OT: Golden Corral Brawl

[Bleem Phuppert]

I want to know where all the high chairs came from. They seem to have an awful lot of them.

Also, it seems to me that one of the first rules of Brawlin' Corral should be that if you're gonna swing a high chair, there damn well better be a baby in it. Show some investment in the process.

 

[BossNJ]

This again.

There are lots more people around today than back in the "good old days". So naturally there are more of all kinds of incidents between people.

However, one's individual experience with any such incidents would not, in any way, provide anything resembling proof that the "good old days" had fewer such incidents per 100K people than today. You'd need, you know, some actual verifiable data to prove your contention.

But you know what has provably changed very significantly since the "good old days"? Today, we have 24/7 media desperate for clickbait material. So, unlike the "good old days" when most people would never hear about most such stories that occurred, today we get to hear about everything everywhere if we're just willing to do a google search with the right keywords.

And data-collection on all kinds of crimes has improved drastically today, versus the "good old days". So the accuracy of data about such incidents today is far, far greater than it was back whenever.

Cell phone cameras as well as sharing of this type of stupidity on social media also contribute to the perception that these incidents are more prevalent today than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago.

 

[BossNJ]

It's also important to note that combined with 24/7 media looking for clickbait material is the fact that everyone has a camera on them now, so in the past many of these incidents were not on video and there wasn't an internet that craved and supplied infinite content. If it didn't make the news, we didn't know about it.

Truth.

 

[BossNJ]

This again.

There are lots more people around today than back in the "good old days". So naturally there are more of all kinds of incidents between people.

However, one's individual experience with any such incidents would not, in any way, provide anything resembling proof that the "good old days" had fewer such incidents per 100K people than today. You'd need, you know, some actual verifiable data to prove your contention.

But you know what has provably changed very significantly since the "good old days"? Today, we have 24/7 media desperate for clickbait material. So, unlike the "good old days" when most people would never hear about most such stories that occurred, today we get to hear about everything everywhere if we're just willing to do a google search with the right keywords.

And data-collection on all kinds of crimes has improved drastically today, versus the "good old days". So the accuracy of data about such incidents today is far, far greater than it was back whenever.

This poster pursues the same theme in 90% of his posts. Give it up already.

No one should have a perspective that’s that miserable.

 

[RUBOB72]

You do realize, right, that you're making up all kinds of stuff I never said and attributing it to me?

Manners and colloquialisms way back? Like back when cutting in line could get you shot by a cowboy with a six-gun in a tavern out west? Or even further back when cutting in line could get you stabbed with a sword by a knight in a tavern in Europe? Today they're tossing tables and chairs. Sure seems like tossing tables and chairs is better than getting shot or stabbed, so maybe things have improved a bit since the good old days, no?

It's really pretty simple. If 1 out of 1000 people were troublemakers 1000 years ago, and if there are many more 1000s of people around today, then there are gonna be many more troublemakers than there were 1000 years ago.

That's all that's changed. People are people. Human nature's been pretty constant, not evolving very much since we lived in caves. But population growth, in particular population density, has forced the need to build societies and adopt a rule of law. And that has tamped down on some of human's more problematic tendencies some.

But there's always gonna be that 1 in a 1000 that's a trouble-maker.

You can point to Philly and say it's a problem because there's so much more violent crime than 100 years ago. That would be true.

But you can also point to Philly today and say there are so vastly more people, who never commit any violent crimes their entire lives, than there were 100 years ago. That would also be true.

You seem to focused entirely on the former truth while entirely ignoring the latter truth.

The number of patrons in a Golden Corral has not a thing to do with the animals in the steak line. You are an excuse maker for the uncivilized who were upset by having to wait or by the idiot cutting the line. I didn’t make up anything . You just didn’t agree with the reply. Or , you are and I would venture a guess here , making an attempt to wash the incident away. In the past there have been occasional incidents like this perhaps similar in any city or town but it is not because of too many people. More like too many people who feel they’re entitled to act out because they have been told it’s ok . Once again your apparent acceptance of this type of juvenile behavior inside the Golden Corral speaks volumes . When you pack the herd into a small inclosure , don’t feed them right away the obvious will happen just like it did the other day. Philadelphia is a proverbial ******** . Other than a diverse food and restaurant industry try living within the city limits . Not in surburban Yardley . In Philadelphia Proper. Take a walk around the neighborhoods after darkness settles in . It is not a nice place.

 

[IMARUFAN]

Very surprising given what a high class restaurant Golden Corral is.

What's next? Spagos? The French Laundry?

 

[mdk02]

What's next? Spagos? The French Laundry?

Well the masking policies are similar.

 

[mildone_rivals]

It's also important to note that combined with 24/7 media looking for clickbait material is the fact that everyone has a camera on them now, so in the past many of these incidents were not on video and there wasn't an internet that craved and supplied infinite content. If it didn't make the news, we didn't know about it.

Good point. Reading about a fight or brawl in a steakhouse in the back pages of a newspaper, 100 years ago, didn’t capture people‘s interest, the way seeing a high resolution video In one’s FB or Twitter feed does today. And today, the news spreads across the globe virally in an hour.

Today, we simply see and hear about so much more of all the same nasty human behavior that has been around as long as humans been around. Mix in a pandemic, or in the past, an economic depression, and it just turns the human bad behavior knob up to 11.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Huddle House?

Yup. Hope all is well in Razorbackland with the snow/ice storm.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Heaven maybe either Waffle King or Huddle House both are still around in Georgia. If I were forced to eat at one of those I’d chose Huddle House.

Yup, it was Huddle House. Are there still some Bonanzas and Bobs Big Boys left in the South?

 

[koleszar]

You mean, the scenario where the beef is being flung to the floor or at one-another? The germs, in pretty much any scenario not leading to ground beef, only occur on the outside of the steak. So char the outside and leave the inside cold. It won't hurt you.

I live with a germaphobe and this is 100% correct. Steak, the germs are on the outside, so rare is perfectly fine inside. But ground beef you take all those germs and mash them into the inside so rare is not fine. Note this does not stop me from cooking my burgers with a nice pink center and this drives my wife crazy.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I live with a germaphobe and this is 100% correct. Steak, the germs are on the outside, so rare is perfectly fine inside. But ground beef you take all those germs and mash them into the inside so rare is not fine. Note this does not stop me from cooking my burgers with a nice pink center and this drives my wife crazy.

I still eat burgers medium-well, or even medium if a restaurant (or I) get it slightly wrong when cooking. I'm aware there's a risk of e-coli poisoning doing that. And that cooking it to 160F would eliminate that risk. But, statistically at least, the risk isn't too great.

Pork or chicken are probably much more important to cook up to proper temps.

We're much more at risk of catching stomach viruses, from cooks or servers at a restaurant, in food we ate as much as a week earlier, but still associate with what we were eating the day we start getting sick, than we are from e-coli these days.

Pretty sure that, most of the time, what people think of as food poisoning (i.e. bad or old food) is really just garden variety gastroenteritis or norovirus. Or sometimes, worst case, rotavirus (this one is pretty awful).

 

[RUBOB72]

Good point. Reading about a fight or brawl in a steakhouse in the back pages of a newspaper, 100 years ago, didn’t capture people‘s interest, the way seeing a high resolution video In one’s FB or Twitter feed does today. And today, the news spreads across the globe virally in an hour.

Today, we simply see and hear about so much more of all the same nasty human behavior that has been around as long as humans been around. Mix in a pandemic, or in the past, an economic depression, and it just turns the human bad behavior knob up to 11.

It’s only an economic depression for some and why is that again?

 

[RUBOB72]

It’s only an economic depression for some and why is that again?

Post that steakhouse brawl from 100 years ago . I’m certain this board would love to see it. I would love to see where and whom were the participants . The clientele would obviously be different .

 

[koleszar]

I still eat burgers medium-well, or even medium if a restaurant (or I) get it slightly wrong when cooking. I'm aware there's a risk of e-coli poisoning doing that. And that cooking it to 160F would eliminate that risk. But, statistically at least, the risk isn't too great.

Pork or chicken are probably much more important to cook up to proper temps.

We're much more at risk of catching stomach viruses, from cooks or servers at a restaurant, in food we ate as much as a week earlier, but still associate with what we were eating the day we start getting sick, than we are from e-coli these days.

Pretty sure that, most of the time, what people think of as food poisoning (i.e. bad or old food) is really just garden variety gastroenteritis or norovirus. Or sometimes, worst case, rotavirus (this one is pretty awful).

Fast Food Nation was required viewing by my wife the Animal Science major.

 

[mildone_rivals]

It’s only an economic depression for some and why is that again?

What are you talking about? We're not in an economic depression right now. We're in a pandemic. The last serious economic depression was years and years ago.

My point is that pandemics and economic depressions (along with super hot summers) statistically increase the amount of crime. This has basically always been true. And that's relevant because it reveals more of human nature, much like how drunk people tend to reveal their nature after a few drinks, versus how they hide it when sober.

There's been a lot of job loss more recently, especially in 2020. But not an economic depression. If that's what you're talking about, I still don't know what you're getting at with your point about how only some people are affected.

You seem to be talking around what you really want to say instead of just saying it.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I want to know where all the high chairs came from. They seem to have an awful lot of them.

Also, it seems to me that one of the first rules of Brawlin' Corral should be that if you're gonna swing a high chair, there damn well better be a baby in it. Show some investment in the process.

I was just thinking that the chair-throwers were showing awful technique. They clearly should've thrown the babies first, as a feint, and then followed up with the chairs, taking advantage of people's natural maternal/paternal instinct. Would've been much more effective.

 

[mildone_rivals]

Post that steakhouse brawl from 100 years ago . I’m certain this board would love to see it. I would love to see where and whom were the participants . The clientele would obviously be different .

Lets assume that the technology for an ordinary person in a steakhouse existed to record a video of a brawl 100 years ago, which it didn't, but let's assume it did.

Specifically what would be different about the clientele that we would be able to discern from a video?

 

[cicero grimes]

The good news is if you were last on line for the peel and eat shrimp your line got a lot shorter when the brawl started.

 

[mildone_rivals]

The number of patrons in a Golden Corral has not a thing to do with the animals in the steak line. You are an excuse maker for the uncivilized who were upset by having to wait or by the idiot cutting the line. I didn’t make up anything . You just didn’t agree with the reply. Or , you are and I would venture a guess here , making an attempt to wash the incident away. In the past there have been occasional incidents like this perhaps similar in any city or town but it is not because of too many people. More like too many people who feel they’re entitled to act out because they have been told it’s ok . Once again your apparent acceptance of this type of juvenile behavior inside the Golden Corral speaks volumes . When you pack the herd into a small inclosure , don’t feed them right away the obvious will happen just like it did the other day. Philadelphia is a proverbial ******** . Other than a diverse food and restaurant industry try living within the city limits . Not in surburban Yardley . In Philadelphia Proper. Take a walk around the neighborhoods after darkness settles in . It is not a nice place.

You absolutely made up stuff about how I think or feel about all this. And you've done it again in the post above. You understand that I haven't seriously stated how I think or feel about it, other than to point out that we humans have done vastly worse things than brawling in a Golden Corral.

And you are completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to point out to you. The FACT is that there are far more people today than there were 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago. So if 1 in every 1000 people will behave poorly, then simple math dictates that more people are behaving poorly today than 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago.

And if 999 out of 1000 people don't behave poorly, then there are HUGE numbers of people alive today who don't behave badly. Far more than there were 100, 1000, or 10000 years ago.

The only way you can possibly prove that people are worse now than at any point in history is to show evidence that the 1 in 1000 from N years ago has become 2 in 1000 or greater. And even if you could do that, which you cannot because the requisite data gathering capabilities didn't exist 100 years ago, you'd still have to find a way to counter the logic that population density itself is a significant factor.

And you yourself just asserted that it is, with your above statement about packing a herd into a small enclosure and not feeing them. Something that clearly isn't nearly as much of a problem in small-town America as it is in cities.

 

[RUBOB72]

What are you talking about? We're not in an economic depression right now. We're in a pandemic. The last serious economic depression was years and years ago.

My point is that pandemics and economic depressions (along with super hot summers) statistically increase the amount of crime. This has basically always been true. And that's relevant because it reveals more of human nature, much like how drunk people tend to reveal their nature after a few drinks, versus how they hide it when sober.

There's been a lot of job loss more recently, especially in 2020. But not an economic depression. If that's what you're talking about, I still don't know what you're getting at with your point about how only some people are affected.

You seem to be talking around what you really want to say instead of just saying it.

Really grasping at this my triggered friend aren’t you. Excuses are for the weak . This fiasco is exactly why apologists such as yourself are making it easier for the undisciplined to feel they are entitled to act anyway they so choose. For you to equate that today’s society and the actions we all see daily is the same as 30-40-50 or more years ago is troubling .You aren’t some 20 year old ( at least I would assume you ‘re not) who thinks this action was caused due to a pandemic, economic ills or being cooped up at home. They have absolutely no common, dignity nor sense of right vs. wrong . Enjoy what is what you feel all good.

 

[RUBOB72]

You absolutely made up stuff about how I think or feel about all this. And you've done it again in the post above. You understand that I haven't seriously stated how I think or feel about it, other than to point out that we humans have done vastly worse things than brawling in a Golden Corral.

And you are completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to point out to you. The FACT is that there are far more people today than there were 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago. So if 1 in every 1000 people will behave poorly, then simple math dictates that more people are having poorly today than 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago.

And if 999 out of 1000 people don't behave poorly, then there are HUGE numbers of people alive today who don't behave badly. Far more than there were 100, 1000, or 10000 years ago.

The only way you can possibly prove that people are worse now than at any point in history is to show evidence that the 1 in 1000 from N years ago has become 2 in 1000 or greater. And even if you could do that, which you cannot because the requisite data gathering capabilities didn't exist 100 years ago, you'd still have to find a way to counter the logic that population density itself is a significant factor.

And you yourself just asserted that it is, with your above statement about packing a herd into a small enclosure and not feeing them. Something that clearly isn't nearly as much of a problem in small-town America as it is in cities.

If the shoe fits then you wear it. Nobody accused you but you appear to be guilt ridden. Tell me again exactly what YOU ascertained from the animals in the steakhouse ? Lucky no innocent patrons got hurt.

 

[mildone_rivals]

The good news is if you were last on line for the peel and eat shrimp your line got a lot shorter when the brawl started.

"In the midst of every crisis lies great opportunity."
- Albert Einstein

Some caution would be warranted, however. Some of the tables being tossed around had food on them. So people's half-eaten food may have been mixed in with the food at the buffet counters. Ew.

Would be worth waiting it out in the corner while protecting some of the babies from the high chairs. Then a post-game analysis could be conducted to see if the tossed tables came near enough to corrupt the buffet.

If the buffet is still okay, then grab everybody's steaks since they all fled and return the babies to their moms as a hero.

If the buffet is corrupted, then eat the babies.

I like to have a plan with contingencies.

 

[mildone_rivals]

If the shoe fits then you wear it. Nobody accused you but you appear to be guilt ridden. Tell me again exactly what YOU ascertained from the animals in the steakhouse ? Lucky no innocent patrons got hurt.

Now you're just babbling incoherently.

You do understand that you and I are animals too, right? To relive a famous CE board moment, I wonder if you'd be really insulted if I called you a primate?

 

[cicero grimes]

"In the midst of every crisis lies great opportunity."
- Albert Einstein

Some caution would be warranted, however. Some of the tables being tossed around had food on them. So people's half-eaten food may have been mixed in with the food at the buffet counters. Ew.

Would be worth waiting it out in the corner while protecting some of the babies from the high chairs. Then a post-game analysis could be conducted to see if the tossed tables came near enough to corrupt the buffet.

If the buffet is still okay, then grab everybody's steaks since they all fled and return the babies to their moms as a hero.

If the buffet is corrupted, then eat the babies.

I like to have a plan with contingencies.

I like the way you think. The smart ones profited from not engaging in the brawl but remaining vigilant for eating opportunities. Having never visited a GC does anyone know if you pre-pay for the meal or pay as you would at a standard dining venue when the meal is complete. If you pre-paid, engaged in the brawl and never got to eat, you may want to rethink your choices. If however; you ate, engaged in the brawl and used it as a means of escape and failed to pay, you showed some initiative.

 

[RUScrew85]

When I'm in a brawl, I throw a few thunderous rights and it ends quickly.

I put my hand on my gun and slowly and carefully leave.

(Theoretically)

 

[mildone_rivals]

Really grasping at this my triggered friend aren’t you. Excuses are for the weak . This fiasco is exactly why apologists such as yourself are making it easier for the undisciplined to feel they are entitled to act anyway they so choose. For you to equate that today’s society and the actions we all see daily is the same as 30-40-50 or more years ago is troubling .You aren’t some 20 year old ( at least I would assume you ‘re not) who thinks this action was caused due to a pandemic, economic ills or being cooped up at home. They have absolutely no common, dignity nor sense of right vs. wrong . Enjoy what is what you feel all good.

Apologists? You drunk this early in the day?

What exactly have I apologized for? And what am I triggered from? (This is where you get to make up yet more stuff I never said. )

Once again I have no idea what you're talking about it. But that's okay. You apparently can't understand the inescapble logic I've laid out for you.

So we're even.

 

[RUBOB72]

Apologists? You drunk this early in the day?

What exactly have I apologized for? And what am I triggered from? (This is where you get to make up yet more stuff I never said. )

Once again I have no idea what you're talking about it. But that's okay. You apparently can't understand the inescapble logic I've laid out for you.

So we're even.

Sure you don’t but that’s exactly why you think violence is an acceptable thing in a place of business. It’s all good If Golden Corral is your place to eat.

 

[RUPete]

You live in a world of make believe if you don’t realize these acts are more prevalent than ever before.It has absolutely nothing to do with what you or I see as “good deeds on a daily basis.” Keep believing that B.S. and when one day you happen to run into this type of behavior come back and tell me about how we must adjust our focus and perspective . Guarantee you’ll sing a much different song.

Bob, you're the best - don't ever change!

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

This again ? Yeah this again …if you don’t like the take tough sh#$t. This incident has nothing to do with the “ good old days” …maybe it’s the clientele has changed and the manners and colloquialisms which were common waaaay back when. There was always a certain element in all groups but what we ALL see if being honest is Philadelphia is slowly going to the bottom of the barrel. You enjoy it and pretend it’s only an illusion . The price you will pay someday will make you wish that perhaps not all is acceptable to the general public.

EDIT: I wonder how "certain" prosecutors kicking cases of all sorts is going to affect the FBI UCR... how uniform will be crime reporting be if they just claim there was no crime?


well... here is some data that I found a bit surprising.. using NJ UCR reports I targeted East Brunswick.. a suburban community with plenty of businesses like Golden Corral. I looked for aggravated assault data. The first URC they had was for 1990 and it had data from 1989 in it.

1989 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 44
1990 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 45

2015 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 19
2016 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 13

2019 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 12
2020 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 19

At least in terms of suburban communities.. the data suggests that THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS..

But that doesn't mean that social media is not revealing a general uptick in crime even outside the urban centers where certain prosecutors are seeking to initiate vast cultural change.

Overall.. you can easily find year-by-year crime charts like this one for Cambridge MA.

And this one showing property crime in the USA

On the downside, this shows when inflation was high and the economy was poor, crime was rampant. Are we returning to that state? Maybe. So, perhaps social media is showing the leading edge of that trend now.

 

[RUBOB72]

Hey mildone I’m still waiting to see your proof on the steakhouse brawl from 100years ago. And back then they actually had “real beef” .

 

[RUBOB72]

well... here is some data that I found a bit surprising.. using NJ UCR reports I targeted East Brunswick.. a suburban community with plenty of businesses like Golden Corral. I looked for aggravated assault data. The first URC they had was for 1990 and it had data from 1989 in it.

1989 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 44
1990 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 45

2015 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 19
2016 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 13

2019 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 12
2020 East Brunswick Aggravated Assault 19

At least in terms of suburban communities.. the data suggests that THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS..

But that doesn't mean that social media is not revealing a general uptick in crime even outside the urban centers where certain prosecutors are seeking to initiate vast cultural change.

Overall.. you can easily find year-by-year crime charts like this one for Cambridge MA.

And this one showing property crime in the USA

On the downside, this shows when inflation was high and the economy was poor, crime was rampant. Are we returning to that state? Maybe. So, perhaps social media is showing the leading edge of that trend now.

Well did they mention the crowd was celebrating after a Rutgers football game? BTW: Cambridge ? Like in Cambridge England? You know the clientele changed after 1970’s in England … Right?

 

[RUBOB72]

On another note of interest .Zucker resigns from CNN how did anyone not see this coming. Enjoy your millions Jeffie.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

I put my hand on my gun and slowly and carefully leave.

(Theoretically)

Warning Cuss Words—

 

[RUScrew85]

Warning Cuss Words—

Oh no. One tries to avoid pulling that gun at almost all costs. Very rarely does anything good ever happens when you pull a gun on someone.

 

[e5fdny]

Why aren't they wearing masks? That should be the main concern for safety not chair throwing. This is tame compared to the Johnny Rocket in Florida naked ketchup girl video . Ooofffaaa.

Go on…

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

I'm wondering how the aliens that live under Catalina Island feel about all these shenanigans.

 

[cicero grimes]

I'm wondering how the aliens that live under Catalina Island feel about all these shenanigans.

I think they shake their heads and wish they stayed on their home planet.

 

[Knight Shift]

Now you're just babbling incoherently.

You do understand that you and I are animals too, right? To relive a famous CE board moment, I wonder if you'd be really insulted if I called you a primate?

You may want to consider throwing a high chair at this point. There's a run on them right now, so grab one fast!
OTOH, you have a penchant for rationally engaging in debates where others would lose their patience and/or desire to debate after the first reply.

 

[RUschool]

I like the way you think. The smart ones profited from not engaging in the brawl but remaining vigilant for eating opportunities. Having never visited a GC does anyone know if you pre-pay for the meal or pay as you would at a standard dining venue when the meal is complete. If you pre-paid, engaged in the brawl and never got to eat, you may want to rethink your choices. If however; you ate, engaged in the brawl and used it as a means of escape and failed to pay, you showed some initiative.

I ate at a Golden Corral in Texas once and I left early because it was disgusting food. It look like people just grab the food with their hands off the Buffett. That might be the reason for the fight.

Are there any locations in NJ?