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Cruel Halo

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What is the real story? Is the FBI withholding documents or is this some dog and pony show by the AG and DOJ? With the new administration (same as the prior), this whole thing seems contrived grandstanding and the reality is nothing will be released.

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What is the real story? Is the FBI withholding documents or is this some dog and pony show by the AG and DOJ? With the new administration (same as the prior), this whole thing seems contrived grandstanding and the reality is nothing will be released.

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Well they're missing. Why
 
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if it does get released it will be because of 2.0 ...list has been around a while now, certainly could have been release in the prior 4 years

..i have very mixed feeling about releasing it....everyone is just going to assume if you're on that list you're a pedo and it is going to destroy marriages and careers...and i find it impossible to believe everyone who stepped foot on his plane is a chester...we know that isn't going to be the case, so what do you do? if you release the list, you're going to destroy lives, many of whom will only be guilty of taking a free plane ride with a guy they had no idea was a monster...
 

Huskers123456

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if it does get released it will be because of 2.0 ...list has been around a while now, certainly could have been release in the prior 4 years

..i have very mixed feeling about releasing it....everyone is just going to assume if you're on that list you're a pedo and it is going to destroy marriages and careers...and i find it impossible to believe everyone who stepped foot on his plane is a chester...we know that isn't going to be the case, so what do you do? if you release the list, you're going to destroy lives, many of whom will only be guilty of taking a free plane ride with a guy they had no idea was a monster...
This kind of thinking is exactly why these people are never held accountable. Always some excuse to hide this ****. Everyone is about just doing something and fixing it later if you made a mistake. Why would a list of pedophiles be any different?
 
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This kind of thinking is exactly why these people are never held accountable. Always some excuse to hide this ****. Everyone is about just doing something and fixing it later if you made a mistake. Why would a list of pedophiles be any different?

Settle down francis...i'm all for executing pedo's and hope the guilty in this scenario are held accountable...releasing that list to the general public is a seperate issue from letting the guilty walk. Completely.
 
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This kind of thinking is exactly why these people are never held accountable. Always some excuse to hide this ****. Everyone is about just doing something and fixing it later if you made a mistake. Why would a list of pedophiles be any different?
I say channel Elon and “move fast, break things, ask questions later” but I suppose that doesn’t apply when the livelihoods of politicians, billionaires, and Silicon Valley types are at stake
 

Huskers123456

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Settle down francis...i'm all for executing pedo's and hope the guilty in this scenario are held accountable...releasing that list to the general public is a seperate issue from letting the guilty walk. Completely.
You are a lot more optimistic then me that these rich, connected people are treated the same as everyone else. I would be surprised if there aren't people walking around that are on that list that did horrific things.
 

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I say channel Elon and “move fast, break things, ask questions later” but I suppose that doesn’t apply when the livelihoods of politicians, billionaires, and Silicon Valley types are at stake
What has been broken? Why did you use quotation marks? What questions aren’t being asked?
 

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What's even more maddening is that our tax dollars probably paid for all of this.

And, what happened on that island goes far beyond pedophilia IMHO. Release the list and hang every single one of them that partook in the carnage. Set an example. That is, if we are still a republic rather than a foreign controlled tax farm.
 

dragonraider1

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What's even more maddening is that our tax dollars probably paid for all of this.

And, what happened on that island goes far beyond pedophilia IMHO. Release the list and hang every single one of them that partook in the carnage. Set an example. That is, if we are still a republic rather than a foreign controlled tax farm.
I do not agree with hanging. Yet, no matter what anyone escorted by Epstein to his "isle of ..." did while in paradise while being there in the first place has the evil odor of theft of American tax dollars. Rather than know every name I would like simply a number of America's elected officials that "attended festivities" along with EPA, FBI, JCOS, FDA, World organizations like NATO, WHO and the EU.
That and future transparency of the costs and "mission" of political travel at all levels of Government including State and local. I believe the trustworthy have either stayed the same or are now coming clean in front of the witness of America's Public. By the People for the People. All it takes is truth and verification by our government.
 

Dean Pope

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I say channel Elon and “move fast, break things, ask questions later” but I suppose that doesn’t apply when the livelihoods of politicians, billionaires, and Silicon Valley types are at stake
Meanwhile, the U.S. got a couple accused sex traffickers from Belgium, but they're popular on social media and wealthy so they couldn't have done anything wrong.

Rule of law is drifting away in this country.
 
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I can't believe some people don't want this out to save marriages and images? What?

No. Not everyone is guilty, but get this out in the light. Get the pressure turned up and the lights shone on the ones that ARE guilty. And try to get a few rats to squirm and see how many other rats they can lead you to....if you have enough evidence to nail even a few of them, the message would be sent.
 
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Dean Pope

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What's even more maddening is that our tax dollars probably paid for all of this.

And, what happened on that island goes far beyond pedophilia IMHO. Release the list and hang every single one of them that partook in the carnage. Set an example. That is, if we are still a republic rather than a foreign controlled tax farm.
Oh I would so love if all of that happened. Throw politics out the window. Don't let the wealthy manipulate the people through their preferred media. Go after ALL of them. Not just a few peons.
 
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Man I do not get some people....some of what i'm reading is akin to bombing an entire city to kill a few bad guys. I'd think it would be pretty easy to figure out who's guilty and who isn't. Interrogations, look at the pictures, we know they exist...video...cross reference to names on the list, charge em. Hang em....but the public doesn't need to know every detail of every criminal case.
 

GBRforLife1

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What is the real story? Is the FBI withholding documents or is this some dog and pony show by the AG and DOJ? With the new administration (same as the prior), this whole thing seems contrived grandstanding and the reality is nothing will be released.

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The story is that it was a likely intelligence operation. Ran by whom is questionable. But it was likely the US and other countries. Imagine how much illegal stuff they let go.
 
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Man I do not get some people....some of what i'm reading is akin to bombing an entire city to kill a few bad guys. I'd think it would be pretty easy to figure out who's guilty and who isn't. Interrogations, look at the pictures, we know they exist...video...cross reference to names on the list, charge em. Hang em....but the public doesn't need to know every detail of every criminal case.
This isn't every criminal case...this is a pedophile island with multiple former president's making visits, and the dude was killed in prison before trial....we deserve to know why/who.
 

c3o

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The story is that it was a likely intelligence operation. Ran by whom is questionable. But it was likely the US and other countries. Imagine how much illegal stuff they let go.
My theory is that Epstein put powerful people in compromised situations. Don’t go with the flow. They destroy your legacy as a pedophile. Many believe he worked for Mossad. And these tactics have been used for centuries to keep the prominent in line.

Read into what they do in Hollywood. Some bizarre stuff but notice how they all (actors) think alike and say the same stupid stuff. They’re compromised too. Music industry as well. Bieber being raped etc at the Diddy parties
 

Cruel Halo

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The story is that it was a likely intelligence operation. Ran by whom is questionable. But it was likely the US and other countries. Imagine how much illegal stuff they let go.
The amount of foreign diplomats shown on those flight logs is interesting. Flights to Russia then China with Bill Clinton and his secret service entourage was an interesting. The inclusion od US politicians makes me believe it was more than just "play time" for those people. Oh and of course, Phil Collins and his previous wife were on at least one of the documents. Always need some entertainment.
 

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The story is that it was a likely intelligence operation. Ran by whom is questionable. But it was likely the US and other countries. Imagine how much illegal stuff they let go.
Or maybe Epstein was a rich a-hole whose girlfriend recruited poor underage girls to have sex with Epstein and anyone who could help him gain money and influence including D and R politicians, as has been reported by almost everyone. Those people have enough influence to squash the info. Or, as Dershowitz did, to intimidate anyone who speaks out.
 

GBRforLife1

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Or maybe Epstein was a rich a-hole whose girlfriend recruited poor underage girls to have sex with Epstein and anyone who could help him gain money and influence including D and R politicians, as has been reported by almost everyone. Those people have enough influence to squash the info. Or, as Dershowitz did, to intimidate anyone who speaks out.
Maybe you're a fry cook.
 

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I think there's a reason epstein is no longer living. I heard some greasy lawyers say diddler might get out
 

Man Woman & Child

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if it does get released it will be because of 2.0 ...list has been around a while now, certainly could have been release in the prior 4 years

..i have very mixed feeling about releasing it....everyone is just going to assume if you're on that list you're a pedo and it is going to destroy marriages and careers...and i find it impossible to believe everyone who stepped foot on his plane is a chester...we know that isn't going to be the case, so what do you do? if you release the list, you're going to destroy lives, many of whom will only be guilty of taking a free plane ride with a guy they had no idea was a monster...

100% that just because someone's name is on the list, that doesn't mean they were participating in diddling underage girls. Im sure there were some, but the vast majority were were just doing what people of wealth and influence do...hanging out with other people of wealth and influence. I would think (hope) most of the general public would know that.
 

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I have read several articles on this mess. Lots of people may show up on “the list” suck as Alan Dershowitz and his associates who were the corporate attorneys who did some work for Epstein early on.

Epstein was likely one in a long line of influential “hosts” whose goal was two fold - offer some services and at the same time work for various governments. The US has a long history of capturing video of persons in compromising situations, foreign and our own, and using it against them when they needed an ally for something. I think you can easily find this information.

There is a ton of information that will be redacted in these documents which is what is taking time. My guess is we won’t see all the names and some we see won’t really have done all the bad stuff we have heard about, like Dershowitz and company.

I will take it all with a grain of salt like finding the body of Jim Hoffa or opening a safe that has been buried for hundreds of years.
 

Huskers123456

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100% that just because someone's name is on the list, that doesn't mean they were participating in diddling underage girls. Im sure there were some, but the vast majority were were just doing what people of wealth and influence do...hanging out with other people of wealth and influence. I would think (hope) most of the general public would know that.
I have no problem having these people having to defend/explain themselves. If I was occasionally (or often) hanging out with a guy who was a huge pedophile I would expect to have to explain that to people in my life.
 

Huskers123456

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Bondi is accusing Patel of withholding files? I thought Patel was release everything guy? No idea how these people aren't on the same page.
 

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Bondi is accusing Patel of withholding files? I thought Patel was release everything guy? No idea how these people aren't on the same page.
I don't think that's the case. My read is that Bondi is simply going through the expected channels (via the FBI Director) to make sure he's aware that there may be missing docs being held by a NY FBI office. I don't see it as her being accusatory towards Patel.
 

Man Woman & Child

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I have no problem having these people having to defend/explain themselves. If I was occasionally (or often) hanging out with a guy who was a huge pedophile I would expect to have to explain that to people in my life.

Pretty large gap between having to explain that to people in your life and automatically being found guilty before proven innocent in the court of public opinion. I imagine there will be varying degrees of all that if/when a list actually comes out, i.e. someone took one trip on one plane one time vs. someone went to the sex island 30 times. One is really easy to explain away and one definitely raises eyebrows, and everything in between.
 
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