In going through college process this year learned RU nursing accepts less than 2% of applicants, 60 out of 3200 for incoming class.
OT: Campus Tour
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Second or third row from the back during the info session, you spoke with another SA earlier and I just checked in to make sure you had been taken care of?
My wife and daughter enjoyed the tour today. Their main comment was that the bus tour was too short and did not get into enough detail. My daughter really liked Busch and college ace campuses, but did not care much for Livingston or cook/Douglas. Livingston is way better then it was when I lived there in the late 80s, but unless you are doing business or literature you will spend all your time on the other campuses.
After the tour they talked to the academic.advisor for environmental science and bioenvironmental engineering and my daughter came away really ecxited about what RU has to offer. Just vaulted RU into second place behind Columbia. Not much chance she gets into Columbia, so looks like RU is in a good position.
Bus tour too short? Gasp! Frankly, many people feel the bus tour is too long, I'd be curious to hear what more detail you were hoping for.
Livingston includes the Business school, psychology, meteorology, latin american studies, along with several other departments. Many students spend quite a bit of time there. (Personally, I've lived there the past two years.)
I am an engineer and spent most of my time last year (sophomore) on Livingston. In addition to living there, I had 3 classes there (out of 8) so, nope not just for business and english ! Plus with the business school study areas (really nice and also quiet and rarely crowded), the Starbucks, Qdoba, Market/Deli (which accepts meal swipes) and the movie theater ... there's many reasons to be on Livi and it's one of the more hopping campuses.
I'm not too sure about that. It depends on what you mean by "good." PSU digs pretty deep these days in NJ for those willing to pay very high out of state tuition. They take kids that could go to RU for sure, but no where near the top students they once got when they were more selective in taking out of state kids. The kids that go to PSU from our local HS are good students, but a dime a dozen. RU gets just as many, but both schools covet a higher caliber student. The out of state kids RU takes are a higher caliber student than what PSU takes.
Recent Engr grad here...those numbers are definitely inflated even for representing the 25 to 75 percentile...Ive been harping to have RU be more selective but $$ has to drive the number of accepted which i dont blame since our donations/endowment for a huge public school is definitely on the lower side
I completely agree with you about the PSU campus vs Rutgers. I'm actually in California on vacation right now and visited UCLA and UCSB and I could say the same exact thing about those campuses, UCLA reminded me a lot of PSU. While they obviously have an advantage with the weather and locales (UCSB is basically on a beach), their buildings are also extremely well maintained, even if buildings are brutalist style architecture which there is surprisingly a lot of on all of those campuses, they still find a way to make the environment attractive. Rutgers just does not take care of their buildings or care too much about their aesthetics. NJ Hall needs a renovation dearly. I hate what they did with Vorhees Hall. Scott Hall is an eyesore.
The other difference is that the grounds at these other universities are beautiful. There are no plain concrete walkways like at Rutgers, they are stone. When I saw the concrete walkways they put in at the Honors College I was just like why would you do that when you could make it better? The landscaping is just on a whole other level compared to Rutgers at these universities. I'm talking about flowers, shrubs, trees, fountains, statues etc. While Rutgers has some of that, it could just be so much better. These universities also grow ivy on their buildings. Rutgers doesn't anymore. They need to make a change.
I work in the health industry. About a quarter of those who I work with are high school students or younger.
First, I wanted to comment on Temple-and I'm glad Johnny99 and Good Ole' commented first. More and more over the years have heard positives about both Temple's ujndergrad and graduate programs .That said isn't that place a ghetto (and certainly worse vthan RU/NB)? Though I graduated from Cook in '86 (but that was before crack) I met a girl who said she transferred to RU because that campus esp surrounding area was so bad. Claimed a few of her friends had been sexually assaulted. Also remember her saying one day she stepped one stride off campus and a cop stopped her asking "why are you walking off campus?
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CamdenlawProf-you are DEFINITELY blinded because of your love for RU (there are reasons not to attend RU-esp if you are prelaw, as law schools admissons with only the LSAT and ANY GPA mattering only for the LSDAS=milking ones stats, is the biggest academic game there is) AND I think you, like many other "professionals" (=attorneys, physicians, veterinarians) don't understand the job search for "normal" people.
See my post below...
Camdenlawprof-think you are missing the nail with the hammer. First, though I used to say the same ( I attended Cook '81-'86 and GSM NB '94-'98). thing but at least since I looked at schools or shortly thereafter, Rutgers overall (maybe pre '80's) was never/never consistently ranked above Penn State in academics. My childhood friend who is the son of a big Pharma alum who was AHEAD of pharmacy namesake Ernst Mario (his son was in my HS homeroom and our graduating class along with Fred Gruninger's daughter) chose Penn State over RU, he claimed, because PSU had a top chemistry dept. However he also loved football (and until give or take med school-was still in touch with his PSU football buddies (nowadays very busy but does use his Moms and Dads BB and FB tix when they winter in Naples.
WHY CHOOSE A SCHOOL IN PART BIASED ON SPORTS? I don't think a football or basketball program is the ONLY factor in attending a school (for a non-athlete) but in itself is as large a factor (or at least in the ballpark) as academics. However:
1)If one isn't a frat type, and doesn't have a boy or girlfriemnd (when I attended RU 50% of all plus left on weekends to go home to work or be with their boy or girlfriend) sports is often what one looks forward to more than anything. In grad school (esp Law and Med) one knows most of the focus if not time will be geared towards academics/career. Note I was in a weed-out Coo k pre med/vet program made deliberately exceedingly difficult so my grad studies (esp w/o a GPA) were for the most part easier than my undergrad (had prof help with 2 of my MBA classes but I was referring to my MS at UNC).
2) Good sports programs improve a schools in-state and overall academic reputation.
I attended UNC and though my program may have been an exception, but sans one undergrad class in the B-school (though it may well have been too much research in my grad program-see money comments). thought my program was terrible. Also evidence the undergrads weren't all that savvy. However, unllke RU the Heels are nearly the tops in hoops, that raises pride in the school , that increases applcations, improves the school's rep, brings in more alumni money for better facilities (Rutgers traditionally behind the count if mot badly) and more research grants=money (see 3).
Where was BC before Flutie's "Hail Mary"?- BC was ranked below RU both academically w lower SAT scores when I was looking at schools in 1980-81. Had the BC recruiting package.
Ditto Villanova before their Big East Hoops success-more prestigious now than 30 years ago.
NOW, these schools, who used to be respites for those students too scared to handle RU/NB are now DESTINATIONS for the rich and wealthy. Even Springsteen sent a kid to BC (in addition to Dook, more of an overall powerhouse).
Notre Dame?- considered just below IVY. My experience-probably because of football. The graduates Ive met have never impressed me. Again, traditional football success increases applications that, in turn, give a school a higher rating and better reputation (oft unfounded based on non academic factors)
3) Schools with top sports programs tend to have both more alumni money and research money/grants available. Perhaps comparing apples to oranges (and 25-30 years ago) with my programs but at RU (MBA and undergrad) I don't ever remember any students receiving in-program jobs, money from research grants, yada. At UNC (probably a more research oriented program-and believe it affected teaching for the worse vs RU) all of my fellow students who wanted (just about everyone) had a 15-20 per wek job that paid well. This in turn, qualified most of my fellow students for cheap in-state tuition (I believe high hundreds per semester). Most of my fellow students were essentially attending the program close to FREE! Now compare to my (witjh interest) 80K in student loans, 90% plus from my Rutgers programs.
4) Top close knit schools/programs. I've seen have -IN-PROGRAM alumni directories with alum from the specific degree/major, handed out INITIALLY during recruitment for nternships, jobs, questions,yada. A bit dfferemt than a somewhat outdated career services list where career services calls a busy individual who says yes to make the call short and has no real vested interest in the given student. I saw such a list from Dook and was really impressed. Believe Notre Dame does the same.
WHY CHOOSE A SCHOOL IN PART BIASED ON SPORTS? I don't think a football or basketball program is the ONLY factor in attending a school (for a non-athlete) but in itself is as large a factor (or at least in the ballpark) as academics. However:
1)If one isn't a frat type, and doesn't have a boy or girlfriemnd (when I attended RU 50% of all plus left on weekends to go home to work or be with their boy or girlfriend) sports is often what one looks forward to more than anything. In grad school (esp Law and Med) one knows most of the focus if not time will be geared towards academics/career. Note I was in a weed-out Coo k pre med/vet program made deliberately exceedingly difficult so my grad studies (esp w/o a GPA) were for the most part easier than my undergrad (had prof help with 2 of my MBA classes but I was referring to my MS at UNC).
2) Good sports programs improve a schools in-state and overall academic reputation.
I attended UNC and though my program may have been an exception, but sans one undergrad class in the B-school (though it may well have been too much research in my grad program-see money comments). thought my program was terrible. Also evidence the undergrads weren't all that savvy. However, unllke RU the Heels are nearly the tops in hoops, that raises pride in the school , that increases applcations, improves the school's rep, brings in more alumni money for better facilities (Rutgers traditionally behind the count if mot badly) and more research grants=money (see 3).
Where was BC before Flutie's "Hail Mary"?- BC was ranked below RU both academically w lower SAT scores when I was looking at schools in 1980-81. Had the BC recruiting package.
Ditto Villanova before their Big East Hoops success-more prestigious now than 30 years ago.
NOW, these schools, who used to be respites for those students too scared to handle RU/NB are now DESTINATIONS for the rich and wealthy. Even Springsteen sent a kid to BC (in addition to Dook, more of an overall powerhouse).
Notre Dame?- considered just below IVY. My experience-probably because of football. The graduates Ive met have never impressed me. Again, traditional football success increases applications that, in turn, give a school a higher rating and better reputation (oft unfounded based on non academic factors)
3) Schools with top sports programs tend to have both more alumni money and research money/grants available. Perhaps comparing apples to oranges (and 25-30 years ago) with my programs but at RU (MBA and undergrad) I don't ever remember any students receiving in-program jobs, money from research grants, yada. At UNC (probably a more research oriented program-and believe it affected teaching for the worse vs RU) all of my fellow students who wanted (just about everyone) had a 15-20 per wek job that paid well. This in turn, qualified most of my fellow students for cheap in-state tuition (I believe high hundreds per semester). Most of my fellow students were essentially attending the program close to FREE! Now compare to my (witjh interest) 80K in student loans, 90% plus from my Rutgers programs.
4) Top close knit schools/programs. I've seen have -IN-PROGRAM alumni directories with alum from the specific degree/major, handed out INITIALLY during recruitment for nternships, jobs, questions,yada. A bit dfferemt than a somewhat outdated career services list where career services calls a busy individual who says yes to make the call short and has no real vested interest in the given student. I saw such a list from Dook and was really impressed. Believe Notre Dame does the same.
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Not necessarily true on all counts. Try getting a class size of below 25 at RU vs a smaller school (maybe in upper level classes). Also learned the very hard way that some companies may offer one internship/job PER SCHOOL. At Rutgers dozens-100 mght apply. At a smaller school many less aply for that same position. Extra help much easier to get outside the classroom at a smaller school. Most importantly, if you are an oddball major at a given school, the academic staff wlll go out of the way to see thatv you succeed from the start. At a largec sc hool that may happen with profs in upper level courses-IF YOU ARE LUCKY.
Case in point myself. My cousin, not the smartestv person in the family and had less than my abov e avg (didn't sztudy) SATS wanted to go to vet school as did I (actually he was in a much better positioned state of Florida with a vet school there vs NJ. The typical route n FLA was through UF.
MY cousin wisely decided to attend FSU-a nd then attend UF for one semester of needed requirements. He had both less undergrad competiton and a staff bednt on seeing a FSU grad would be accepted at UF for vet school. My cousin got in and is a vet.
I on the other hand went to Cook where 400 students out of a class of 800 in the ssame pathway were pre med and pre vet. Rutgers wants to spread people into all majors so "advisors" forced students into taking 6 weed out, TOUGH classes at a time., ***This resulted in 90% of the students being forced away from their dreams early whereas if they weren't so deviently weeded out, possibly could have made it. (Note after mixing up my schedule to a normal schedule I went from a 2.1 to 3.2, was almost always a Dean's List student and was cin AZlpha Zeta Honors Socety. Was also accepted (after 5th year with 4.0 average) at all grad schools I applied to.
What hzappened to me wouldn't have happened at a smaller school-and is a major reason why RU tradionally has such poor alumni loyalty.
RE: Class size of below 25.
64% of classes at RU are 30 students or less.
It partially depends on your major, but many, many classes are quite small.
Many of my classes have been in the 10-20 range. (History/Political Science Major, English/Jewish Studies minor.) And if you sit in the front, even large lecture classes aren't all that big.
RE: Extra help
Rutgers has tutoring centers on every campus, academic deans on every campus, and requires office hours. It's up to students to take advantage.
I've had professors make extra office hours, offer research and internship opportunities, and go out of their way to offer extra help.
Schools with sound admission policies take into account the institution at which the GPA was earned. Moreover, there's been so much grade inflation that really LSAT is the criterion for admission. The LSAT, although an aptitude test, does measure skills acquired in college -- like understanding complex material -- so the better the college the better the LSAT score will be. And your last sentence makes no sense to me: I don't see how the job search for "normal" people enters into anything we're talking about.
Like Ive said I was an undergrad 25-30 years ago so many things have changed for the better. However likely large size related problems such as internship and job competitiveness are much better at smaller schools.
My major complaint was the sheer lack of academic advising (really bad advising deliberately designed to hurt) . Moreover, I discovered 15 years plus after graduating, (on top of the weeding out) Cook made a programming error that changed thousands of transcripted GPAS-mine .2 in the lower direction. It made my law school (LSDAS) score lower and made it look I was lying to the l law schools.
My major complaint was the sheer lack of academic advising (really bad advising deliberately designed to hurt) . Moreover, I discovered 15 years plus after graduating, (on top of the weeding out) Cook made a programming error that changed thousands of transcripted GPAS-mine .2 in the lower direction. It made my law school (LSDAS) score lower and made it look I was lying to the l law schools.
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Here's what I went through:
1) Test 1 Villanova- for some reason two frat types kept talking with the proctor during the whole exam. Couldn't concentrate and didn't do well.
2)Test 2-Mom diagnosed with terminal cancer less than 48 hours before. Days before lost/quit my dead end job. Knew I was moving back home to NJ and my moms death (wound up being 3 1/2 weeks later). Also this was one of two exams I went back to Hickman Hall at Douglass and the left hand seating, broken back when I was an undergrad, was still broken.
3) After studying for close to a year was ready-and then-THE LSAT CHANGED COMPLETELY AND WAS MUCH HARDER. The logic games were virtually undoable. My Kaplan teacher said feedback was that only 2 students out of 14 got one of the games right.
***This on top of 2 years of weeding out and final transcripts that were botched up in the wrong direction. This on top of busting my butt with 3+ years of pre-whatever working countless hours per week on 5-6 classes designed to weed out whlle my law school bound roommate lterally sat around scratching his n*ts in his underwear and studied much easier philosophy and logic classes. He was so bored he transferred to Hawaii-Manoa for a year. How nice (I did gert into onec school that didn't look at LSATS as much but 1)the rate vof return didn't look good ; 2) didn't have the money
3)was wait listed bothc times and lterally I was given 24-48 hours to make a decision (once I was literally out thecdoor on vacation in a few hours and ironically pulled my 1st all nghterv ever to write a tearful "I can't accept" tnank you letter to the school.
LSAT based on experience? Biggest BS I have ever heard (at least in my day).
I also remember on a RU boat trip to Army I met a half livid cutie from my dorm saying how her roommate (another cutie) had almost failed out cof Cook but was accedpted into law school after one good LSAT score. LSDAS Score=Any GPA not weighted+LSAT score . That's before any quotas and alumni connections.
By the way Camden I fought my own foreclosure adding 1-2 years to the process. Sans the use of case law I was so adept to the process thst during my eviction (leaseback process-had no help to move and couldnt get the moving supplies I needed quick enough) I was handed a summons at 8pm to answer the next day by 4pm (using proper legalise). In my proudest moment I pulled an all nighter and got the paperwork in (totally throwing off the opposiing attorneys who received the paperwork the next day Saturday (of course they weren't working).
Come kangaroo court Monday (3 DAYS LATER) I had the opposing attorney asking me fo my [paperwork (yeah,right). Judge awarded me 2-3 more weeks in house that only helped a bit. Lawyers were so embarrassed and P*ssed off they deliberately used up the $10,000 escrow money they had of mine, Not smart enough to get accepted to law schools? Made experienced attorneys look like idiots. My unstable aggressive sister unfortunately did the same to me and my negligent estate attorney-(another story) costing me my house and eventually 99.9% of my possessions.
RUTBAY:
This is on the 2400 point scale and not the 1600 point scale I took it on 25 years ago, correct?
No, these are each on the 800 scale. Yes, that means 25% of Pharma applicants got a 790 or higher out of 800 on the math section of the SAT. That is incredible if true.
Edit: my daughter got the same sheet yesterday, so the numbers are correct.
25-30 years ago is practically ancient history when it comes to large parts of how RU is run today.
You can speak to this better than I can, but it's my experience that both law schools and law firms generally seek students from say the top 100 major universities and the top small liberal arts schools.
A lot of schools publish their biggest feeders, and Fordham's was basically Ivies, Fordham, BC, GTown, NYU, RU and Michigan.
Going to an "easy" undergrad is poor advice from that poster IMO. Go somewhere respectable where you will get good grades. If you cannot get good grades at RU, you should probably not become a lawyer.
I know people who went from RU to law school at Harvard, NYU, Penn...one on this board went to Michigan. RU is an excellent place for pre-law. Going OOS unless it's to an Ivy or Duke/Stanford type place will do absolutely nothing in law admissions.
We don't game the system (like rating Harvard a 0 so we see an increase in peer score).
Also, to be fair, our academic ratings have really only fallen in USNWR and been steady or higher elsewhere.
Our SAT scores have indeed risen dramatically. I heard Barchi speak at an alumni event this winter, and he said that our SATs went up another 10% (or something like that) last year.
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There are plenty of ways of having a social life at college other than attending sporting events. In fact, I doubt that going to games does much to help one meet people. OTOH, participating in intermural sports is a much better way of doing that. When I went to Cal-Berkeley, the intermural program attracted a lot of students (only guys in those days) who had a great time. Rooting for a winning team does lead to a sense of community, but there are lots of other ways to do that -- including making friends through intermural sports or through clubs or through your living situation. Sports teams get a school's name in front of the public, and that is good, but I think we shouldn't exaggerate what they do for a school.
Camden:
1) "plenty of ways"-yes and no. First, at UNC sports integrated into just about everyone's life as the town is. One thing that brought our Public Health "class" and other schools together was that each school could put in/apply for blocks of student tickets so you could sit with your classsmates. Ordinarily this wasn't most (make that any younger grad or undergrad wth a social life-correlate w living on campus vs off) desirable option. However at Carolina one had to line up for tickets and a voluntary student organization distributed the tickets "randomly"
(as in themselves and hot girls always seemed to wind up together on the 1st level of the Dean Dome). Putting your ID in for a block was a backup for ether not standing in line or getting shut out for tickets. Was able to get tickets for the 1987 Carolina -Dook game that way.
Always mad RU MBAs such as myself are never considered for athletic administration jobs. Anyways as I was also concerned about the lack of mutual feelings between the MBAS and RU sports I suggested the block ticket thing to the ticket manager who promptly told me that the MBAS "don't count" as their student fees don't pay for tickets.
By the way though a "club" two of my best job contacts ever (never made use of them sans getting into a sold out Springsteen show) I made through the court club/court club executive committee (where I served in memberships for several years).
Clubs-don't remember many and mostly people joined, weren't active and used to pad resumes. hat's why I'm at least a bit proud of my Alpha Zeta Honors membership. Had to have the grades and write/debate a paper.
Again, the major problem here was that the students were set up to be weeded out and had ridiiculous schedules. In my sophomore year the class I spent the least amount of time with was my most difficult-calculus. In that class 40% got D's andf F's 9and that was after I learned ther Prof was taking CASH from his own students to tudor them! I learned that when I went to office hours and ther Prof said "I'll help you but I jhave to give priority to the people who are paying me to tutor them!'. Such was the BS life as a Cook Student.
Intramurals are fne if you are athletic and like sports-and have contacts. If you were a commuter (I was after two horrible years on campus) for the most part you had no social life (and most didn't want it as they had such at home). Another big problem at a big major sports school is that only a few can play for the team so you have lots of quality players with years of organized training. "A" League at Cook my one year was Andrew Baker from , Football- was good enough for the hoops team. "B" -played 1st year were quality high school players. "C"-unsure of or if existed and "6 Foot and Under". At UNC I had a classmate, that according to himself, was good enough to play for the Heels but Dean didn't need another point guard (he got to sit on the bench and even judged a contest during my two years).
FYI won the Cook hoops "6 and under" in 1983 with the two kickers on the team (one great one not so good). Our "coach" who was already coaching if on the pros was the smallest black guy ever to play hoops from Camden (4"11). If you put a hand in his face he was helpless but many didn't and he had a decent shot and could play a bit of guard. I was last off the bench (if I had played consistently I was relatively good enough to have been the #2-#5 scorer as I was never at practice because of my weed out schedule-always at library.
We wound up with one loss in the final against a team who beat us (I missed game) during the season (on this board Shield's team but unlike his sports and Rutgers trivia Shields wasn't much of an athlete though ironically he wound up teaching phys-ed (Midland school I believe).
Anyways, the Final was scheduled for the Thursdsay before spring break and the top 6 players on the opposing team had decided to go to SpringBreak in Fla. Ed Levy or the powers that be nixed their request for a reschedule. We had those left as soon as we walked in in black t-shis with the rap music on the boombox! I relieved our "star" (my kicker friend) up by 15 and did justv as well as he. Ironically despite reinjuring foot ligaments I hurt running into the RAC I played most of the game. After I aggressively rebounded a ballng in flight mode and an opposing player tried to hammer me downcourt (layup?) I completely missed the happenings but my 4'11 coach from Camden threw a punch and was promptly tossed put of the game! Just lost my championship mug and 99 of my else last week via storage locker
auction. One of the few "good times".
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[QUOTE="camdenlawprof, Sports teams get a school's name in front of the public, and that is good, but I think we shouldn't exaggerate what they do for a school.[/QUOTE]
Not true (though one hopes that's not the case). Tell that to a Notre Dame, UNC yada Compare BC admissions/test scores pre and post the "Flutie Effect". Look at all I have written this thread.
Not true (though one hopes that's not the case). Tell that to a Notre Dame, UNC yada Compare BC admissions/test scores pre and post the "Flutie Effect". Look at all I have written this thread.
Obviously, you were not an engineering major. I gutted out a 3.0, and I don't know if that was "good," but I was damn proud of myself and made it into law school.
Agree with those who said you can make a large school a small school. Back in the mid 1980's the volunteer fire department at Rutgers was like a fraternity without the parties. Great bunch of students who worked along side paid firefighters and we got to go to the football and basketball games for free if we went in uniform.
Aside from that, the diversity of clubs and other activities at Rutgers lets a student find their place in the larger framework. Navigating the various campuses, buses and the bureaucracy was helpful when going out into the real world. Would not trade my experience at Rutgers for a smaller school, even though that is what I wanted as an incoming freshman.
Knight shift-not so sure I agree totally with the big to small thing but kudos on a 3.0 in engineering. Now, say ceteris paribus else (having gone through) your major do you think a 3.0 sociology major deserved admission over you? I feel just as proud
of my 3.2 overall (might have been 3.0 Biology). After 57 credits of weed out I learned not to listen to self interested advisors. I was at a 2.1 biology because I was an avg at best, given the weed out, BS (who got exams, profs soliciting students, profs winding uo in females rooms, prof taking cash for tutoring their current classes), yada. Once I learned how to play the game went home, commuted but still used the library (FOCUS) and was 3.5 rest of way with admission] to Alpha Zeta. Brought my 2.1 up to a 3.2 though it took a 5th year (4.0 las semester).
Re your experiences some people need a perfect environment in order to focus. Myself included. Last night after posting all night realized I might have ADD but I do have focus-just not necessarily the right priorities. Realized when I have quiet, comfort and elbow room I can usually focus and get things done and done well.
BTW you RU engineers were nightmares for me during my MBA. I have good quantitatrive skills but whoa! The engimneers understood all (probably had much in undergrad) and the profs taught to their level. Spent much time in extra help in a few quantitative classes.
of my 3.2 overall (might have been 3.0 Biology). After 57 credits of weed out I learned not to listen to self interested advisors. I was at a 2.1 biology because I was an avg at best, given the weed out, BS (who got exams, profs soliciting students, profs winding uo in females rooms, prof taking cash for tutoring their current classes), yada. Once I learned how to play the game went home, commuted but still used the library (FOCUS) and was 3.5 rest of way with admission] to Alpha Zeta. Brought my 2.1 up to a 3.2 though it took a 5th year (4.0 las semester).
Re your experiences some people need a perfect environment in order to focus. Myself included. Last night after posting all night realized I might have ADD but I do have focus-just not necessarily the right priorities. Realized when I have quiet, comfort and elbow room I can usually focus and get things done and done well.
BTW you RU engineers were nightmares for me during my MBA. I have good quantitatrive skills but whoa! The engimneers understood all (probably had much in undergrad) and the profs taught to their level. Spent much time in extra help in a few quantitative classes.
Not true (though one hopes that's not the case). Tell that to a Notre Dame, UNC yada Compare BC admissions/test scores pre and post the "Flutie Effect". Look at all I have written this thread.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the Flutie effect is a myth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutie_effect So too is the story that Northwestern had a strong effect from its Rose Bowl year. Yes, applications went up sharply -- but almost all of the extra applications were from students not good enough to get in. BC does so well because many Catholic high school graduates want to attend Catholic colleges because they are used to that kind of environment. Same with Notre Dame, which, despite what you say, is not nearly at an Ivy level. UCLA has had greater success over the years in sports than Cal-Berkeley, but no one would say that the UCLA student body is superior; Cal students call UCLA "University of California for Lesser Achievers."
Unfortunately, the Flutie effect is a myth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutie_effect So too is the story that Northwestern had a strong effect from its Rose Bowl year. Yes, applications went up sharply -- but almost all of the extra applications were from students not good enough to get in. BC does so well because many Catholic high school graduates want to attend Catholic colleges because they are used to that kind of environment. Same with Notre Dame, which, despite what you say, is not nearly at an Ivy level. UCLA has had greater success over the years in sports than Cal-Berkeley, b
ut no one would say that the UCLA student body is superior; Cal students call UCLA "University of California for Lesser Achievers."[/QUOTE]
Camden, say you are right on the "Effect". Well those teams for the most part improved dramatically overall) in the years afterwards. BC was much more renowned after Flutie. Logically in such cases the alumni are proud and donate more.Over time that leads to a higher endowment. Carolina s so popular because they have for the most part won and won BIG over many many years. Ditto ND football.
Believe it or not I saw a letter from a potential recruiter in my School of Public Health at UNC that read " Id like to come to campus to interview-if basketball tickets were made available!".
Camden, say you are right on the "Effect". Well those teams for the most part improved dramatically overall) in the years afterwards. BC was much more renowned after Flutie. Logically in such cases the alumni are proud and donate more.Over time that leads to a higher endowment. Carolina s so popular because they have for the most part won and won BIG over many many years. Ditto ND football.
Believe it or not I saw a letter from a potential recruiter in my School of Public Health at UNC that read " Id like to come to campus to interview-if basketball tickets were made available!".[/QUOTE]
BTW the catholic school thing is a mixed bag. Most likely those students want a smaller more individualized attention based school and classes (vs large, impersonal and perhaps too diverse). My sister went to Immaculata in Somerville. Was 1) Thrown out of the NHS as the #1 student in her class for cheating; 2) Stole and cost me $200,000 plus, ,my house and 99% of my possessions last week after father and uncle passed away. 3) Rarely if ever attended mass after Mom passed. 4) Is generally nasty to most people unles they can do something for her' 4) No evidence of visitiing parents
and uncle's grave for past 10 years. 5) Targeted and transferred into a large state U (UVA) after HS.
BC's and Villanovas ascent is fairly well correlated (amongst the middle and upper class) with Rutgers' failure over a long period on and off the football field and basketball court. Some will admit it DIRECTLY. The most popular school for those wanting to get away from NJ is Delaware (good rep fueled in part by some good teams over the years). One of our crew's daughters is an incoming frosh in a few weeks (bummed med out as I hoped shed be a cheerleader/introduce me to her "friends".
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So much for the much-vaunted upgrade. Now the program can't tell a reply from the message it is responding to! The theory that sports brings in more non-sports donations is also a myth.
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