OT: Ben Johnson fired

bac2therac

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He wasn't getting it done plain and simple but its one of the bottom jobs in the league so not sure where they go

Only payed 1.9 million lowest in league. Not retaining players...good job by AD being proactive rather than going through another year or 2 of mediocrity or worse

Minnesota went 56-71 under Johnson, including 22-57 in conference play.
 

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He wasn't getting it done plain and simple but its one of the bottom jobs in the league so not sure where they go

Only payed 1.9 million lowest in league. Not retaining players...good job by AD being proactive rather than going through another year or 2 of mediocrity or worse

Minnesota went 56-71 under Johnson, including 22-57 in conference play.
Where do we rank in terms of attractive big ten jobs? Below or above Minnesota?
 

Mr. Magoo1

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He came in with a rep as a master recruiter and failed. Good move by Minnesota.
 
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The North Carolina State head coach was just fired after leading the team to the final four last season.At Rutgers patience and mediocrity are the consistent norms.
What standard are you comparing too? Mediocrity for who? 15-17 would be good enough for 9th best record over last 30 years. Rutgers has had 8 winnings seasons in 30 years. Pikiell is responsible for a 4 of them.

Pikiell is a miracle worker. stop complaining, open your wallet and help get some players.
 

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Our location alone puts it above Minnesota.

Of course then there’s the RAC > Barn
Facilities are better here
Talent pool is better here
Fan base is better here

Honestly by pretty much every metric we’re better than Minnesota.

Maybe they have an NIL edge? I’m not familiar with their situation, except I’d argue a HC who knows how to strike deals would dominate NIL in NY/NJ.

People in this fan base get too caught up in the last 30+ years. Rutgers as a whole has improved thanks to the B1G. This is not the same place that joined the league in 2014
 

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Pikiell is a miracle worker. stop complaining, open your wallet and help get some players.
The fact that there’s people still taking this angle is crazy to me.

Although after one of our games someone called into the post game and said Harper and Ace should stay another year because it’s better than the G League. I guess nothing should surprise me at this point.
 

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The North Carolina State head coach was just fired after leading the team to the final four last season.At Rutgers patience and mediocrity are the consistent norms.
“Charles Barkley Jr” played tough and carried them last year, not the coach.
 

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“Charles Barkley Jr” played tough and carried them last year, not the coach.
Kevin Keatts had 5 20 win seasons in 8 years at NC State

Made 3 ncaa tournaments in the 7 years it was held and probably wouldve made a 4th in the covid season

NC State is a little in over their skis with how good they think they should be and will probably find that out with their next hire

He will coach somewhere else next year or the year after and be successful... Ben Johnson hasn't given anyone a reason to think he will succeed at he high major level
 

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Why?? Didn't he also lose alot the last 5 years.
Appears ASU wants Hurley for next year but no extension. So not fired but no faith. Smart on Athletic Department’s end but wonder if gives Hurley incentive to leave if Minny comes calling.
 

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Bottom 5 with Minnesota Northwestern Penn State Washington

We might be slightly ahead of those
I don’t agree with this.

As long as we are willing to pay a market salary for the HC and his assistants, if the job were open, lots of respected coaches would be very interested. Just for lifestyle reasons, many candidates would prefer the proximity to NYC, especially if they have any NBA ties, and the New England to Philly corridor is the most talent rich environment in the country. Our history is not reflective of our future, when we played in bad conferences and weren’t willing to pay up for coaches.
 
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I don’t agree with this.

As long as we are willing to pay a market salary for the HC and his assistants, if the job were open, lots of respected coaches would be very interested. Just for lifestyle reasons, many candidates would prefer the proximity to NYC, especially if they have any NBA ties, and the New England to Philly corridor is the most talent rich environment in the country. Our history is not reflective of our future, when we played in bad conferences and weren’t willing to pay up for coaches.
which programs not on this list would you say we are above

i would maybe argue nebraska additionally but the rest of the b10 has better tradition, resources, etc etc
 

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He came in with a rep as a master recruiter and failed. Good move by Minnesota.
You can’t recruit without money. They don’t have enough. He lost his middle of the road center from last year to Texas A &M for $700,000. There’s your story (and probably what we need to pay Lathan).
 
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You can’t recruit without money. They don’t have enough. He lost his middle of the road center from last year to Texas A &M for $700,000. There’s your story (and probably what we need to pay Lathan).
He had a 5 star commit a couple years ago, but then he backed out of his NLI and went to Louisville last minute. Honestly I felt bad for Johnson there. They have no resources to be successful. Felt like he overachieved this year if anything
 
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Mr. Magoo1

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You can’t recruit without money. They don’t have enough. He lost his middle of the road center from last year to Texas A &M for $700,000. There’s your story (and probably what we need to pay Lathan).
No point in paying Lathan that if we have can only have the same supporting cast and a grossly overpaid coach. Last place is last place with or without Lathan.
 
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He had a 5 star commit a couple years ago, but then he backed out of his NLI and went to Louisville last minute. Honestly I felt bad for Johnson there. They have no resources to be successful. Felt like he overachieved this year if anything
That was the first NIL year and they had promised that guy $50k. Then the market went nuts - although not as crazy as it is now - and he went to U of L. Don’t know what he got from U of L. I have a connection to this program and Johnson is really well liked.
 

bac2therac

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Why?? Didn't he also lose alot the last 5 years.
because he is a name that has had some success

Minnesota also ran Little Ricky out to hire Ben and Ricky is winning at New Mexico and is being talked up for big job openings
 

bac2therac

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I don’t agree with this.

As long as we are willing to pay a market salary for the HC and his assistants, if the job were open, lots of respected coaches would be very interested. Just for lifestyle reasons, many candidates would prefer the proximity to NYC, especially if they have any NBA ties, and the New England to Philly corridor is the most talent rich environment in the country. Our history is not reflective of our future, when we played in bad conferences and weren’t willing to pay up for coaches.
given our history and resources we are bottom 5..as i said slightly above those others and Nebraska also in range but they have more money

also we are a very very small fanbase with very very very limited basketball success

proximity means zero...get out of your silo, if it meant anything why has RU sucked for 40 years
 

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Ironic thing is I thought Minnesota actually overachieved this year.

However AD expects championship caliber play and not constant rebuilding.

Only made $2m a year with 2 years left on contract.
Ben Johnson never made a post season. Let’s not insinuate it’s anything like Pike.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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There are now 2 kinds of Master Recruiters

1) Pre Nil

2) Post Nil
This is true. I think his 1st year was pre-NIL for him. Similarly, Pike was decent, especially with under-the-radar recruits Pre-NIL. Outside of the draft picks, he’s been a disaster post-NIL. I know lots of people say we have no NIL, but then we can’t be paying him 3.5 million…thanks Hobbs. Going to need to bite the bullet soon, since this now looks like his first year post Jordan again…only this time, we are at an even bigger disadvantage because of NIL.
 

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I think it’s obvious what Pike’s plan is — freshmen (notwithstanding Ace and Dylan) are cheaper than experienced portal players. So bring in guys, develop them, and try and beat the system. There’s one major flaw to this approach: if the freshmen don’t stay you are effectively wasting your money.
 

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given our history and resources we are bottom 5..as i said slightly above those others and Nebraska also in range but they have more money

also we are a very very small fanbase with very very very limited basketball success

proximity means zero...get out of your silo, if it meant anything why has RU sucked for 40 years
Because in the past Rutgers was unwilling and unable to pay for talent. There is zero reason that UConn should be where it is and we are where we are, other than mismanagement and not paying up for good coaches. Top coaches don’t care about the past, especially since we are now in the BIG 10, and have the experience and ego to believe they will succeed here.
 

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given our history and resources we are bottom 5..as i said slightly above those others and Nebraska also in range but they have more money

also we are a very very small fanbase with very very very limited basketball success

proximity means zero...get out of your silo, if it meant anything why has RU sucked for 40 years
Maybe because of cheap fans like yourself
 
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