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[Gamecock Jacque]

The Trump regime has done just the opposite. How is picking a fight with Canada over tariffs making America great?

How has Canada been fair with their tarrifs? Your use of the words "picking a fight" says it all.

 

[Lurker123]

Other than Constitutional Amendments, the Feds do need to stay out and not interfere with elections.

The feds already have a law restricting participation in federal elections. They cannot "stay out" of elections if they are already in.

Most of the people screaming for the feds to "stay out" now dont even know that.

 

[DannyTree1]

How has Canada been fair with their tarrifs? Your use of the words "picking a fight" says it all.

I realize this won't matter to you - but- and I saw this posted today by a Conservative - (in bold)

A big reason for the trade imbalance is we were buying oil at below market rates from Canada.

We had a sweet heart deal. Take oil imports out of it and we actually have a trade surplus. This thing with Canada is moronic and too many people are falling into line with Trump's misunderstanding of the trade issue with Canada.

Also, economist Stephen Moore- who was an advisor to Trump in his first term- said he thought this was the wrong move and not helpful.

I also read Steve Forbes went on Fox Business and blasted the tariffs.

So, it will be interesting.

 

[Forkcock]

Back to the OP.

Have any of you seen any of the bodycam videos where a cop pulls a person over that pulls out the "Sovereign Citizen" defense? It never works. Those fools are idiots.

 

[Lurker123]

I realize this won't matter to you - but- and I saw this posted today by a Conservative - (in bold)

A big reason for the trade imbalance is we were buying oil at below market rates from Canada.

We had a sweet heart deal. Take oil imports out of it and we actually have a trade surplus. This thing with Canada is moronic and too many people are falling into line with Trump's misunderstanding of the trade issue with Canada.

Also, economist Stephen Moore- who was an advisor to Trump in his first term- said he thought this was the wrong move and not helpful.

I also read Steve Forbes went on Fox Business and blasted the tariffs.

So, it will be interesting.

Would it matter to you if we posted quotes of people supporting it? No?

You could have just answered his question. But we both know you can't.

 

[Lurker123]

Back to the OP.

Have any of you seen any of the bodycam videos where a cop pulls a person over that pulls out the "Sovereign Citizen" defense? It never works. Those fools are idiots.

I have seen those. It always seems to go the same way.

Which makes me wonder why people try to pull that move?

I know, im going to turn a speeding ticket into a full blown arrest! That'll show those cops!

 

[bayrooster]

Back to the OP.

Have any of you seen any of the bodycam videos where a cop pulls a person over that pulls out the "Sovereign Citizen" defense? It never works. Those fools are idiots.

You can't claim to be a sovereign within someone else's country. Also, you and what army?

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I have seen those. It always seems to go the same way.

Which makes me wonder why people try to pull that move?

I know, im going to turn a speeding ticket into a full blown arrest! That'll show those cops!

I've seen those as well. And wonder what happened to cracking skulls with billy clubs like when I was young.

 

[bayrooster]

I've seen those as well. And wonder what happened to cracking skulls with billy clubs like when I was young.

"You're looking at the State, the State of Bobbyville...The United States of Me."
("Horrible Bosses" reference)

 

[atl-cock]

How has Canada been fair with their tarrifs? Your use of the words "picking a fight" says it all.

Exactly - Trump is picking a fight.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Exactly - Trump is picking a fight.

Wrong, he's no longer allowing our neighbors and "trading partners" to take advantage of us. Should have been done long ago.

 

[Lurker123]

Wrong, he's no longer allowing our neighbors and "trading partners" to take advantage of us. Should have been done long ago.

I think atl-cock knows this. He was just playing dumb to be funny. Imo

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Exactly - Trump is picking a fight.

Is this Cobie?

 

[Lurker123]

Is this Cobie?

Thats hitting below the belt.

 

[Lurker123]

The feds already have a law restricting participation in federal elections. They cannot "stay out" of elections if they are already in.

Most of the people screaming for the feds to "stay out" now dont even know that.

It's interesting to me how the "feds out of elections" crowd never seems to have an answer for this. Each time its brought up.

 

[HWGcock]

So many of today's so-called judges are incompetent and have no clue what in the hell they're doing. They were nothing but crooked lawyers to begin with. It makes you wonder how they were appointed judges in the first place.

Incompetent or paid off by the Soros family.

 

[atl-cock]

I think atl-cock knows this. He was just playing dumb to be funny. Imo

Canada is our biggest and best trading partner.

Trump loves to play toy soldier behind the lines. The Republican party needs to jettison Trump and his thugs.

Too many people assume anti-Trump means pro-Democrat. Not necessarily so.

 

[Lurker123]

Canada is our biggest and best trading partner.

Trump loves to play toy soldier behind the lines. The Republican party needs to jettison Trump and his thugs.

Too many people assume anti-Trump means pro-Democrat. Not necessarily so.

Thank you for agreeing.

 

[bayrooster]

Canada is our biggest and best trading partner.

Trump loves to play toy soldier behind the lines. The Republican party needs to jettison Trump and his thugs.

Too many people assume anti-Trump means pro-Democrat. Not necessarily so.

Without Canada Trader Joes wouldn't have any microwaveable entrees to sell.

 

[atl-cock]

Without Canada Trader Joes wouldn't have any microwaveable entrees to sell.

From what I have seen, about ⅓ of the products you'll find in the bakery section in your average Walmart come from Canada.

 

[DannyTree1]

From what I have seen, about ⅓ of the products you'll find in the bakery section in your average Walmart come from Canada.

Yep. True.

if you buy soap, most of it is made in Canada or comes from Canadian products- including raw materials in clothes detergents. Paper products, many different types of product wrapping including food wrapping material comes from canada too. It's just an overall upward push on prices for basic, everyday staples.

Both sides are accusing the other of backing away at the last minute. Our side has been very short on details though.

The Canadian trade negotiator stated that the US side introduced a last-minute requirement that the US has to approve any other trade deals Canada reaches with other countries, which of course was an obvious deal killer. No country is going to agree to that. The United States certainly wouldn't. I tend to believe that report given Trump has said, quite angrily many times, that Canada is making trade deals with other countries. Well, of course they are. We make trade deals with other countries too.

my sense is Trump wanted to pick a fight and made sure it turned into a fight to rally his base for the mid-terms. That's why the super quick decision to rename the lake. He knows most of his supporters aren't going to get into the weeds of a trade deal. He also knows that his supporters won't even care if it hurts their pocketbooks because they support him above everything. But he also knows his supporters will eat up a ludicrous fight about the naming of a lake.

The bad part about this for American consumers in the long run is Canada has already said that the long term partnership in trade with the United States is changed and won't be the same. They've already started looking elsewhere. The problem is, as the Canadian PM said, the American side has become an unreliable partner that they can't trust, given during the first Trump administration they reached what was supposed to be a long term trade deal that Trump has already killed.

They've learned better than most that Trump can't be trusted on such matters and will change his mind at the drop of a hat, based on the last online influencer or talk show host that he talked to.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Yep. True.

if you buy soap, most of it is made in Canada or comes from Canadian products- including raw materials in clothes detergents. Paper products, many different types of product wrapping including food wrapping material comes from canada too. It's just an overall upward push on prices for basic, everyday staples.

Both sides are accusing the other of backing away at the last minute. Our side has been very short on details though.

The Canadian trade negotiator stated that the US side introduced a last-minute requirement that the US has to approve any other trade deals Canada reaches with other countries, which of course was an obvious deal killer. No country is going to agree to that. The United States certainly wouldn't. I tend to believe that report given Trump has said, quite angrily many times, that Canada is making trade deals with other countries. Well, of course they are. We make trade deals with other countries too.

my sense is Trump wanted to pick a fight and made sure it turned into a fight to rally his base for the mid-terms. That's why the super quick decision to rename the lake. He knows most of his supporters aren't going to get into the weeds of a trade deal. He also knows that his supporters won't even care if it hurts their pocketbooks because they support him above everything. But he also knows his supporters will eat up a ludicrous fight about the naming of a lake.

The bad part about this for American consumers in the long run is Canada has already said that the long term partnership in trade with the United States is changed and won't be the same. They've already started looking elsewhere. The problem is, as the Canadian PM said, the American side has become an unreliable partner that they can't trust, given during the first Trump administration they reached what was supposed to be a long term trade deal that Trump has already killed.

 

[DannyTree1]

You might like to consider a Libertarian magazine's stance on it. Courtesy of Reason Magazine

"As the Trump administration escalated its trade war with Canada last week, the White House's official Twitter account shared a photo of a bald eagle tackling a Canadian goose.

The intended message was not exactly a subtle one.

But the post did illustrate how the administration views America's economic relationship with Canada, and how President Donald Trump thinks about international trade more broadly: as a win-or-lose struggle in which America must bully its trading partners and fight its allies, lest they keep "ripping us off."

That logic completely unravels if you think about it for more than a minute."

American consumers and businesses are being taken advantage of by Canadians who…are offering to sell us aluminum, oil, and wood while buying our farm goods, machinery, and ethanol? Americans and Canadians trade hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of goods every year in voluntary, mutually beneficial transactions.

But Trump doesn't want to think about it for more than a minute. He wants a fight for the sake of a fight, and the details don't matter.

For one thing: In that fight between the bald eagle and the goose, the goose won.

We've had a years-long lesson in how tariffs can increase prices for consumers, but why worry about that? Didn't you see the photo of the eagle and the goose? Didn't you hear that Trump renamed Lake Ontario?

"All it takes is a good pen and some intelligence," Trump said in a video recorded from the Oval Office as he announced the new "Lake America."

Well, it requires half of those things.

More at Trump’s trade war with Canada is a fight with no winner

 

[Lurker123]

But the post did illustrate how the administration views America's economic relationship with Canada, and how President Donald Trump thinks about international trade more broadly: as a win-or-lose struggle in which America must bully its trading partners and fight its allies, lest they keep "ripping us off."[/B][/I]

That logic completely unravels if you think about it for more than a minute."

American consumers and businesses are being taken advantage of by Canadians who…are offering to sell us aluminum, oil, and wood while buying our farm goods, machinery, and ethanol? Americans and Canadians trade hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of goods every year in voluntary, mutually beneficial transactions.

But Trump doesn't want to think about it for more than a minute. He wants a fight for the sake of a fight, and the details don't matter.

This reasoning doesn't actually address if America is or isn't being "ripped off" with unequal trades.

So the fact that it doesnt actually address the main complaint tells me exactly why Trannytree thinks it's a good idea to post it.

 

[bayrooster]

 

[atl-cock]

Yep. True.

if you buy soap, most of it is made in Canada or comes from Canadian products- including raw materials in clothes detergents. Paper products, many different types of product wrapping including food wrapping material comes from canada too. It's just an overall upward push on prices for basic, everyday staples.

Both sides are accusing the other of backing away at the last minute. Our side has been very short on details though.

The Canadian trade negotiator stated that the US side introduced a last-minute requirement that the US has to approve any other trade deals Canada reaches with other countries, which of course was an obvious deal killer. No country is going to agree to that. The United States certainly wouldn't. I tend to believe that report given Trump has said, quite angrily many times, that Canada is making trade deals with other countries. Well, of course they are. We make trade deals with other countries too.

my sense is Trump wanted to pick a fight and made sure it turned into a fight to rally his base for the mid-terms. That's why the super quick decision to rename the lake. He knows most of his supporters aren't going to get into the weeds of a trade deal. He also knows that his supporters won't even care if it hurts their pocketbooks because they support him above everything. But he also knows his supporters will eat up a ludicrous fight about the naming of a lake.

The bad part about this for American consumers in the long run is Canada has already said that the long term partnership in trade with the United States is changed and won't be the same. They've already started looking elsewhere. The problem is, as the Canadian PM said, the American side has become an unreliable partner that they can't trust, given during the first Trump administration they reached what was supposed to be a long term trade deal that Trump has already killed.

They've learned better than most that Trump can't be trusted on such matters and will change his mind at the drop of a hat, based on the last online influencer or talk show host that he talked to.

One of the reasons why the 13 colonies sought independence from Britain is that the Crown insisted that the colonies trade exclusively with them.

 

[atl-cock]

This reasoning doesn't actually address if America is or isn't being "ripped off" with unequal trades.

So the fact that it doesnt actually address the main complaint tells me exactly why Trannytree thinks it's a good idea to post it.

Okay. Show us how Canada is "ripping us off."

 

[DannyTree1]

One of the reasons why the 13 colonies sought independence from Britain is that the Crown insisted that the colonies trade exclusively with them.

True. Such a requirement that Canada clear their trade deals with our government first is a poison pill designed to doom any deal. No sovereign company- and certainly not even an ally of ours would agree to such a thing.

 

[Lurker123]

True. Such a requirement that Canada clear their trade deals with our government first is a poison pill designed to doom any deal. No sovereign company- and certainly not even an ally of ours would agree to such a thing.

If its actually true, then yes, it was a ploy to kill the deal.

You'll understand that you don't qualify as a reliable source.

 

[DannyTree1]

Okay. Show us how Canada is "ripping us off."

The Reason magazine article explains Trump's illogical approach quite well.

Even a Conservative economic commentator like Steve Forbes have called the Canada tariff fight wrong-headed and a self inflicted wound

"Trade should make goods more affordable and economies more prosperous. Current tariffs are doing the opposite, raising costs for American consumers." - Steve Forbes

""A trade war like this is bad for everyone. It's effectively a giant tax being levied on a variety of goods, and it gives domestic producers leeway to raise prices."- David Whiston- Auto Industry Analyst at Morningstar

"Americans purchase a lot of those goods from Canada, and those goods will now be more expensive for Americans to buy," he wrote, adding that the plan would worsen "the government-created cost of living crisis because this is more likely to hurt poor and middle income Americans."- Peter Schiff, Chief Economist at Euro Pacific Asset Management

 

[Lurker123]

The Reason magazine article explains Trump's illogical approach quite well.

Even a Conservative economic commentator like Steve Forbes have called the Canada tariff fight wrong-headed and a self inflicted wound

"Trade should make goods more affordable and economies more prosperous. Current tariffs are doing the opposite, raising costs for American consumers." - Steve Forbes

""A trade war like this is bad for everyone. It's effectively a giant tax being levied on a variety of goods, and it gives domestic producers leeway to raise prices."- David Whiston- Auto Industry Analyst at Morningstar

"Americans purchase a lot of those goods from Canada, and those goods will now be more expensive for Americans to buy," he wrote, adding that the plan would worsen "the government-created cost of living crisis because this is more likely to hurt poor and middle income Americans."- Peter Schiff, Chief Economist at Euro Pacific Asset Management

This article, like most of the drivel you spout simply ignores the notion that the trade war, the tariifs, etc are meant to be temporary in order to bring about the long term changes we want. This treats them like permanent increases.

Color me shocked that the idea goes over your head.