OT: Burt Bacharach dead

[Tango Two]

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/legendary-composer-burt-bacharach-dies-at-94/

 

[mildone_rivals]

Nice long life. RIP.

 

[bac2therac]

Legend. I hope he is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. RIP

 

[MADHAT1]

One truly great talent, R.I.P.

 

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His music speaks for itself. He also wrote the theme music to the 1958 camp horror classic The Blob as well as Peter Sellers After thecFox, Walk on By was the first record (45) I purchase

He will be greatly missed but his music will live on :RIP

Mo

 

[RUhasarrived]

More important than Burt himself is the question:Will the world ever see the level of creativity as exhibited by those born in the era from 1920 to say 1970?Societal changes strongly suggest otherwise.

 

[Tango Two]

I Say A Little Prayer

Walk On By

Do You Know The Way To San Jose

The man behind some of the most famous songs ever written, Burt Bacharach, has died at the age of 94.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Nah. Creativity adapts and takes different forms. I personally have no appreciation of hip hop or rap, but they are a legit outlet of creativity and obviously have an appeal and resonate with many. Times change. But we continue to find new ways to express ourselves.

More important than Burt himself is the question:Will the world ever see the level of creativity as exhibited by those born in the era from 1920 to say 1970?Societal changes strongly suggest otherwise.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Definitely loss of a legend, I did not realize he was still around.

 

[ashokan]

He composed for violins, oboes and piano at McGill University but he also studied jazz in clubs. Those influences are in his up-scaled, popular works. He was also in the Army for two years like many artists back then (including Hendrix who was Airborne). Dude worked with a ton of people. He won three Oscars along with Grammys. One was for a song most people don't know he wrote with collaborators (his wife)

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[bac2therac]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Burt_Bacharach

 

[bac2therac]

Didnt know he wrote Close To You by Carpenters and they were not the original artist, they wrote it for Dionne Warwick but it was a minor hit for actor Richard Chamberlin



here is Dionne's version

 

[beaced_rivals]

We owe a huge debt to the creators and performers of the world.How plain and boring LIFE would be without them.

 

[ashokan]

Platinum hit for Marilyn McCoo (J. City)

 

[bac2therac]

One less egg to fry....

 

[RU848789]

Legend. I hope he is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. RIP

Wow, you'd have him in, but not Taylor Swift? I think he's brilliant and a legend and would have both in, but given your criticism of TS's music "not being rock," I can't imagine how you could defend most of Bacharach's work being rock and roll. The Billboard #1 songs he wrote or co-wrote were easy listening, at best: "This Guy's in Love with You" (1968), "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" (1969), "(They Long to Be) Close to You" (1970), "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)" (1981), and "That's What Friends Are For" (1986).

I include that kind of music under the rock and roll umbrella, but you appear to only selectively. There's no doubt both BB and TS have been incredibly successful in popular music and there's no doubt that TS "rocks" more than BB, so I simply don't understand your logic here. He's on the short list of artists not in the RRHOF who should be, along with Dionne Warwick (his muse for many of his hits; see the link below - as an aside, you'll be happy to see Pat Benatar listed in that article as someone who should be in).

I "get" the criticism some have over the RRHOF being way too inclusive and that maybe it ought to be called the Popular Music HOF, but given we've already gone down the inclusive path, excluding BB and Dionne Warwick, for example, seems incongruous to me. And it would be beyond ludicrous to not have TS be a first ballot inductee in 2031.

https://jeremyhelligar.medium.com/the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-unlucky-13-a35c876b4ea2

 

[bac2therac]

Wow, you'd have him in, but not Taylor Swift? I think he's brilliant and a legend and would have both in, but given your criticism of TS's music "not being rock," I can't imagine how you could defend most of Bacharach's work being rock and roll. The Billboard #1 songs he wrote or co-wrote were easy listening, at best: "This Guy's in Love with You" (1968), "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" (1969), "(They Long to Be) Close to You" (1970), "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)" (1981), and "That's What Friends Are For" (1986).

I include that kind of music under the rock and roll umbrella, but you appear to only selectively. There's no doubt both BB and TS have been incredibly successful in popular music and there's no doubt that TS "rocks" more than BB, so I simply don't understand your logic here. He's on the short list of artists not in the RRHOF who should be, along with Dionne Warwick (his muse for many of his hits; see the link below - as an aside, you'll be happy to see Pat Benatar listed in that article as someone who should be in).

I "get" the criticism some have over the RRHOF being way too inclusive and that maybe it ought to be called the Popular Music HOF, but given we've already gone down the inclusive path, excluding BB and Dionne Warwick, for example, seems incongruous to me. And it would be beyond ludicrous to not have TS be a first ballot inductee in 2031.

https://jeremyhelligar.medium.com/the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-unlucky-13-a35c876b4ea2

Absolutely in over Taylor Swift

 

[bac2therac]

Pat Benetar is in already

 

[RU848789]

Absolutely in over Taylor Swift

So, BB "rocks" more than TS? C'mon. If you think someone needs to "rock" to be in the RRHOF, you can't support BB being in.

 

[RU848789]

Pat Benetar is in already

Must've missed that last year, lol. Good to finally see.

 

[bac2therac]

So, BB "rocks" more than TS? C'mon. If you think someone needs to "rock" to be in the RRHOF, you can't support BB being in.

take your Swiftie worship to Tiktok

 

[RU848789]

take your Swiftie worship to Tiktok

When you can't defend the indefensible, resort to lame attacks...

Edit: let's leave TS out of it completely: defend categorizing Bacharach's music as rock and roll.

 

[ashokan]

More important than Burt himself is the question:Will the world ever see the level of creativity as exhibited by those born in the era from 1920 to say 1970?Societal changes strongly suggest otherwise.

The Renaissance is often taught as "the rediscovery" of classical art.
But the art was never hidden - people just lost the ability/desire to appreciate it.
Fair to say there is currently a tremendous appetite for coarse crap - which is indeed ascendant.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

We owe a huge debt to the creators and performers of the world.How plain and boring LIFE would be without them.

a debt? I think not. They were/are well paid in the USA.

 

[RU848789]

a debt? I think not. They were/are well paid in the USA.

Pretty sure he's talking about a debt of gratitude for making life much more interesting and entertaining and I agree. And while the top tier performers are generally well paid, most struggle to make a good living in the music industry, as they often have crappy managers, who have bands sign ****** contracts and many bands only have 1 or 2 albums that sell well and don't make that much on them - and some blow that money. It's kind of like athletes, although the shelf life for artists can be longer (but often isn't).

 

[beaced_rivals]

Pretty sure he's talking about a debt of gratitude for making life much more interesting and entertaining and I agree. And while the top tier performers are generally well paid, most struggle to make a good living in the music industry, as they often have crappy managers, who have bands sign ****** contracts and many bands only have 1 or 2 albums that sell well and don't make that much on them - and some blow that money. It's kind of like athletes, although the shelf life for artists can be longer (but often isn't).

++++++++++and +

 

[Kbee3]

The Renaissance is often taught as "the rediscovery" of classical art.
But the art was never hidden - people just lost the ability/desire to appreciate it.
Fair to say there is currently a tremendous appetite for coarse crap - which is indeed ascendant.

Coarse Crap was actually the name of my first band.
Unfortunately not so ascendant.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Pretty sure he's talking about a debt of gratitude for making life much more interesting and entertaining and I agree. And while the top tier performers are generally well paid, most struggle to make a good living in the music industry, as they often have crappy managers, who have bands sign ****** contracts and many bands only have 1 or 2 albums that sell well and don't make that much on them - and some blow that money. It's kind of like athletes, although the shelf life for artists can be longer (but often isn't).

well they get gratitude as well. no debt. they owe the debt to a society that is free (as do we all) and mostly functions where they can focus on art and not feeding themselves.

I suppose we do owe a debt to the people that help unknown artists become known... like Van Gogh's brother and John Kennedy Toole's mother (who got his novel published after he killed himself).

 

[ashokan]

Coarse Crap was actually the name of my first band.
Unfortunately not so ascendant.

Its not a bad name as regular bands go
I doubt you were in the area of the WAP song or 6ix9ine's - GOOBA
Those make 2 Live Crew look antiquated

 

[RU_DIO]

I'm shocked he died. He was only 94 and was dancing on the promenade during rhe wedding last week.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Absolutely in over Taylor Swift

His TS fetish is very strange for such an old guy.

 

[RU848789]

His TS fetish is very strange for such an old guy.

Fetish, lol. She's not even in my top 25 favorite artists, but arguing with people who don't think she's a talented singer-songwriter-producer in many genres (including rock and roll) and don't think she's R&RHOF worthy is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Kbee3]

Wow, you'd have him in, but not Taylor Swift? I think he's brilliant and a legend and would have both in, but given your criticism of TS's music "not being rock," I can't imagine how you could defend most of Bacharach's work being rock and roll. The Billboard #1 songs he wrote or co-wrote were easy listening, at best: "This Guy's in Love with You" (1968), "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" (1969), "(They Long to Be) Close to You" (1970), "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)" (1981), and "That's What Friends Are For" (1986).

I include that kind of music under the rock and roll umbrella,

That's ridiculous. You know that's not rock and roll.
At least you should.

 

[CollegeSenior]

BB, Taylor Swift and The Carpenters can all go into the R&R HOF together

 

[Kbee3]

BB, Taylor Swift and The Carpenters can all go into the R&R HOF together

Don't forget Tony Bennett.

 

[MADHAT1]

Don't forget Tony Bennett.

If Nat "King "Cole is in, why not Tony

 

[Scarlet1984]

well they get gratitude as well. no debt. they owe the debt to a society that is free (as do we all) and mostly functions where they can focus on art and not feeding themselves.

I suppose we do owe a debt to the people that help unknown artists become known... like Van Gogh's brother and John Kennedy Toole's mother (who got his novel published after he killed himself).

You don’t seem to be a very grateful person.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

You don’t seem to be a very grateful person

if you say so. I said they already get proper gratitude as per their talents.. there is no debt there. sometimes they get too much "gratitude" leading to a cult of personality