I've been oogling them for awhile now. For someone who doesn't want to go through the trouble of building, the Extar EP9 is a pretty nice, ready to go option. Gotten pretty good reviews so far too. It or a 9mm AR build is definitely on my list.
OT: Best personal defense weapon under 1k
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I've been oogling them for awhile now. For someone who doesn't want to go through the trouble of building, the Extar EP9 is a pretty nice, ready to go option. Gotten pretty good reviews so far too. It or a 9mm AR build is definitely on my list.
nice. i have a couple lowers I need to do something with so might be a good chance to do a 9mm pistol and a 300 BO
Their handguns get mocked pretty relentlessly in the gun community, but their carbines are definitely pretty well respected especially for the price. Their biggest drawback is they are a bit of a bear to disassemble for cleaning.
Something I forgot to mention in my earlier posts was the Ruger PC Carbine that just came out in the last couple years. Takes Glock or Ruger SR series mags and has a more traditional stock if the tactical style isn't an option. Also takes down super easy for stowing, not quite as simple/quick as the Sub 2000 but easy enough for most everybody.
This thing is cheap, but is a fun gun. YOu can't beat it to hell and it keeps on ticking. I've got one and it's a great one to let others shoot if you are out in a group.
I currently use a Civil War musket. With the bayonet it it close to 6 feet long so that can be a problem and of course with kids in the house I do not keep the ammo, powder and rod anywhere close to the musket (better safe than sorry, right?).
I did a practice run the other day, just to get an idea how long it would take me to be ready in case of a break in (911? Yeah, nice try, I am not using some socialist government handout to protect me).
So, I tried to create a simulation that would be accurate. I laid down in bed and had a neighbor throw a brick through my window (wanted this to be real), I quickly popped to my feet and tucked my morning-wood into my waistband and off I went.
I grabbed the musket from under the bed and went to get the ammo...I did stab wife in the process, still not used to the bayonet. She is okay.
Then it was off to the get miniball (I only have one, unless you count the two in my sac) and it was go time.
I was able to get it all loaded and fire ready in just under 4 minutes (I did drop most of the powder on the floor though).
Did I feel safer? Not really.
I did a practice run the other day, just to get an idea how long it would take me to be ready in case of a break in (911? Yeah, nice try, I am not using some socialist government handout to protect me).
So, I tried to create a simulation that would be accurate. I laid down in bed and had a neighbor throw a brick through my window (wanted this to be real), I quickly popped to my feet and tucked my morning-wood into my waistband and off I went.
I grabbed the musket from under the bed and went to get the ammo...I did stab wife in the process, still not used to the bayonet. She is okay.
Then it was off to the get miniball (I only have one, unless you count the two in my sac) and it was go time.
I was able to get it all loaded and fire ready in just under 4 minutes (I did drop most of the powder on the floor though).
Did I feel safer? Not really.
Still can’t believe benelli isn’t mentioned? The supernova is a smoking hot 12g bad *** mother**cker actually.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ben...d=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=Ae444mvwhlnVpM:
https://www.benelliusa.com/supernova-tactical-pump-shotgun
https://www.google.com/search?q=ben...d=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=Ae444mvwhlnVpM:
https://www.benelliusa.com/supernova-tactical-pump-shotgun
I always thought a sign on the front door that says "Angry woman with guns lives here," would be a good start. But what do I know.
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Cz scorpion pistol with a shockwave brace. You're welcome
My wife is a mental health therapist. We need a gun.
As a correctional officer who went to school to be a mental health counselor... word.
Don't look now, but they're everywhere.
Best data say you don't wanna be burglarized, get good door locks and use them, and likewise with an alarm system. Guns have a lovely resale/pawn/black market value so what people fail to consider is your sign bragging about your guns is a big advertisement to the burglar that you've got valuable items inside. What they're gonna do is watch you and learn when you're not home. Then they'll hit the house and take what they want, including your guns.
Guy in my neighborhood has a sign that makes me grin every time I go by, something like, "My German shepherd can make it from the back door to the fence in 3.2 seconds, can you?"
If you never watched this show when it was on, it was fascinating to see how burglars think and work, and how easy it is for them to scout a house, hit it fast, and be gone.
Guy in my neighborhood has a sign that makes me grin every time I go by, something like, "My German shepherd can make it from the back door to the fence in 3.2 seconds, can you?"
If you never watched this show when it was on, it was fascinating to see how burglars think and work, and how easy it is for them to scout a house, hit it fast, and be gone.
I have a CZ Scorpion EVO Carbine, love it, functions flawlessly!
You aren't wrong re: the good door and alarm system. Making your house a fortress, so to speak, goes a long way in discouraging burglaries. So does keeping a low profile regarding valuables. Your point about signs or other things about firearms is absolutely correct as well. I have nothing on my house or car indicating that I own firearms, much less that I am an enthusiast. For me it is akin to why I would prefer concealed carry even if open carry became legal here in IL, no need to make myself a target. A great deal of firearms enthusiasts share that opinion/realization too, so please don't assume that owning a gun means people advertise it constantly, most don't.
You seem to not be a fan of firearms, which is totally your prerogative. I own firearms now because I enjoy them, but I initially got one for the same reason I got a fire extinguisher: as part of a system of measures to prevent something I don't want to happen. I have smoke detectors, our electrical was inspected when we bought the house, I avoid having flammable stuff where it shouldn't be, etc., but for all my preventative measures, a fire is still possible. No matter how secure I make my house, a break in is still possible (especially given my line of work) so much like owning a fire extinguisher, my firearm(s) is/are a fail safe if everything else doesn't work.
Lots of great replies..
I have a large German Shepherd, so that ticks that box.
I was looking at the Ruger 9mm carbine, but have heard of some reports of it having misfires/malfunctions.
The KelTec also looks to be a great option and it folds, which I like better than the Ruger's barrel disassembly twist thing. It's also much lighter.
I was also looking at the CZ Scorpion.. heard nothing but great reviews on those, but def more pricey.
I've had a 1911 before as well as an AK, and while those are great weapons, I'm def just looking for 1 to sort of do it all.
The AR would normally be a consideration, but I've never had full trust in those, unless you get something like the H&K piston actuated ones, as they just blow exhaust gasses back into the chamber and dirty everything up. Price wise, they get expensive as well.
I figure the 9mm in a carbine is good enough for most things, and the ammo would be readily available.
I have this idea, (right or wrong) that we have all sort of been groomed to how society will be if there is some sort of civil breakdown.. We had how many years of the Walking Dead series and then games like PUBG and Fortnight, it's sort of like the recipe for scavenging in small groups type thing.
I've also just considered a simple .22LR or maybe a mini 14..
I'm not really considering a shotgun, and while great at short range and for birds, it also has a finality about it, that there is no recourse from say someone got ahold of it or there was an accident.
Thanks again for all the great ideas!
I have a large German Shepherd, so that ticks that box.
I was looking at the Ruger 9mm carbine, but have heard of some reports of it having misfires/malfunctions.
The KelTec also looks to be a great option and it folds, which I like better than the Ruger's barrel disassembly twist thing. It's also much lighter.
I was also looking at the CZ Scorpion.. heard nothing but great reviews on those, but def more pricey.
I've had a 1911 before as well as an AK, and while those are great weapons, I'm def just looking for 1 to sort of do it all.
The AR would normally be a consideration, but I've never had full trust in those, unless you get something like the H&K piston actuated ones, as they just blow exhaust gasses back into the chamber and dirty everything up. Price wise, they get expensive as well.
I figure the 9mm in a carbine is good enough for most things, and the ammo would be readily available.
I have this idea, (right or wrong) that we have all sort of been groomed to how society will be if there is some sort of civil breakdown.. We had how many years of the Walking Dead series and then games like PUBG and Fortnight, it's sort of like the recipe for scavenging in small groups type thing.
I've also just considered a simple .22LR or maybe a mini 14..
I'm not really considering a shotgun, and while great at short range and for birds, it also has a finality about it, that there is no recourse from say someone got ahold of it or there was an accident.
Thanks again for all the great ideas!
If you do end up going with the Sub 2000 and want to mount a red dot to it and still be able to fold it, look into one of these.
https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-g2sub-t2.htm
https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-g2sub-t2.htm
Or actually, this seems to be getting better reviews, most negative reviews are just complaints about the price.
https://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-optic-mount.aspx
https://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-optic-mount.aspx
Get the 27 instead and you can convert it in to either a 9mm or 357 sig with a barrel and mag swap. It’s like buying 3 guns in one.
Mossberg 500 is also badass. I have a black aces kit on mine.
Why not just go all out and find one of those semi auto AA-12 shotgun.
You won’t get one for under 1k though..
The best taser money can buy and some good rope ….. disable him, tie him, then proceed to stomp the dogshit out of the bastard. Physical punishment is always sweeter.
There is downside to this strategy: not effective against multiple attackers. So keep a pistol in the waistband for insurance.
There is downside to this strategy: not effective against multiple attackers. So keep a pistol in the waistband for insurance.
Basically the same frame pistol as the g26 but in .40 rather than 9mm. The internals are more stury which is why it can handle both 9mm and 357 sig. You can buy lone wolf defender conversion barrels for them, get some 9mm and 357 sig mags for a Glock and you get 3 choices in one pistol. I have the g23 over the 19 for that reason as well. That and I enjoy shooting the .40, they’re nice and snappy..
Lots of great replies..
I have a large German Shepherd, so that ticks that box.
I was looking at the Ruger 9mm carbine, but have heard of some reports of it having misfires/malfunctions.
The KelTec also looks to be a great option and it folds, which I like better than the Ruger's barrel disassembly twist thing. It's also much lighter.
I was also looking at the CZ Scorpion.. heard nothing but great reviews on those, but def more pricey.
I've had a 1911 before as well as an AK, and while those are great weapons, I'm def just looking for 1 to sort of do it all.
The AR would normally be a consideration, but I've never had full trust in those, unless you get something like the H&K piston actuated ones, as they just blow exhaust gasses back into the chamber and dirty everything up. Price wise, they get expensive as well.
I figure the 9mm in a carbine is good enough for most things, and the ammo would be readily available.
I have this idea, (right or wrong) that we have all sort of been groomed to how society will be if there is some sort of civil breakdown.. We had how many years of the Walking Dead series and then games like PUBG and Fortnight, it's sort of like the recipe for scavenging in small groups type thing.
I've also just considered a simple .22LR or maybe a mini 14..
I'm not really considering a shotgun, and while great at short range and for birds, it also has a finality about it, that there is no recourse from say someone got ahold of it or there was an accident.
Thanks again for all the great ideas!
I have the keltec sub2000 9mm. By far the most fun firearm I have to shoot. Plus is shares clips with my Glock. It absolutely will not cycle though if it's not brass
Yeah, I wouldn’t fire any slugs or fmj’s in a setting where they weren’t necessary. Shot and hp’s only..
Two dogs, a old double barrel with the hammers on the side with 00 buckshot
I have an AR. But I don't want it out all the time and it's a hassle to get it out. Not to mention, I have neighbors. I really don't want to shoot through the walls and hit someone else.
We're not talking SHTF here. Just home defense. I have a VP9 that does that duty. I have a carry license so it also goes with me on the road when I'm out of town.
I need to get a shotgun.though.
We're not talking SHTF here. Just home defense. I have a VP9 that does that duty. I have a carry license so it also goes with me on the road when I'm out of town.
I need to get a shotgun.though.
A double barrel with hammers? WinkingI have an AR. But I don't want it out all the time and it's a hassle to get it out. Not to mention, I have neighbors. I really don't want to shoot through the walls and hit someone else.
We're not talking SHTF here. Just home defense. I have a VP9 that does that duty. I have a carry license so it also goes with me on the road when I'm out of town.
I need to get a shotgun.though.
It may be counterintuitive, but 5.56/.223 actually is a good choice if you want to avoid over penetration. The reason is mainly due to the light projectile and high speed. When it hits construction material, it tends to yaw and lose energy quickly in FMJ form, and additionally tends to break apart in frangible bullets and some hp/sp/ballistic tip loads. At worst it penetrates similarly to 9mm and even buckshot, and often less actually. You can Google the myriad of tests done on the topic.
Now, that doesn't change to other reasons you mentioned, but penetration isn't really a reason in and of itself to rule it out.
I don't personally have a plan to use mine for defense as I have it set up for coyote (i.e. it wears a decent power scope) and .223 inside is crazy loud compared to 9mm or a shotgun due to being well over the supersonic line. I have a CZ P07 bedside in a biometric safe and a Mossberg 500 with 00 buck in the safe in the closet. If I need more than that, I'm probably screwed anyway though I do keep loaded mags for my AR and my CZ75 in the safe as well, just in case.
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