and why it's good or bad? I see a lot written about it, but I figured some of you guys would know more than me since I'm in North MS, especially you Metro area folks.
OT: Could someone explain the One Lake issue
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My questions regard water levels. If it is in fact a flood control project will the water levels fluctuate as badly as Enid, Grenada etc.. If they do it will be difficult to develop the shorelines .
It's flood control in that it will do the opposite.
They will dig up the area where the levee system is now, deepen and widen it, basically to make it a lake instead of a canal. That way when the water level is rising upstream, it will die in the lake and will hardly be noticeable.
ETA: This will also make a huge swath of land that is currently levee/swamp/flood zone, developable. There is the potential then to add residences, recreational uses, etc. If handled properly it could actually be something to help Jackson (and to a lesser extent, Rankin County.)
They will dig up the area where the levee system is now, deepen and widen it, basically to make it a lake instead of a canal. That way when the water level is rising upstream, it will die in the lake and will hardly be noticeable.
ETA: This will also make a huge swath of land that is currently levee/swamp/flood zone, developable. There is the potential then to add residences, recreational uses, etc. If handled properly it could actually be something to help Jackson (and to a lesser extent, Rankin County.)
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Yes. It’s not about flood control. It’s about development. Hinds County is praying that lakefront development will bring back some much needed tax revenue in the form of white people to settle inside that Jackson city limits.
Personally, the Pearl River is very important, Hell much more important, to people in south MS and LA than it is for central MS. The Pearl River is utilized as part of our state boundary in south MS, it is used by the Navy Seals based out of Stennis in PR/Hancock counties and it is critical to south Louisiana as people who live and fish on it depend on it for livelihoods. Everything that comes out of the Spillway at the reservoir affects a vast area south of us. Just the anticipated amount of mud and silt that would be released into it would clog most of the Pearl south of Byram.
The difference between the Rankin and Hinds County side’s of the proposed lake would look similar to the North/South Korean border.
Personally, the Pearl River is very important, Hell much more important, to people in south MS and LA than it is for central MS. The Pearl River is utilized as part of our state boundary in south MS, it is used by the Navy Seals based out of Stennis in PR/Hancock counties and it is critical to south Louisiana as people who live and fish on it depend on it for livelihoods. Everything that comes out of the Spillway at the reservoir affects a vast area south of us. Just the anticipated amount of mud and silt that would be released into it would clog most of the Pearl south of Byram.
The difference between the Rankin and Hinds County side’s of the proposed lake would look similar to the North/South Korean border.
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Cities rely on tax revenue from big business and industry. Taxes from individuals are but a grain of sand in the desert.
They do go hand in hand... As in, not much new businesses or industry coming if there's no 'tax base' around here.
Right, the people
bring the businesses.
I'm just saying that the cities rely on tax revenue from businesses/corps, not me or you. We are a drop in the bucket.
bring the businesses.
I'm just saying that the cities rely on tax revenue from businesses/corps, not me or you. We are a drop in the bucket.
Central MS wants to ruin the south MS and LA portions of the river and marsh so they can develop something in central MS and they’re masking it as flood control. I’m a guy who is from the coast, family still has a place on the coast, and I fish so I’m probably a little biased but coastal erosion is much more important than hinds co politicians royally screwing up another project. They just used $50 million of BP oil spill money on a massive restoration project and this proposal pisses all over that.
http://m.wlox.com/wlox/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:JOaWSzfh
http://www.gulfspillrestoration.noaa.gov/mississippi-hancock-county-marsh-living-shoreline-project
ETA- For full context the gov’t folks are saying it won’t have any effect downstream but folks downstream don’t seem to believe that.
http://m.wlox.com/wlox/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:JOaWSzfh
http://www.gulfspillrestoration.noaa.gov/mississippi-hancock-county-marsh-living-shoreline-project
ETA- For full context the gov’t folks are saying it won’t have any effect downstream but folks downstream don’t seem to believe that.
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No needing to even worry about it coming to fruition. They have been beating this dead horse for years and years. Remember when it started as a twin lakes proposal? Anything that can bring something good to central mississippi gets shot down because of our do nothing representatives.
Has nothing to do with "do nothing representatives". It has to do with people downriver (in Louisiana and MS) not being keen on risking their situation being royally 17ed up because some people in Jackson want to create some water front property to develop.
I can get where they are coming and if I were them, I'm not sure who I would trust to study the issue and feel confident there would be no impact downstream.
There's plenty of blame to go around when complaining about how long it's taken.
Washington bureaucracy
Corps of Engineers
Animal rights activists
Everyone involved in the slap fight between Rankin County vs. City of Jackson
Mr. McGowan has fought through a lot of adversity (and spent a lot of his own money) to keep this plan going. Yes, he and others will make money if it's done, but there's no doubt he believes this plan is good for the area, will be a real flood control measure and save lives. He's passionate about that.
Also, my opinion is the 'twin' lakes idea is not dead. I'm thinking he may have agreed to cut it to one lake now to appease the Corps, with the hope of adding the second lake to the north of Lakeland at a later date. But that's just a guess.
Washington bureaucracy
Corps of Engineers
Animal rights activists
Everyone involved in the slap fight between Rankin County vs. City of Jackson
Mr. McGowan has fought through a lot of adversity (and spent a lot of his own money) to keep this plan going. Yes, he and others will make money if it's done, but there's no doubt he believes this plan is good for the area, will be a real flood control measure and save lives. He's passionate about that.
Also, my opinion is the 'twin' lakes idea is not dead. I'm thinking he may have agreed to cut it to one lake now to appease the Corps, with the hope of adding the second lake to the north of Lakeland at a later date. But that's just a guess.
that picture looks kinda fake. jackson is too poor for helicopters. looks like someone built a miniature version of jackson and then poured brown water over it and took a picture.
Lake north of Lakeland no longer feasible due to a wetland mitigation area being created along the river.
You're correct.
People south of this being up on arms about it are clueless. You can build a whole series of lakes and release the water at THE EXACT SAME RATE as before. Do not need an engineering degree to know this
Coast won't hardly be affected at all
More than a little biased, I'd say. Tell me specifically how this ruins MS and LA
we are saying South MS and LA. In central MS the Pearl River is more of a nuisance. The southwest part of the state depends on the Pearl being maintained at navigable depth. The southeast part of LA that borders MS depends on it being maintained at a certain level as well. The Spillway at the reservoir is currently what maintains that level. The river drops in Bogalusa or at Stennis? Open the gates. It has worked very well. Now you want to put a 2nd damn and Spillway in its path that is not solely controlled by the PRVA? Take a drive one day south through Columbia and follow the river through Bogalusa and Picayune and Pearl River, LA and the Honey Island Swamp. There’s a whole lot of people dependent on that river being open and not controlled so some ******* in Gluckstadt has a place to park his 36’ cabin cruiser.
No offense but I would prefer that unbiased people WITH engineering degrees make this call. It would be a shame to irreparably damage the ecosystem of the lower pearl basin for the sake of this project. IMO
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You don't need an engineering degree to know that the rate of water flow is not the only thing that's potentially relevant.
Let me start off by saying I am not a hydrologist. As I see it, digging out a deeper/wider lake bed and putting one or two low head dams Jackson would only impact river levels downstream, until the lakes in Jackson filled to capacity. At that point, the same amount of water would begin flowing downstream as normally occurs and would not impact the amount of water going down the Pearl in any way. What am I missing here?
Very intuitive of you. In fact, that is why I asked it.
Anyone a Corps of Engineers guy? ... Anyone?
The PRVA would have to control the second dam or I agree, it wouldn't be feasible. I cannot imagine they would not control it. This is where anti-Jackson type bias comes out
I'm assuming this lake would have a gated spillway that can be adjusted. To make it flood control they would have rule curve of how much water should be in the lake at certain times (summer pool/winter pool). The lake levels would fluctuate to account for spring rains. Much like Arkabutla, Sardis, Enid, and Grenada work.
How about politics? Who gets to determine when water is dumped out? Is keeping the water level south of the lake at least as good as it would be without the lake going to be the only consideration?
What is the surface area of the lake? Could unexpected heavy rainfall when the lake is already at a high level actually result in a higher rate of flow down the river?
Is the lake going to act essentially like a settling pond, and will that have any impacts to water quality downstream?
Maybe these issues are easy to predict and handle. I'm assuming we've got plenty of examples across the country to look at for lessons learned. But I can understand people on the south who depend on the river not having confidence that it's going to be done correctly. Even if they feel like it very likely will not have a negative impact, I can understand them feeling like there is no reason for them to bear the risk if they don't feel they'll receive any benefit.
1. filling the lake - What happens to the area south while filling the lake? They’d obviously take a short term hit, but what would long term damage be?
2. after lake is filled and they begin releasing water - Is there a domino effect from 1 above? Does filling the lake cause issues and then releasing a large volume of water magnify those issues?
Again, who controls the flow?
I’m sure there are studies that can be done on other places, but it isn’t cut and dry like you make it out to be.
2. after lake is filled and they begin releasing water - Is there a domino effect from 1 above? Does filling the lake cause issues and then releasing a large volume of water magnify those issues?
Again, who controls the flow?
I’m sure there are studies that can be done on other places, but it isn’t cut and dry like you make it out to be.
From someone with direct knowledge of this whole study, all of these questions are being addressed in the ongoing environmental study for this project.
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