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V-Doub

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Hey, I think the United States is the best country in the world and has been the freest country in the world.

But your numbers don’t prove your point. In order for there to be an relative increase in the number of billionaires adjusted for inflation, there would have to have been less than 1050 people who were worth less than $77 million in January 1950 based on the CPI. Were there? That would be around 6% of the 1950 millionaires.

Does it really matter when it’s greatest increase in overall wealth in the world? United States has generated more wealth than any other country in the last 100 years, by large margin. Inflation is global and the US has been far less affected by inflation than 90% of the rest of the world and we’ve generated more wealth than any other country. There it is… You don’t have to calculate any of that if you already know we’ve had the largest wealth growth in the world (more than most of the world combined) and we’re one of the least affected by currency inflation. If you know those 2 things you know our economic system has been the world’s most successful. Which was my main point to begin with.

Why would we trash the most successful economic system the world has ever seen for some sort of hybrid capitalist/socialist/communist system when socialism and communism have proven to be less effective in creating wealth and growing the middle class? And that’s giving leftist economic philosophies the benefit of the doubt, some want full blown communism and/or socialism. Which have been unequivocally proven to be failures.

I’m all for improving our economic system where it makes sense and I’m all for the exploitation and analysis of alternative and potentially better economic systems. But when you’re the best in the world and the best the world has ever seen by a large margin… You don’t just start changing things for the sake of change. (progressives) Let other countries experiment with new radical economic systems and if they find something that works I have no doubt Americans will adopt it and do it better. Just like Britain did with us in the 1700s. They were the most dominant country economically at the time and they let poor up starts like us and Russia play around with new radical economic systems. And well before the advent of communism it became clear that capitalism was the world’s greatest economic system and they adopted it as quickly as they could. Consequently they’re still one of the world’s most dominant economic powers and if it wasn’t for 2 world wars (especially wwII) Britain might still be the most dominant economic power, without the United States vast natural resources.
 

Huskers123456

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Does it really matter when it’s greatest increase in overall wealth in the world? United States has generated more wealth than any other country in the last 100 years, by large margin. Inflation is global and the US has been far less affected by inflation than 90% of the rest of the world and we’ve generated more wealth than any other country. There it is… You don’t have to calculate any of that if you already know we’ve had the largest wealth growth in the world (more than most of the world combined) and we’re one of the least affected by currency inflation. If you know those 2 things you know our economic system has been the world’s most successful. Which was my main point to begin with.

Why would we trash the most successful economic system the world has ever seen for some sort of hybrid capitalist/socialist/communist system when socialism and communism have proven to be less effective in creating wealth and growing the middle class? And that’s giving leftist economic philosophies the benefit of the doubt, some want full blown communism and/or socialism. Which have been unequivocally proven to be failures.

I’m all for improving our economic system where it makes sense and I’m all for the exploitation and analysis of alternative and potentially better economic systems. But when you’re the best in the world and the best the world has ever seen by a large margin… You don’t just start changing things for the sake of change. (progressives) Let other countries experiment with new radical economic systems and if they find something that works I have no doubt Americans will adopt it and do it better. Just like Britain did with us in the 1700s. They were the most dominant country economically at the time and they let poor up starts like us and Russia play around with new radical economic systems. And well before the advent of communism it became clear that capitalism was the world’s greatest economic system and they adopted it as quickly as they could. Consequently they’re still one of the world’s most dominant economic powers and if it wasn’t for 2 world wars (especially wwII) Britain might still be the most dominant economic power, without the United States vast natural resources.
Agree with most if not all of this. Don't forget that a lot of these mega wealthy people have a large amount of their net worth tied up in stocks that can fluctuate wildly. And some of these stocks aren't even really that profitable. It isn't like back in the 1800's when a mega wealthy family owned a bunch of super profitable companies and usually land. Look at Elon. He has lost $121 billion in net worth since December 17th. And that was before today....
 

V-Doub

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Agree with most if not all of this. Don't forget that a lot of these mega wealthy people have a large amount of their net worth tied up in stocks that can fluctuate wildly. And some of these stocks aren't even really that profitable. It isn't like back in the 1800's when a mega wealthy family owned a bunch of super profitable companies and usually land. Look at Elon. He has lost $121 billion in net worth since December 17th. And that was before today....

Sadly, what I think most progressives don’t understand, (and I’m not aiming this at you specifically) is the world had one basic and dominant economic system for roughly 3000+ years, feudalism. Now the term wasn’t coined until the 1700s (labeled if you will) but in one form or another the world economic structure was based on local/regional feudalism.

Capitalism is only about 250 years old and its global success has surpassed anything our founders could’ve ever imagined. Capitalism is just an infant compared to humanity’s thousands of years under feudal economic systems. And I know progressives are defined by change and seek change for the sake of change, but people, we don’t have a better system to change to yet. Relax, then get a job.
 

Huskers123456

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Sadly, what I think most progressives don’t understand, (and I’m not aiming this at you specifically) is the world had one basic and dominant economic system for roughly 3000+ years, feudalism. Now the term wasn’t coined until the 1700s (labeled if you will) but in one form or another the world economic structure was based on local/regional feudalism.

Capitalism is only about 250 years old and its global success has surpassed anything our founders could’ve ever imagined. Capitalism is just an infant compared to humanity’s thousands of years under feudal economic systems. And I know progressives are defined by change and seek change for the sake of change, but people, we don’t have a better system to change to yet. Relax, then get a job.
Agree. I know this upsets people, but I'm not really much of a progressive. I just want a moderate in power. Don't care about parties.
 

Cruel Halo

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People bitching about the markets don't realize they're overbought by 2 years. We are long over due for a huge corrections across the board.

The prices are ridiculous and companies with negative earnings, ****** revenue and increasing debt are trading 30× to 40× earnings. It makes no sense.

The stock market is a legal ponzi scheme. Look at RGTI, it has 285M shares outstanding and was trading its float every 3 days.
 

TampaBaySkers

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I won't necessarily enjoy a recession, but what I do love is radicals all the sudden spinning the narrative to make it sound like a stock market crash and recession are a positive. Such a change in tune from the last few years. Maybe we'll all get more stimulus checks!
Check my receipts. Bond market told us a recession was coming far before the election. Not sure why you’re labeling me a radical..

If you want prices to go down and restore purchasing power then a deflationary recession is the only way.

I never received a stimmy check … my condolences to you
 

TampaBaySkers

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People bitching about the markets don't realize they're overbought by 2 years. We are long over due for a huge corrections across the board.

The prices are ridiculous and companies with negative earnings, ****** revenue and increasing debt are trading 30× to 40× earnings. It makes no sense.

The stock market is a legal ponzi scheme. Look at RGTI, it has 285M shares outstanding and was trading its float every 3 days.
We are in an everything bubble. Watch out below!!
 

V-Doub

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What the hell has happened to this thread?

You know a thread is like a river
Ever changin' as it flows
And the poster’s just a vessel
That must follow where it goes
Trying to learn from what's behind you
And never knowing what's in store
Makes each day a constant battle
Just to stay within the rules…
 

thall_

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So I stand corrected on the us in the top 5.
So either you were wrong, or you lied with the intent of purposefully being misleading. Either one discounts your opinion quite heavily.
I do not withdraw my opinion that the wealth gap in America or world wide for that matter is a negative for the middle and lower classes. Or that it continues to widen at an alarming rate. I do not believe that the few owning almost everything is good for anyone but those few.
"People being rich is bad for poor people" is a simpleton's view of the world.

Again, poor people don't create jobs. Poor people don't provide shelter. Hell, the median income for a US farmer is well over 6 figures.

If you want to believe that the US is some "A Tale of Two Cities" come to life, that's your right. Unfortunately, you have to answer for why the US is top 5 in median income to make that work. What makes that number so incredible is that the US houses nearly 40% of the world's millionaires and nearly 30% of the world's billionaires. Compare that with countries trailing just behind like China/India who don't even scratch the top 50 of that list.

Can you illustrate exactly how it is that a billionaire has taken money away from you in any tangible way, similar to how the government directly skims your wages?

I'll save you time on another failed google search and tell you that you can't.
 

thall_

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Im more for moderates also.
Hilarious considering our current President would've been considered a democrat 20 years ago.

the modern democratic party is a group of war-mongering neocons that have an irrational white guilt and love for trannies & gays.
 

61bigredfan

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Check my receipts. Bond market told us a recession was coming far before the election. Not sure why you’re labeling me a radical..

If you want prices to go down and restore purchasing power then a deflationary recession is the only way.

I never received a stimmy check … my condolences to you
Bond market inversion is not 100% predictive of a recession. The fed told us we had avoided a recession, and we had until….

There are many economists who describe the great depression as a big deflationary recession. So if you want more of that, I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of takers.
 

61bigredfan

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Hilarious considering our current President would've been considered a democrat 20 years ago.

the modern democratic party is a group of war-mongering neocons that have an irrational white guilt and love for trannies & gays.
Except for the fact that our current president is against affirmative action, against separation of powers, against social programs, against gay rights, against education. Other than that and a few other dozen things, you may have a point.

I don’t care one way or the other about trannies and gays, other than they should be treated fairly. I think it’s a mistake for them to allow their gender to define them.Allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports is not equal treatment, it’s unfair treatment of the women who are competing against them.
 

TampaBaySkers

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So either you were wrong, or you lied with the intent of purposefully being misleading. Either one discounts your opinion quite heavily.

"People being rich is bad for poor people" is a simpleton's view of the world.

Again, poor people don't create jobs. Poor people don't provide shelter. Hell, the median income for a US farmer is well over 6 figures.

If you want to believe that the US is some "A Tale of Two Cities" come to life, that's your right. Unfortunately, you have to answer for why the US is top 5 in median income to make that work. What makes that number so incredible is that the US houses nearly 40% of the world's millionaires and nearly 30% of the world's billionaires. Compare that with countries trailing just behind like China/India who don't even scratch the top 50 of that list.

Can you illustrate exactly how it is that a billionaire has taken money away from you in any tangible way, similar to how the government directly skims your wages?

I'll save you time on another failed google search and tell you that you can't.
Some people believe for someone to be rich someone else has to be poor. Same people believe that banks take your money to loan out to others. They don’t understand banks loan money into existence.
 

TampaBaySkers

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Bond market inversion is not 100% predictive of a recession. The fed told us we had avoided a recession, and we had until….

There are many economists who describe the great depression as a big deflationary recession. So if you want more of that, I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of takers.
No but it’s very good predictor. The sahm rule is also very good at predicting recessions. Both were triggered during Biden’s tenure - Big Daddy Buffett starting selling off stocks once these were triggered

Deflationary recessions are bad for the rich and over-leveraged investors - they are very good the middle class and savvy investors as it restores purchasing power
 

thall_

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Except for the fact that our current president is against affirmative action, against separation of powers, against social programs, against gay rights, against education. Other than that and a few other dozen things, you may have a point.
He's not, but all normal people have realized you're too dumb to believe otherwise. I genuinely hope you weirdos keep acting like this, your team will never will another election at this rate. I'm begging you to not become moderate.

ps, your test results came back again

 

c3o

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Except for the fact that our current president is against affirmative action, against separation of powers, against social programs, against gay rights, against education. Other than that and a few other dozen things, you may have a point.

I don’t care one way or the other about trannies and gays, other than they should be treated fairly. I think it’s a mistake for them to allow their gender to define them.Allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sports is not equal treatment, it’s unfair treatment of the women who are competing against them.
You’re wrong on every point above. Quit filling your head with tv propaganda.
 

TampaBaySkers

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He's not, but all normal people have realized you're too dumb to believe otherwise. I genuinely hope you weirdos keep acting like this, your team will never will another election at this rate. I'm begging you to not become moderate.

ps, your test results came back again

I like how he keeps taking the same test hoping for different results 🤣
 

Walleye 1

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You’re wrong on every point above. Quit filling your head with tv propaganda.
But but but Rachel Maddow said so…: it must be true. Although she got caught lying and spreading misinformation once again just a few days ago. Or just stupid. I believe a lot of both
 

61bigredfan

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I'll just leave this here


OK, so you believe everything posted by the king of ketamine? And do you believe that the folks in charge are going to make things better for you? Do you think that they’re going to send any money back to you? improve your lot in life? Good luck with that.
 

Walleye 1

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OK, so you believe everything posted by the king of ketamine? And do you believe that the folks in charge are going to make things better for you? Do you think that they’re going to send any money back to you? improve your lot in life? Good luck with that.
So funny the democrats loved him like 3 years ago. Haha
 

61bigredfan

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So funny the democrats loved him like 3 years ago. Haha
I never loved the guy. I think his cars are overpriced. I think the cyber truck is a piece of crap. I’m also not a big fan of somebody who has 10 or 11 children by three or four different mothers but that’s just me. I understand you may feel differently.
 

Walleye 1

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I never loved the guy. I think his cars are overpriced. I think the cyber truck is a piece of crap. I’m also not a big fan of somebody who has 10 or 11 children by three or four different mothers but that’s just me. I understand you may feel differently.
Oh so passive aggressive. Just stating a fact that the Democratic Party loved the guy. If you didn’t know that you aren’t as clued in as you think you are
 
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