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Knightmoves

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Does anyone here take him seriously? He will let us know when the US is living up to his standards?

“Kapler said Friday he will no longer stand with his team for the national anthem until he "feels better about the direction of our country" in the wake of the Texas school shooting on Tuesday that left 19 students and two teachers dead.

"I don’t plan on coming out for the anthem going forward until I feel better about the direction of our country," he told reporters before Friday’s game. "That’ll be the step. I don’t expect it to move the needle necessarily. It’s just something I feel strongly enough about to take that step."

“Every time I place my hand over my heart and remove my hat, I'm participating in a self congratulatory glorification of the ONLY country where these mass shootings take place," Kapler wrote on his blog.
 
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RUPete said:
I’m a no. If he wins, no one cares. If he loses, no one cares and they run him out of town just like Philly did.
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They ran him out of town in Philly but his weird personality fits him in SF. They love him. He will love Judge on his team next year.
 
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WhiteBus said:
They ran him out of town in Philly but his weird personality fits him in SF. They love him. He will love Judge on his team next year.
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Going bold with that prediction! I agree that his act plays better in SF, but so does 107 wins or whatever it was.
 
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superfan01 said:
Why do people get so worked up about what others do. If he doesn't want to come out of the dugout. Who cares.
isn't there more important things in everyone's life then if a random guy comes out of the dugout or not.
Who cares.
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Why is it that most of you don't understand the position he is taking? To me he is asking the politicians to do something about the wonton killing in our schools. I would guess most of you agree with that point; however, don't agree with how he is demonstrating his displeasure with their lack of action.
 
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Doctorzit said:
To me he is asking the politicians to do something about the wonton killing in our schools. I would guess most of you agree with that point; however, don't agree with how he is demonstrating his displeasure with their lack of action.
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*wanton

Not this …


 
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Doctorzit said:
Why is it that most of you don't understand the position he is taking? To me he is asking the politicians to do something about the wonton killing in our schools. I would guess most of you agree with that point; however, don't agree with how he is demonstrating his displeasure with their lack of action.
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I feel that Steve Kerr expressed that more directly, eloquently and effectively. Sadly, he has more credibility on the matter too. Kapler’s mild statement and ambiguous action isn’t going to inspire too many people.
 
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Knightmoves said:
Does anyone here take him seriously? He will let us know when the US is living up to his standards?

“Kapler said Friday he will no longer stand with his team for the national anthem until he "feels better about the direction of our country" in the wake of the Texas school shooting on Tuesday that left 19 students and two teachers dead.

"I don’t plan on coming out for the anthem going forward until I feel better about the direction of our country," he told reporters before Friday’s game. "That’ll be the step. I don’t expect it to move the needle necessarily. It’s just something I feel strongly enough about to take that step."

“Every time I place my hand over my heart and remove my hat, I'm participating in a self congratulatory glorification of the ONLY country where these mass shootings take place," Kapler wrote on his blog.
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Just like Kap 1.0, what Kap 2.0 doing is stupid. Many people believe the anthem and flag represent our military and all those that sacrificed to keep the nation free. Right or wrong, this muddles any other message someone cites for protesting it. So, from a purely marketing POV, this is a stupid way to protest.

On top of this, it seems like Kap 2.0 is trying to draw a lot of attention to himself. Whether intentional or not, it is coming across as selfish and self-motivating. If he truly wants to do something about gun control, run for office or support people that share your beliefs. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
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RUScrew85 said:
Another person who enjoys the benefit of Western/American culture, but hates it.

He's an uneducated moron. Keep jacking it with coconut oil gabe.
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So you're saying if some aspects of the country work in his favor, he should shut up and be happy and not want to see the less desirable parts improve? Interesting take.
Like if a restaurant gave you a perfectly cooked steak for dinner. A $500 cut of meat. The perfect steak. And on the side, they gave you a steaming pile of ****. You just eat the **** because the restaurant gave you steak, and you should now trust them blindly. Definitely don't question why they're serving **** as a side.
 
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mikebal9 said:
So you're saying if some aspects of the country work in his favor, he should shut up and be happy and not want to see the less desirable parts improve? Interesting take.
Like if a restaurant gave you a perfectly cooked steak for dinner. A $500 cut of meat. The perfect steak. And on the side, they gave you a steaming pile of ****. You just eat the **** because the restaurant gave you steak, and you should now trust them blindly. Definitely don't question why they're serving **** as a side.
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Take a nap G
 
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Eugene Sledge’s WW2 Diary, With The Old Breed”, depicting the horrors he and his fellow marines endured during the brutal battles of Pelelieu and Okinawa should be mandatory reading. I can’t understand how anyone can disrespect our flag and National Anthem after the sacrifices our veterans made for our freedom. Call me old fashioned but that’s what I believe in.
 
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National Anthem protests have happened many many times in our country’s history
this is what I found
( storming the capital is only allowed by the British and traitors so that’s not considered protesting)

Refusal to stand during the national anthem became a widespread form of protest during World War I.

In 1943.there was an incident where college students in Philadelphia refused to stand because he custom was leading to "rabid nationalism".

In the 1960s, refusal to stand during the anthem took place for a number of reasons. In the late 1960s, the protest became increasingly common among athletes and at schools, both as an opposition to the Vietnam War and as a protest of nationalism.

One of John Wooden’s UCLA teams (1969) didn’t come out of the locker room during part of that season until after the National Anthem was over , Wooden denied that was because some of his players would refuse to stand during the playing of the National Anthem, bit it was reported the reason was because of a protest started over how some black University of Wyoming athletes were treated that was spreading across the country

That same year other college players protesting the same issue made their schools stay in the locker-room until the playing of the anthem was over because they were going to refuse to stand while it was being played

In 1996 a Denver Nugget player refused to stand during the playing of the Anthem because he felt America was treating his religion wrongly.


We all know of the kneeling and staying in the locker room by some NFL teams recently, so getting upset at Kapler is kind of ridiculous and just a way of saying if you want to protest >you can only protest the way I like it to be and not the way it usually has been over the years..
 
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Retired711

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I'm not a big fan of gestures like Kapler's. All four of my grandparents emigrated from Eastern Europe to America, and I would never have been born if they hadn't. America is worth honoring even when it does the wrong thing. And, perhaps more importantly, I don't see how boycotting the anthem helps persuade anybody to support the gun control measures that Kapler wants.
 
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RUPete said:
I feel that Steve Kerr expressed that more directly, eloquently and effectively. Sadly, he has more credibility on the matter too. Kapler’s mild statement and ambiguous action isn’t going to inspire too many people.
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Wasnt Kerr the same guy on vid from 2 years ago wanting to remove police protection from schools
 
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retired711 said:
I'm not a big fan of gestures like Kapler's. All four of my grandparents emigrated from Eastern Europe to America, and I would never have been born if they hadn't. America is worth honoring even when it does the wrong thing. And, perhaps more importantly, I don't see how boycotting the anthem helps persuade anybody to support the gun control measures that Kapler wants.
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it really don't and seems like a useless gesture.
But for some its their way to put the issue they are raising in the lime light and not pushed to irreverence
Those protesting during the playing of National Anthem probably are frustrated that the issue they are trying to get solved seems to be something that is only talked about for a short time then forgotten about until the next time it happens , so they feel National Anthem protests will keep that problem in the public's eye and help get a solution before the next incident happens.

As for me protesting like Kapler is doing won't do a thing but put the protest more in the public's eye than the issue he's protesting.
Giving cover for those against doing what it takes to fix the problem the protest is about and turning it to be a National Anthem problem
 
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MADHAT1 said:
it really don't and seems like a useless gesture.
But for some its their way to put the issue they are raising in the lime light and not pushed to irreverence
Those protesting during the playing of National Anthem probably are frustrated that the issue they are trying to get solved seems to be something that is only talked about for a short time then forgotten about until the next time it happens , so they feel National Anthem protests will keep that problem in the public's eye and help get a solution before the next incident happens.

As for me protesting like Kapler is doing won't do a thing but put the protest more in the public's eye than the issue he's protesting.
Giving cover for those against doing what it takes to fix the problem the protest is about and turning it to be a National Anthem problem
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His protest may put the issue more in the public eye (although it's pretty clearly in the public eye already!) -- but is it in a way that helps advance the cause he supports, or that hurts it? I think the latter more than the former. But your mileage may differ.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
it really don't and seems like a useless gesture.
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Completely useless gesture. Most will complain about the flag issue and besides, nobody really cares what he thinks anyway. If he really wanted to make a difference, run for office or support a candidate that supports your beliefs. Put your money where you mouth is.
 
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I read that some of the parents may have open caskets and allow pictures of the childrens body to be released.

Maybe Kapler can stand for the anthem and hold the picture so the public can see what the real life impact is.
 
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tom1944 said:
I read that some of the parents may have open caskets and allow pictures of the childrens body to be released.

Maybe Kapler can stand for the anthem and hold the picture so the public can see what the real life impact is.
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Maybe someone could do the same at Wrigley
 
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superfan01 said:
Why do people get so worked up about what others do. If he doesn't want to come out of the dugout. Who cares.
isn't there more important things in everyone's life then if a random guy comes out of the dugout or not.
Who cares.
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Colin Kaepernick might care.
 
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