Whole Foods.

Me and four of my friends invested in a program here in Tennessee where we all went in on purchasing a cow from a local farmer. It is raised by the farmer, fed, housed everything and then once slaughtered we divide the meat up. I am spending roughly a third of what I was spending on beef now.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

No idea on that. It maybe the cows diet that makes it taste different. Most organic dairies are mostly grass fed/grazing.

http://www.healthyeating.org/Milk-D...milk-is-much-healthier-than-regular-milk.aspx

 

[hatfieldms]

Where do you do this?

How much does it cost and how much beef do you get out of it?

 

[msugolf]

This was my stance as well. Its not really the addition of nutritional benefits of organic produce but rather the elimination of potentially harmful chemicals.

And I do know that a lot of the organic labeling is financially driven as well. You have bad on both sides. Its just like politics, jockeying for power. My philosophy is try to eat it as close as the earth and God originally made it. The less altered the better.

 

[muhstate]

Not all grass fed is organic and not all organic is grass fed. The fat profile of grass fed beef is different from grain fed beef. That's why it tastes different and cooks differently. I've had some good grass-fed beef and some downright awful grass-fed beef. I've actually found it on sale and cheaper than grain fed beef in the past and cost doesn't seem to have anything to do with quality on grass fed. Another point is that grass fed has no official regulatory definition. All beef cattle are grass fed until they are finished on a feed lot (or finished on grass). You could buy grass fed that is partially corn fed beef.

The main benefit of eating organic is that it makes you focus on preparing food yourself. You can get conventionally grown produce and do the same thing.

This.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

i was offered in on something like that last year. it was advertised as a "co-op". they didn't sing the cow to sleep every night or massage it daily, so i passed. can't have my beef neglected.

 

[AFDawg]

Your new name is TerminusDog. Or maybe DonnerPartyDog.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Most people are going to find it difficult to have a garden and not apply some sort of insecticide without a drop in quality. Some parts of the country don't have a lot of insect pressure but many do. I tried to grow some tomatoes without putting anything on them to see how much damage they would take and applied seven dust to some others. The non applied tomatoes got eaten alive.

The most important thing you can do is wash your produce.​ Whether it's conventional or organic.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

I've always said it like this. If you were eating humans; would you rather eat the in-shape athlete who works out and visits GNC, or the skinny jeans wearing hacky sack playing dope smoking hipster dude who's all organic????

All I can say is, "Shpadoinkle!"

 

[seshomoru]

There's reasons for both of those.

It lasts longer because of Ultra High Temperature processing. Organic milk (no anti-biotics or horomones to stimulate milk production in the cows) is not produced as widely as regular milk, so it has much longer shipping times. UHTprocessing kills every damn thing in that milk. It's even shelf stable. Very common in Europe, actually. The reason we don't see it that much here and stick with normal pasteurization (which kills enough to kill the stuff that could make you sick) is because it burns some of the sugars, caramelizing them, thus changing the flavor. Most Americans don't like the flavor and have a hard time buying non-refrigerated milk. I buy the organic stuff because our toddler is the only one who drinks whole milk, and he just doesn't go through it fast enough to finish the regular pasteurized stuff before it spoils.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

My philosophy is try to eat it as close as the earth and God originally made it. The less altered the better.

Most of the fruits a veggies you eat aren't anywhere near what they were originally in the wild. Us mean ole humans made them to how they were.



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[mstateglfr]

We use less pesticides now? Are you taking glyphosate and placing it in the herbicide category only? Yes its a herbicide, but its what we commoners are typically talking about when we say ‘chemicals’ and ‘pesticides’. Arent herbicides a category of pesticides too? Not sure, but saying ‘chemicals’ should cover both.

Glyphosate more than doubled in use from 2001 to 2007 in the US.

I work directly with 2 of the world’s 5 largest seed companies, my office works with the other 3, and my company works with the 5 largest crop protection companies. I don’t hate all these companies, and my state’s existence is based on the products these companies create. But I cant sit here and say volumes are down because at least when it comes to glyphosate, its up now compared to a decade ago and 4 decades ago. Yes, its obviously up compared to 4 decades ago due to it being newer to market back then, I get that. But it sure doesn't seem like volumes are down. Roundup ready seed sells more and more every year and so it would naturally mean roundup/glyphosate would sell more too each year.

Lemme know where I am wrong here as this is always a topic I like hearing direct experience opinions on.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

If you want some really good stuff get some non-homogenized milk. I usually find it as an organic product and it's far creamier than homogenized milk.

The jury is still out on rBST, but even a good portion of conventional milk is rBST free.

 

[UIUCDog]

What the fuuuuuuuuhhhhhh?!

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The use of glyphosate has gone up but a whole host of other herbicides has decreased because of it and glyphosate breaks down pretty quickly and is far less of an environmental problem. In the past you might have to tank mix three different herbicides to cover a whole range of weeds that roundup does by itself.

 

[MarkDallas]

Most of the fruits a veggies you eat aren't anywhere near what they were originally in the wild. Us mean ole humans made them to how they were.

This. We've been "modifying organisms" for thousands of years. As soon as it's a guy in a lab coat doing it instead of overalls, people freak out.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I did this one time before. The beef tasted great, but I didn't really save much money. I mostly got ground beef and the butcher did a really crappy job. I got ribeyes that were 1 inch thick on one side and half an inch on the other. Useless.

 

[EurekaDog]

Born & raised on a family farm. We raised our own grass-fed beef.

It costs more in the store because the middle man markets it as "organic", "grass fed", etc.

The "lack of taste" is due to its leanness and to the fact that the cattle aren't penned up in cattle lots where they are fed corn in order to pack on the pounds before selling them (for additional profit) to the industrial meat packers. Feeding them corn results in a slightly sweeter taste and a lot more fat.

If you browned a pound of our grass-fed beef, you might have to drain 1 TBSP of fat when you're finished as opposed to 4x+ that amount of fat from a pound of ground-beef from a grocery store.

If you want to save money and still buy true grass-fed beef, talk to a local guy who raises his own cattle. Ask him if you can buy a half of a cow/heifer/steer the next time he processes one of his bovines.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html

THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT


"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."

 

[ronpolk]

I've always said it like this. If you were eating humans; would you rather eat the in-shape athlete who works out and visits GNC, or the skinny jeans wearing hacky sack playing dope smoking hipster dude who's all organic????

What the hell? Is there supposed to be a clear choice here?

 

[johnson86-1]

It lasts longer because of Ultra High Temperature processing. Organic milk (no anti-biotics or horomones to stimulate milk production in the cows) is not produced as widely as regular milk, so it has much longer shipping times. UHTprocessing kills every damn thing in that milk. It's even shelf stable. Very common in Europe, actually. The reason we don't see it that much here and stick with normal pasteurization (which kills enough to kill the stuff that could make you sick) is because it burns some of the sugars, caramelizing them, thus changing the flavor. Most Americans don't like the flavor and have a hard time buying non-refrigerated milk. I buy the organic stuff because our toddler is the only one who drinks whole milk, and he just doesn't go through it fast enough to finish the regular pasteurized stuff before it spoils.

The organic milk I buy doesn't taste nearly as different from normal milk as the non-refrigerated milk I've had. Maybe my taste buds are just not as sensitive now or maybe they've gotten better at sterilizing the milk without messing up the taste, but I didn't notice much of a different when I first started getting organic milk (for the same reason as you, we were throwing a lot out) but the first time I had the non-refrigerated milk, it tasted significantly different. Or maybe I was just more aware b/c I knew the non-refrigerated milk had been "cooked" and so was expecting it to taste different.

 

[ShrubDog]

In regards to pesticides and GMO, there has been some discussions that they are linked to the killing of bees.

There is a super extreme amount of glyphostes in our water and soil now. And there is some proof of it being linked to cancer.

GMO crops have been banned in many EURO countries for a reason.
I.e - MON 810

I had to stop eating beef 1.5 years ago due to an intolerance. I never ate a whole lot of beef but it started messing me up bad. And about years ago the taste of beef started changing to me, it didnt taste good to me. I strictly eat nothing but venison and bison now (more venison).

Also I found out I had a gluten sensitivity. My tests said I was Border line celiac. So I cannot eat allot of that or I get sick.

 

[Rezpup]

Grass fed stinks until you grill it, which takes away from the enjoyment of cooking a steak, and then it's just bland compared to corn fed beef.
The Stanford study that came out last year saying organic food has little or no benefits comparatively is good enough for me.
No matter how you cut it there's only one way to spell flavor... F-A-T

 

[ShrubDog]

Is hard not to think that Monsanto has the power to promote studies by leading scientists to say there is no harmful effects caused by their products? They control everything man....

I have been in the industry and have done my due diligence. And I know you have too and I respect your views.

The reason we may use less pesticides now is because it is already placed inside the organism.

Well that didn't take long to be called a Monsanto shill.



You have no idea how GMO's or genetics works. We use LESS pesticides now than we have in the past because of these technologies AND they are less toxic.


Did you even read what I said? Organic farms use pesticides that are far more harmful than synthetics. Nicotine sulfate, which is extremely toxic to warm-blooded animals, and rotenone, which is moderately toxic to most mammals but so toxic to fish that it's widely used for the mass poisoning of unwanted fish populations during restocking projects are pretty common in organic farming. Copper sulfate is another pesticide used that's pretty toxic.

And since you brought up Monsanto, roundup (glyphosate) is less lethal than table salt and chocolate.

https://doccamiryan.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/toxicity-table4.png

And please please, please do not link autism to pesticides. That study has been trashed by every major scientific group and the only way it was published was through a journal that will publish anything as long as you pay.

 

[dawgoneyall]

Global warming and organic food are two big time frauds.

 

[DerHntr]

I love the organic crowd from the coasts. They want sustainable gardens and free range meats. They basically idolize what me and my backwards redneck buddies have been doing. Hell, they have hippie beards but got that from Duck Dynasty.

I was organic when organic wasn't cool.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Roundup doesn't kill bees unless you dumped a barrel of it on the hive box.


Colony collapse disorder (CCD) has been occurring for years in Europe and in the US. Europe has had a ban on GMOs for years yet they still have CCD.

Some blame neonicotinoids which is an insecticide treatment on seed. Canada and Europe have banned them and both still have CCD. Australia has no ban and has never had CCD.

More than likely there are several factors.
1) bees being moved around for pollinating purposes are being moved too frequently and the hive becomes sick and just dies out
2) diseases becoming rampant in hives and causing ccd
3) Varroa mites and other pests are a big problem now and cause significant damage


we have bee hives on our farm with two different beekeepers and I sit on a task force committee looking into bee health on farms and communicating information out to other farmers and beekeepers. I've had the EPA visit one of their bee yards on our farm to observe the bees and get a hands on look at beekeeping. This year my beekeeper kept me informed on his hives in one of the larger bee yards and he had a couple of hives die out for no reason and we had not sprayed insecticides anywhere near the area. It just happens. Sometimes it's explainable, sometimes it's not.

With all that being said, this news comes out back last month...

http://www.agprofessional.com/news/bee-population-rising-around-world?ss

 

[ShrubDog]

That is very cool your on the Bee Task Force. Stuff like that is interesting to me.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I've really enjoyed it and it's been very educational.

this is something that came out of the committee. Something that Mississippi can say we were first to do was be proactive on bee health. we can't get these flags made fast enough and other states are adopting our standards and these flags.

http://msucares.com/news/print/agnews/an14/20140203_bees.html

 

[ShrubDog]

I am going to send this link to a friend of mine who has a bunch of hives. He may already know about this but I am not sure.

 

[MSUDawg25]

I got ribeyes that were 1 inch thick on one side and half an inch on the other.

I was having a really hard time with this concept for a minute until I realized what you were saying.

 

[MSUDawg25]

we are just at the point in our society where we can start to measure the effects.

This is simply just not true. We've accurately known the effects of a lifetime of exposure to pesticides for decades using animal models.

We've seen a spike in all types of neurological and health disorders -- auto-immune disorders, ADHD, autism, type 1 diabetes -- in the past 50 years. Our diets are killing us plain and simple.

What does a rise in any of these things have to do directly with our diets? Also, autism and definitely adhd didn't really start being diagnosed until 50 years ago, so I would imagine they have spiked since then.

 

[cowboydawg]

The reason we may use less pesticides now is because it is already placed inside the organism.

Like bt? The same stuff they spray on Organic Crops?