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Skull83

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The name of 65-year old KC Keeler is notable in these parts as well.
He has a little Cignetti in him, he's won everywhere he's been and has always done a lot with transfers. I doubt that he'd move from Sam Houston to Rice unless it was REALLY a lot of money and he feels close to retirement.
 
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Knight Shift

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He has a little Cignetti in him, he's won everywhere he's been and has always done a lot with transfers. I doubt that he'd move from Sam Houston to Rice unless it was REALLY a lot of money and he feels close to retirement.
 
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KnightFan

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My son goes to Rice.

It’s hard to find a school where the student body cares less about football - there are usually a few thousand people in the stands - tops. When we were there for parents weekend last year, tickets on the 50 yard line, first row, were $20 on Stub Hub

My son watches Rutgers football regularly and hasn’t been to a full Rice game all year (he has been to small parts of two games)

I’ve often wondered how you sell that to a kid - “Hey, you’ll play here and look at this crowd”…
 

newell138

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Aug 1, 2001
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My son goes to Rice.

It’s hard to find a school where the student body cares less about football - there are usually a few thousand people in the stands - tops. When we were there for parents weekend last year, tickets on the 50 yard line, first row, were $20 on Stub Hub

My son watches Rutgers football regularly and hasn’t been to a full Rice game all year (he has been to small parts of two games)

I’ve often wondered how you sell that to a kid - “Hey, you’ll play here and look at this crowd”…
sell the playing time and chance to play at places like Annapolis, West Point, Florida
 
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vkj91

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My son goes to Rice.

It’s hard to find a school where the student body cares less about football - there are usually a few thousand people in the stands - tops. When we were there for parents weekend last year, tickets on the 50 yard line, first row, were $20 on Stub Hub

My son watches Rutgers football regularly and hasn’t been to a full Rice game all year (he has been to small parts of two games)

I’ve often wondered how you sell that to a kid - “Hey, you’ll play here and look at this crowd”…
They don’t sell the crowd. They sell them the same degree that you are paying 350k for for free.
 

KnightFan

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They don’t sell the crowd. They sell them the same degree that you are paying 350k for for free.
Please don’t remind me 😞

Lots of other places can sell a comparable degree with more fanbase support
 

RUnTeX

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They don’t sell the crowd. They sell them the same degree that you are paying 350k for for free.
Not sure the numbers in the current day and age, but a generation or so ago the price of the prestigious Rice degree was very much a bargain as private universities go. It was about half the price of an uber expensive NYU or BU, for example, and maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of a typical pricey private such as Duke or Northwestern or Vanderbilt.
 

KnightFan

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Not sure the numbers in the current day and age, but a generation or so ago the price of the prestigious Rice degree was very much a bargain as private universities go. It was about half the price of an uber expensive NYU or BU, for example, and maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of a typical pricey private such as Duke or Northwestern or Vanderbilt.
It’s approximately 80k for tuition, room, and board . not the bargain it used to be
 
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Knight Shift

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My son goes to Rice.

It’s hard to find a school where the student body cares less about football - there are usually a few thousand people in the stands - tops. When we were there for parents weekend last year, tickets on the 50 yard line, first row, were $20 on Stub Hub

My son watches Rutgers football regularly and hasn’t been to a full Rice game all year (he has been to small parts of two games)

I’ve often wondered how you sell that to a kid - “Hey, you’ll play here and look at this crowd”…
Do you or your son know why EJ Warner transferred to Rice from Temple? To be closer to home (Arizona)? Seems he went from bad to worse, but at least that gave Evan Simon a shot to be a starting QB. Temple just fired their head coach.
 
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ClassOf02v.2

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Do you or your son know why EJ Warner transferred to Rice from Temple? To be closer to home (Arizona)? Seems he went from bad to worse, but at least that gave Evan Simon a shot to be a starting QB. Temple just fired their head coach.
No knowledge about EJ’s decision, but if it were me and I knew my football career was not going to progress to the next level, I’d do it for the Rice degree alone.
 

Knight Shift

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No knowledge about EJ’s decision, but if it were me and I knew my football career was not going to progress to the next level, I’d do it for the Rice degree alone.
That's a very good point. Not sure if the stats will show up below from ESPN, but he had a couple of very good years at Temple, throwing for over 3,000 yards each year, and a decent completion and TD/INT ratio. He had a not so great year this year. You may know his father his Kurt Warner, a former NFL QB. I remember when RU played at Temple in 2022, Greg sought EJ out after the game to congratulate him on a good game. He had a good game against Rutgers that year. Maybe not an NFL prospect, but perhaps CFL.





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vkj91

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Please don’t remind me 😞

Lots of other places can sell a comparable degree with more fanbase support
Such as?
Not being a wise *** but….
My daughter almost went to Rice. In fact, she was committed there for almost a year. If you look at the typical athlete there
While comparable degree they aren’t good enough to play at Duke, Stanford or Northwestern. Georgetown is comparable but a step down football wise.
Curios to see what school you think is similar academically that the average Rice Athlete could play at.
That was an issue for my daughter. Not good enough for those high end academic ACC or PAC schools. Wanted no part of cold weather so eliminated all the Ivy League.
 
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vkj91

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Not sure the numbers in the current day and age, but a generation or so ago the price of the prestigious Rice degree was very much a bargain as private universities go. It was about half the price of an uber expensive NYU or BU, for example, and maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of a typical pricey private such as Duke or Northwestern or Vanderbilt.
80k but they do an amazing job with aid for lower income families. It’s kind of like the Ivy’s. You are either going basically for free or paying full sticker.
 

KnightFan

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Such as?
Not being a wise *** but….
My daughter almost went to Rice. In fact, she was committed there for almost a year. If you look at the typical athlete there
While comparable degree they aren’t good enough to play at Duke, Stanford or Northwestern. Georgetown is comparable but a step down football wise.
Curios to see what school you think is similar academically that the average Rice Athlete could play at.
That was an issue for my daughter. Not good enough for those high end academic ACC or PAC schools. Wanted no part of cold weather so eliminated all the Ivy League.

I was thinking Stanford , but Duke and Northwestern definitely fit the bill .

If you are saying that we are talking about students that can’t play at those schools, then yes, it would make sense for them to consider Rice.
 

RUDiddy777

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Such as?
Not being a wise *** but….
My daughter almost went to Rice. In fact, she was committed there for almost a year. If you look at the typical athlete there
While comparable degree they aren’t good enough to play at Duke, Stanford or Northwestern. Georgetown is comparable but a step down football wise.
Curios to see what school you think is similar academically that the average Rice Athlete could play at.
That was an issue for my daughter. Not good enough for those high end academic ACC or PAC schools. Wanted no part of cold weather so eliminated all the Ivy League.

Great school and great connections to the energy sector. Worked with a lot of Rice grads down in Houston.
 

NickRU714

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In all fairness, he was a disaster here.

While he perhaps wasn't ready for the job, not really sure what the expectations were supposed to be.

First year of a brand new offensive system didn't immediately have success.
Also, water is wet.

If we brought in a triple option OC next season, I'd expect significant growing pains as well.

HC Ash should have been fired on the spot the moment he suggested OC Kill as the replacement.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in real time.
 

RUnTeX

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It’s approximately 80k for tuition, room, and board . not the bargain it used to be
Ouch...indeed not so anymore.

Is it still a rather small enrollment? I think it was less than 5K undergrads back in the early 90s. Not going to fill many small football stadiums even if the entire student body was to show up along with whatever slice of the local Houston area alumni base would care to still follow the program.
 

NickRU714

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Perhaps a dumb question - so why exactly does Rice have a football team?

This is my point in other threads - if a school like Rice isn't dropping football amid the NIL "crisis" where nobody except 4 schools can compete, then NIL isn't actually a crisis and the downfall of college athletics.
 

RUnTeX

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80k but they do an amazing job with aid for lower income families. It’s kind of like the Ivy’s. You are either going basically for free or paying full sticker.
They have a very sizable endowment for a small and young (only founded in early 1900s) school. If they're tapping into that, probably explains how they subsidize the need-based aid for those who qualify for it.
 
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KnightFan

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Ouch...indeed not so anymore.

Is it still a rather small enrollment? I think it was less than 5K undergrads back in the early 90s. Not going to fill many small football stadiums even if the entire student body was to show up along with whatever slice of the local Houston area alumni base would care to still follow the program.
Still small - 4500 or so undergraduates, but they have been expanding a bit, including building more dorms on campus

So yes - even if all of the students went to the stadium (roughly 50,000 capacity) for games, it would still be empty
 

vkj91

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I was thinking Stanford , but Duke and Northwestern definitely fit the bill .

If you are saying that we are talking about students that can’t play at those schools, then yes, it would make sense for them to consider Rice.
If they could play at those schools they wouldn’t go to Rice
 
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KnightFan

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Do you or your son know why EJ Warner transferred to Rice from Temple? To be closer to home (Arizona)? Seems he went from bad to worse, but at least that gave Evan Simon a shot to be a starting QB. Temple just fired their head coach.
EJ just announced he is going to be transferring out of Rice, I wonder what he was hoping to get out of the experience
 
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Knight Shift

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EJ just announced he is going to be transferring out of Rice, I wonder what he was hoping to get out of the experience
Obviously, he did not go to rice for the degree. I thought he may have moved to Texas to be closer to home so perhaps his parents could see more of his games. I would have loved to have EJ Warner at Rutgers, and that is no knock on Athan, and now that we have Athan, I would not want to see him go unless it was a definite upgrade.

In the last game of this season, Warner was
2742430 , 3 TDs

His stats have to take into account that he had horrible OLs at Temple in 2022 and 2023, and the OL at Rice may have been worse than Temple's OL. He's a baller, and reminds me a little bit of Diego Pavia, but he is not a running threat.

Warner's stats:

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RUDiddy777

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While he perhaps wasn't ready for the job, not really sure what the expectations were supposed to be.

First year of a brand new offensive system didn't immediately have success.
Also, water is wet.

If we brought in a triple option OC next season, I'd expect significant growing pains as well.

HC Ash should have been fired on the spot the moment he suggested OC Kill as the replacement.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in real time.

He tried to force a system on players who were recruited for a different system - something a coach with some seasoning wouldn’t have done. You have to adapt to the roster you have, not the one you want. He was also quite immature. Good to see he grew up, folks always said the smarts were there.
 

RUskoolie

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That guy was pretty awful. Tried to jam a square peg in a round hole and then after we went 2-10 and took our lumps, Ash scraps the entire offense for some garbage Jerry Kill scheme....

Still remember him and his 45 second 3 and out coaching calls against Michigan when we were down like 48-0.
 

RUDiddy777

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Feb 26, 2015
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That guy was pretty awful. Tried to jam a square peg in a round hole and then after we went 2-10 and took our lumps, Ash scraps the entire offense for some garbage Jerry Kill scheme....

Still remember him and his 45 second 3 and out coaching calls against Michigan when we were down like 48-0.

Can’t imagine how terrible it would have been to be on the defensive side of the ball during his term.
 

Plum Street

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Jun 21, 2009
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That guy was pretty awful. Tried to jam a square peg in a round hole and then after we went 2-10 and took our lumps, Ash scraps the entire offense for some garbage Jerry Kill scheme....

Still remember him and his 45 second 3 and out coaching calls against Michigan when we were down like 48-0.
People here and on BTN loved the kill hire .
After the big Purdue win, many fans thought we had the answer
 

vkj91

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People here and on BTN loved the kill hire .
After the big Purdue win, many fans thought we had the answer
If kill could have stayed healthy he would have been a great hire. Just like fridge. Kill and fridge are the best two coaches this program has ever seen. More accomplished than any HC we’ve had
 
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