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zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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Tiger says putter is failing him.
Semantics at play, all us golfers know it’s the other way around... he’s failing the club

Tiger used to beat the field with his B game, now needs his A game with every club in the bag to compete with the hot golfers of the week....difficult
 

Section124

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Dec 21, 2002
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Tiger says putter is failing him.
Semantics at play, all us golfers know it’s the other way around... he’s failing the club

Tiger used to beat the field with his B game, now needs his A game with every club in the bag to compete with the hot golfers of the week....difficult
Once he switched putters, you could tell he is grasping at straws to get it back. As we know, the older you get, the less steady the hands (and eyes start to go). That being said, I do see a lot of older guys I play with putt pretty good. We call it "old man" golf (a chip and 1 putt to save par).

For those of us that have played Ridgewood, those greens are tough, so I will give him a pass this week.
 

zappaa

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My putting has at times mirrored Tiger.
Putt lights out on the front.
Gradually start losing the feel on the back, and by the 18th hole feel like you can’t make a thing
 

Section124

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I am either on or a good lag putter on any given day. Never a mix unfortunately. That being said, I'm in my 50"s and playing some of my best golf in 20+ years around here. I always score well down south, but I find the courses tougher in this area.
 

Jtung230

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Jun 30, 2005
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Putting is about repetition. He has an infused back and needs to adjust for it. His swing is different than pre back surgery but he made the adjustment. Only a matter of time before he does the same for putting. This is his first year back. If he can’t find it in another year or two, then he’s never getting it back.
 

zappaa

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I am either on or a good lag putter on any given day. Never a mix unfortunately. That being said, I'm in my 50"s and playing some of my best golf in 20+ years around here. I always score well down south, but I find the courses tougher in this area.
Not as much roll, tougher greens and rough up here.

My bane down south is crowned greens that roll into closely mowed collection areas.
I don’t play a lot of courses up here that have that.
I ain’t that good, coming in from 165 or 170, when I hit any part of the green I want to stay up... or at least have a little chip in the green side rough...do I really need to roll off the green 30 feet into a drain.
 
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zappaa

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If we are blaming age for Tiger’s putting woes, then Speith must be turning 60 tomorrow.
I’m not blaming age on Tigers putting woes.
But, I would bet you 95% of the champions tour players will tell you they don’t putt as well now as they did when they were young...certainly there are exceptions.

Speith’s problems are in real team, relative to making everything he looked at.
 

Caliknight

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Sep 21, 2001
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Tiger says putter is failing him.
Semantics at play, all us golfers know it’s the other way around... he’s failing the club

Tiger used to beat the field with his B game, now needs his A game with every club in the bag to compete with the hot golfers of the week....difficult
Said it in the Tiger thread. Putting would be the first to go. And it is. Father Time catches every one. That’s what we are watching. Too many younger studs now. He was lucky to even make the cut.
 
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Jtung230

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I’m not blaming age on Tigers putting woes.
But, I would bet you 95% of the champions tour players will tell you they don’t putt as well now as they did when they were young...certainly there are exceptions.

Speith’s problems are in real team, relative to making everything he looked at.
Yes, but don’t all golfers find some excuse for their game? LOL
My excuse yesterday was soft/wet turf and last week was my 10 year old irons.
 

Caliknight

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I came to the realization a long time ago it’s the Indian not the arrow.
Swing well and you can hit a spatula.

I’d like to agree with that but can’t. New tech, in most every sport, advances it. Now, you have freaks in certain sports. They ripped a door off of the hinges and Kelly Slater took it out and got tubed on it. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t using carbon wrapped epoxy boards in his every day life.

You might be able to hit it with the spatula, but if you have a set of new ap1 718’s, it’s going a helluva a lot further.

Same applies to lacrosse. Give the same guy a stick we used in the 90’s and one now. I’m not sure they’d be able to shoot with it.
 

zappaa

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I’d like to agree with that but can’t. New tech, in most every sport, advances it. Now, you have freaks in certain sports. They ripped a door off of the hinges and Kelly Slater took it out and got tubed on it. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t using carbon wrapped epoxy boards in his every day life.

You might be able to hit it with the spatula, but if you have a set of new ap1 718’s, it’s going a helluva a lot further.

Same applies to lacrosse. Give the same guy a stick we used in the 90’s and one now. I’m not sure they’d be able to shoot with it.
I understand the concept, but on the whole disagree.
That great lacrosse player today will master your 90s stick in no time.
Why, because he can play
 

wisr01

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Sometimes I find there is no obvious explanation when it comes to putting. Last week I could not get anything to fall and lipped out half the holes it seemed. It was like that all week. This week they were dropping and then Thursday I had 4 birdies in seven holes. Unfortunately I had an emergency and could not finish the round. Would have loved to see my score that day. But I did not change equipment or technique and yet for one week nothing went in and the next was just the opposite. The only difference was that I married my line and speed much better.
 
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Jtung230

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Putting is unique because it’s different speed and break every outing. It’s more feel and less mechanical. If you can find the bottom of the cup early, it’s going to be a good round. Otherwise, you’re trying to make adjustments rest of the round.
 
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Knightmoves

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Jul 31, 2001
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Sometimes I find there is no obvious explanation when it comes to putting. Last week I could not get anything to fall and lipped out half the holes it seemed. It was like that all week. This week they were dropping and then Thursday I had 4 birdies in seven holes. Unfortunately I had an emergency and could not finish the round. Would have loved to see my score that day. But I did not change equipment or technique and yet for one week nothing went in and the next was just the opposite. The only difference was that I married my line and speed much better.

I like what you did there.
 
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greenknight

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Sep 1, 2001
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My putting has at times mirrored Tiger.
Putt lights out on the front.
Gradually start losing the feel on the back, and by the 18th hole feel like you can’t make a thing
Golf tough tough game when I used to shoot mid 70's my best round I scrambled for a 71. My best round ever should have been 62-63 was striping driver and irons every green in regulation with at least 10 birdie putts 10 ft or less missed every single one and 3 putted many greens shot a 75 or 76....can only think what could have been if putter was working. I could never seem to all parts of the game together at once. That day was the round of my life that just didnt happen I also had a couple eagle putts end result on the day ZERO bitdies
 

zappaa

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Sometimes I find there is no obvious explanation when it comes to putting. Last week I could not get anything to fall and lipped out half the holes it seemed. It was like that all week. This week they were dropping and then Thursday I had 4 birdies in seven holes. Unfortunately I had an emergency and could not finish the round. Would have loved to see my score that day. But I did not change equipment or technique and yet for one week nothing went in and the next was just the opposite. The only difference was that I married my line and speed much better.
Hope the emergency turned out ok.
Putts not falling is not my definition of a bad putting day. If I’m stroking the ball well I feel I can two putt from anywhere.
When I have feel and speed control, I’ll putt well.
 
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zappaa

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Golf tough tough game when I used to shoot mid 70's my best round I scrambled for a 71. My best round ever should have been 62-63 was striping driver and irons every green in regulation with at least 10 birdie putts 10 ft or less missed every single one and 3 putted many greens shot a 75 or 76....can only think what could have been if putter was working. I could never seem to all parts of the game together at once. That day was the round of my life that just didnt happen I also had a couple eagle putts end result on the day ZERO bitdies
Wow
That’s some ball striking
 

wisr01

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Hope the emergency turned out ok.
Putts not falling is not my definition of a bad putting day. If I’m stroking the ball well I feel I can two putt from anywhere.
When I feel I have feel and speed control, I’ll putt well.
I agree, I putted well all last week and nothing went in but the stroke was good.

As for the emergency, my phone was vibrating like mad but I was on fire so I ignored it for a hole. The next hole I lipped out what would have been my fifth birdie and finally took the phone out to see that it was my brother and sister and my wife calling like mad...Mom had a major stroke in Florida. They did emergency surgery and saved her life but now is the long road to recovery. Golf on hold for awhile but I still find myself briefly wondering how the rest of the round would have gone. I have shot even par but have never broken par for 18 holes.
 

greenknight

Heisman
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Wow
That’s some ball striking
Zap the stars lined up that day and I could have putted at a 6ft hole and missed every putt dont even think I scared the hole once. 5ft putts I'd run by 8ft it was horrible. That's the only time i walked off course and felt like i wasted my day.
 

WhiteBus

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Oct 4, 2011
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Im putting as good or better than when I played golf everyday. If I putted like I do now when I was in my 20s I coulda been a contender!! [winking]
And I still use the very first putter I owned. Achushnet's Bullseye. Model 35R with the flang on the bottom. It has a double black grove on top of the blade which makes very easy to keep square.
 

zappaa

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I agree, I putted well all last week and nothing went in but the stroke was good.

As for the emergency, my phone was vibrating like mad but I was on fire so I ignored it for a hole. The next hole I lipped out what would have been my fifth birdie and finally took the phone out to see that it was my brother and sister and my wife calling like mad...Mom had a major stroke in Florida. They did emergency surgery and saved her life but now is the long road to recovery. Golf on hold for awhile but I still find myself briefly wondering how the rest of the round would have gone. I have shot even par but have never broken par for 18 holes.
my mom had a major stroke as well before she passed
God Bless her, you and family
 

greenknight

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Miss the early days when I was a kid 10yrs old my brother would drop me off at Galloping Hill at 7-8 am every day and my dad would pick me up 8:30 to 9pm every night. Carried my bag 54 holes a day for $4.50 a day I'd pass the pitch and putters who paid like $6 for 1/2hr and laugh as I was on hole 54.

I'd shop up in Jean shorts, tshirt and sneakers and be a single on the 1st tee and all the golfers dressed in their apparel head to toe would talk about me on the 1st tee like they were stuck with Me and this was going to be a horrible day...by the 2nd hole they realized I was better than them as I was out driving them by 40 yrs then I'd hear how great I was for the next 16 holes. Played a few jr amateur tourneys but was married to baseball and didnt make the switch
 
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zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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Miss the early days when I was a kid 10yrs old my brother would drop me off at Galloping Hill at 7-8 am every day and my dad would pick me up 8:30 to 9pm every night. Carried my bag 54 holes a day for $4.50 a day I'd pass the pitch and putters who paid like $6 for 1/2hr and laugh as I was on hole 54.

I'd shop up in Jean shorts, tshirt and sneakers and be a single on the 1st tee and all the golfers dressed in their apparel head to toe would talk about me on the 1st tee like they were stuck with Me and this was going to be a horrible day...by the 2nd hole they realized I was better than them as I was out driving them by 40 yrs then I'd here how great I was for the next 16 holes. Played a few jr amateur tourneys but was married to baseball and didnt make the switch
I did the same thing at Hendrix Field.
I know, you think i went to some posh private club....nope!
Got there at 7:30 and rounded out a threesome of grown men.
Sometimes the men would complain to the starter about a 12 year old joining them, he told them he’s better than you.
 

greenknight

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I did the same thing at Hendrix Field.
I know, you think i went to some posh private club....nope!
Got there at 7:30 and joined foursomes of grown men
Lol haven't played Hendrix I'm going to start playing again. The worst was the 1st tee with the golfers who thought they were good. And they weren't shy about talking about you they'd do it right to your face. They'd tell me not to slow up play and if I have to pick up ball to keep up I was going to pick up ball. I'd laugh inside as I gave them the little smile. Made for a fun day
 

greenknight

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I need to start playing again kids are getting to the age where o can again 12 and 9 Hendrix and course in west orange will be my home courses
 
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wisr01

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I did the same thing at Hendrix Field.
I know, you think i went to some posh private club....nope!
Got there at 7:30 and rounded out a threesome of grown men.
Sometimes the men would complain to the starter about a 12 year old joining them, he told them he’s better than you.
I grew up near Hendrix but used to sneak on Forest Hill with friends to play.
 

greenknight

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Played shackamaxon twice a week when I caddied there 8 yrs ago...it was the only way I could get on golf course might as well make $$ doing so
 

greenknight

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Funny story how I started playing 9 yrs old stuck going to flemington with mom and dad. Passed a driving range and asked what that was my dad stopped and asked if I wanted to hit balls. I hit a bucket of balls not one worm burner and straight hits. The next day i came home to a service of Lynx Professionals and golf bag and i was o my way. When woods were woods. Red heads on the woods and blades on the irons. Washed them clubs every day, chipped in the house crazy
 

kapyoche

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Sep 11, 2010
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There is no such thing as putter's block.
I stopped reading putts since it made no difference how much I read the putt.
Pro golfers should not be allowed to read putts. They should get behind their putts and when their time comes, just putt.
 

RU848789

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Jul 27, 2001
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I understand the concept, but on the whole disagree.
That great lacrosse player today will master your 90s stick in no time.
Why, because he can play

Agreed. A great player will be a great player independent of technology, which largely just raises the play of every player a bit.
 

RU848789

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Jul 27, 2001
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Miss the early days when I was a kid 10yrs old my brother would drop me off at Galloping Hill at 7-8 am every day and my dad would pick me up 8:30 to 9pm every night. Carried my bag 54 holes a day for $4.50 a day I'd pass the pitch and putters who paid like $6 for 1/2hr and laugh as I was on hole 54.

I'd shop up in Jean shorts, tshirt and sneakers and be a single on the 1st tee and all the golfers dressed in their apparel head to toe would talk about me on the 1st tee like they were stuck with Me and this was going to be a horrible day...by the 2nd hole they realized I was better than them as I was out driving them by 40 yrs then I'd hear how great I was for the next 16 holes. Played a few jr amateur tourneys but was married to baseball and didnt make the switch

Wish I had started that young. Played only a bit in HS (due to baseball mostly), but then in college I really fell in love with playing the game. Being an RU student in the 80s, my roommate and I, who were both in the same PhD program in chem eng'g, would often go to the lab very early during the summer and tend to our experiments (some ran around the clock) for an hour or so, then we would get to the RU course early enough to be in the first few groups, and our $4 usually got us 2 rounds, since we were very friendly with Whitey, the starter.

We'd finish playing golf around 3-4 pm, then head back to the lab and work for several hours. Then we'd hit the bars in NB. Was fun for the 3 years or so we were roommates. And for several years in a row on many days near the summer solstice, we'd play continuously from 7 am until 8-9 pm, finishing 3 rounds with all of our meals being hot dogs after each 9 holes. All for $4. That was a long day.
 
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greenknight

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There is no such thing as putter's block.
I stopped reading putts since it made no difference how much I read the putt.
Pro golfers should not be allowed to read putts. They should get behind their putts and when their time comes, just putt.
Disagree some days your alignment could be a hair off, if you generally open up and push a putt opening up the blade it's something that will follow you all day. Its extremely hard to correct on the course everything needs to happen while they are warming up
 

zappaa

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Agreed. A great player will be a great player independent of technology, which largely just raises the play of every player a bit.
New equipment makes all your well played shots better.
Your bad swings will also be rewarded with a better bad result ...lol