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WhiteBus

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“And yet they are, looking to a post-pandemic future when gamblers will be looking for the latest thing. They're investing hundreds of millions of dollars with those days in mind.”

Hundreds of millions of dollars in investments. Nearly every casino owner/operator is making investments. And millions of dollars more in investments are being made in non-casino properties.
They have to make big investments just to keep them from falling down. It took about a year of no maintenance at Trump Plaza until **** started to fall from the building. They are all in need of repair.
 

newell138

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Abbot districts have nice buildings and facilities. Lots of money to spend.
I don’t believe AC is an Abbott district school. The HS is actually not as bad as you would assume. It serves everyone in Margate and Ventnor as well as AC, I have heard their honors program is actually very good by people who have sent their kids there.
 
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Plum Street

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I don’t believe AC is an Abbott district school. The HS is actually not as bad as you would assume. It serves everyone in Margate and Ventnor as well as AC, I have heard their honors program is actually very good by people who have sent their kids there.
You’re right .
 

RUschool

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They have to make big investments just to keep them from falling down. It took about a year of no maintenance at Trump Plaza until **** started to fall from the building. They are all in need of repair.
They demolished Trump Plaza earlier. All the casinos are profitable since there are fewer casinos.
 

BigWill

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Abbott money may give the infrastructure a boost, but EDUCATION of the kiddies not so much.
 

WhiteBus

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They demolished Trump Plaza earlier. All the casinos are profitable since there are fewer casinos.
Trump Plaza was just demolished a little over 2 months ago.
Yes they are profitable but the maintenance on shore front buildings is enormous and many have ignored it for years and more so during the pandemic.
 

dconifer0

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I don’t believe AC is an Abbott district school. The HS is actually not as bad as you would assume. It serves everyone in Margate and Ventnor as well as AC, I have heard their honors program is actually very good by people who have sent their kids there.



The first year our shop was opened, we hired employees who wandered in off the boardwalk and filled out an application. It wasn't good.

After that we recruited ACHS students, and it was GREAT. They were awesome kids. Honest, reliable, polite, smart/capable, and very friendly. All were minorities and/or children of immigrants. Most were very dedicated to their education. The high school is lacking in a few things (one of our employees had to take an advanced chemistry class online because they didn't have a teacher for that), but they do offer a lot of educational opportunity. What I like best about the school is that they push qualified students hard and prepare them to continue their education past high school.

I was pretty surprised at the quality of the high school. It's nowhere near elite by any stretch, and It can be rough around the edges, for sure, but for interested students it is a valuable asset...
 
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newell138

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The first year our shop was opened, we hired employees who wandered in off the boardwalk and filled out an application. It wasn't good.

After that we recruited ACHS students, and it was GREAT. They were awesome kids. Honest, reliable, polite, smart/capable, and very friendly. All were minorities and/or children of immigrants. Most were very dedicated to their education. The high school is lacking in a few things (one of our kids had to an advanced chemistry class online because they didn't have a teacher for that), but they do offer a lot of educational opportunity. What I like best about the school is that they push qualified students hard and prepare them to continue their education past high school.

I was pretty surprised at the quality of the high school. It's nowhere near elite by any stretch, and It can be rough around the edges, for sure, but for interested students it is a valuable asset...

This is exactly what I heard.
 
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I don’t believe AC is an Abbott district school. The HS is actually not as bad as you would assume. It serves everyone in Margate and Ventnor as well as AC, I have heard their honors program is actually very good by people who have sent their kids there.

How many kids from these towns actually attend ACHS?

Margate, Longport, Brigitine?
 

e5fdny

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I was pretty surprised at the quality of the high school. It's nowhere near elite by any stretch, and It can be rough around the edges, for sure, but for interested students it is a valuable asset...

This is exactly what I heard.
I can only speak of the physical plant, but from what I saw it was very impressive. Not at all what I was expecting.
 

daveo13

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How many kids from these towns actually attend ACHS?

Margate, Longport, Brigitine?
I know for sure kids from Brigantine go there unless their parents want to pay tuition to Holy Spirit HS (Absecon) or get lucky to get the few spots for out of towners to attend Ocean City HS.
 

wheezer

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I stayed at the hard rock about a month ago for a couple of nights to see a couple of shows

I had not been to AC for maybe 20 years before this
It did not seem very unsafe if you stayed between the hotels, at least this was my impression
It is a shame that AC did not seem to benefit much from the casinos
You leave the boardwalk area and still very depressed
 

tico brown

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I stayed at the hard rock about a month ago for a couple of nights to see a couple of shows

I had not been to AC for maybe 20 years before this
It did not seem very unsafe if you stayed between the hotels, at least this was my impression
It is a shame that AC did not seem to benefit much from the casinos
You leave the boardwalk area and still very depressed
Only ones who wasn’t depressed about Atlantic City are crooked politicians and developers
 
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I stayed at the hard rock about a month ago for a couple of nights to see a couple of shows

I had not been to AC for maybe 20 years before this
It did not seem very unsafe if you stayed between the hotels, at least this was my impression
It is a shame that AC did not seem to benefit much from the casinos
You leave the boardwalk area and still very depressed
Gambling was legalized in NJ in 1978. We had a virtual monopoly on gambling on the east coast for roughly 30 years. The vision was always that AC would become a "family" destination through attractions outside of just gambling. NJ could have made the neccessary investments and course corrections but never did. Now every state has gambling plus online gambling and AC will slowly sink into the pit it was before gambling came to town. AC really could have been the crown jewel of NJ but the state can never get its act together long enough to take advantage of opportunity. Sad.
 

tico brown

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Gambling was legalized in NJ in 1978. We had a virtual monopoly on gambling on the east coast for roughly 30 years. The vision was always that AC would become a "family" destination through attractions outside of just gambling. NJ could have made the neccessary investments and course corrections but never did. Now every state has gambling plus online gambling and AC will slowly sink into the pit it was before gambling came to town. AC really could have been the crown jewel of NJ but the state can never get its act together long enough to take advantage of opportunity. Sad.
Thank all of the Red Hat, Blue Shirt, and Hard Hat Developers for all the wasted opportunities down there.
 

dconifer0

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I stayed at the hard rock about a month ago for a couple of nights to see a couple of shows

I had not been to AC for maybe 20 years before this
It did not seem very unsafe if you stayed between the hotels, at least this was my impression
It is a shame that AC did not seem to benefit much from the casinos
You leave the boardwalk area and still very depressed
it is in bad shape. casinos dont seem to have helped anything at all. But just for accuracy, south of the monument where I am is quite livable and beach is nice...

sorry for my poor typing. i am recovering from injury (no, I was not mugged LOL)
 

tico brown

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it is in bad shape. casinos dont seem to have helped anything at all. But just for accuracy, south of the monument where I am is quite livable and beach is nice...

sorry for my poor typing. i am recovering from injury (no, I was not mugged LOL)
Which monument?
 

BossNJ

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^^^^^ 100% true.
Luckily we’re now rid of THE crooked politician AND developer.

Sad that we were stupid enough to put him into office in the first place.

Ironically you unwittingly called out your messiah.

OOPS
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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I don’t believe AC is an Abbott district school. The HS is actually not as bad as you would assume. It serves everyone in Margate and Ventnor as well as AC, I have heard their honors program is actually very good by people who have sent their kids there.

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The State Aid and Enrollment Context

The Abbott districts received 54% of NJ's K-12 state aid in 2019-20 ($4,731,527,807 in state aid for 2019-20, against $8,711,933,675 for all districts)

This is effectively the same percentage as in 2007-08, which was the last year of the Abbott era, when the Abbotts got 55% of the total ($4,025,044,458 out of $7,304,967,207)

23.5% of New Jersey's K-12 public school students are in Abbott districts too (including Abbott charter students). This is also constant over the last decade.

HOWEVER, the number of students in Abbott traditional district schools has fallen, due to charterization, from over 300,000 students to only 256,205. This fall in district-run enrollment is relevant because if New Jersey passed another round of Abbott construction bonding, the Abbott charter schools would not receive any of that money, so New Jersey would be pouring more money into a shrinking pool of students

Students in Abbott district schools are now only 19% of New Jersey's enrollment, and, as will we see, not all Abbott districts are low-wealth.

Abbott Tax Bases

The Abbott districts remain, on average, very poor in tax base, with 15 of the 31 Abbotts being in New Jersey's bottom 100 in Local Fair Share Per student.


DistrictLocal Fair Share Per StudentState Rank in LFS/Student
HOBOKEN*$82,86229 (#1 of K-12 districts)
JERSEY CITY$15,452 (See 2020-21 Update)274
NEPTUNE TWP$14,734294
State Median$14,689
State Weighted Avg$13,947
LONG BRANCH CITY$10,772437
ASBURY PARK$9,621467
HARRISON$9,394479
GARFIELD CITY$6,983535
BURLINGTON CITY$6,898538
WEST NEW YORK$6,821540
VINELAND$6,451549
PEMBERTON TWP$5,544562
MILLVILLE CITY$5,474563
KEANSBURG$5,365564
EAST ORANGE$4,880568
UNION CITY$4,753570
IRVINGTON$4,639571
GLOUCESTER CITY$4,533575
PERTH AMBOY$4,443576
PHILLIPSBURG$4,439577
CITY OF ORANGE$4,435578
NEW BRUNSWICK$4,344580
PLAINFIELD CITY$4,325581
ELIZABETH$4,287583
PASSAIC CITY$3,912585
NEWARK$3,783586
PATERSON$3,639587
PLEASANTVILLE$3,171588
TRENTON$2,827589
SALEM CITY$2,405591
CAMDEN CITY$1,936592
BRIDGETON$1,691593

However, The Abbotts have no monopoly on insufficient tax bases. Woodlynne's Local Fair Share is $2526 per student. North Hanover, Prospect Park, Paulsboro, Egg Harbor City, Lindenwold, Atlantic City, Hi Nella have between $4,000 and $5,000 per pupil. Commercial Township, Folsom, Pine Hill, Lakehurst, Riverside, Penns Grove-Carney's Point are between $5,000-$6,000 per student, Freehold Boro, the district that has experienced New Jersey's worst crowding, has only $6,185 per student, which is less than Vineland.

The low-Local Fair Share non-Abbotts are actually worse off than they look, because they are disproportionately rural districts in South Jersey, and SFRA's Local Fair Share formula is extremely unfair to rural and South Jersey districts where people have high ratios of income to Equalized Valuation. (See "Is SFRA Fair to South Jersey and Rural New Jersey?"
 

tico brown

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OMG!!!!!! SHOUT OUT TO THE MOST CORRUPTED TOWN IN NJ, WOODLYNNE, NJ!!!!!!

For a town that no bigger than Rutgers Stadium and Hale Center (SERIOUSLY, LOOK IT UP), does that town thats the size of 4 blocks by 13 blocks need SIX Coucilpeople when JERSEY CITY has NINE??? It has a Board of Ed for ONE SCHOOL!!!!!!

I encourage you to look up all the shenanigans that goes on in that Town Hall. The citizens in that town should just be absorbed into Collingswood and call it the day.
 

newell138

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Luckily we’re now rid of THE crooked politician AND developer.

Sad that we were stupid enough to put him into office in the first place.

Ironically you unwittingly called out your messiah.

OOPS

OH yea, we are so lucky lol. The country is a mess and Biden has killed a lot of people with the virus management.
 
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