OT: Amazon HQ2 - 20 Finalists

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ha ha

Just saying that the middle aged person who is experienced but has worked for older legacy companies may not have the opportunity as the up and comer millennial who only has a few years of experience but has worked with newer technologies.

There are a lot of NJ people who worked for the home office of retailers like Toys R us / Vitamin Shoppe, the various financial companies, AT & T, Verizon, PSE &G, UPS, etc... that may be out of work for 1 reason or another that may not even get an interview with Amazon vs a younger person who worked with Jet.com, LinkedIn, Goldman Sachs, or other comanies that have been forward looking.
 

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ha ha

Just saying that the middle aged person who is experienced but has worked for older legacy companies may not have the opportunity as the up and comer millennial who only has a few years of experience but has worked with newer technologies.

There are a lot of NJ people who worked for the home office of retailers like Toys R us / Vitamin Shoppe, the various financial companies, AT & T, Verizon, PSE &G, UPS, etc... that may be out of work for 1 reason or another that may not even get an interview with Amazon vs a younger person who worked with Jet.com, LinkedIn, Goldman Sachs, or other comanies that have been forward looking.
Oh, I agree with everything you said. And there are plenty of Eddie Griswold's out there who think they SHOULD be in a $100,000/year high level position. That said, one benefit to hiring an older person is that in general, they are more likely to stay in a job a long time and not job hop or move because they are getting married and moving across the country. On the other hand, if they have to be fired, then there are the legal issues.
 

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Amazing what brings out the Intertube ToughGuys! Be proud of your lifestyle choice loving shitholes. Relax Francis. [poop][poop][poop]
 

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I don't understand why many posters think that airport and port facilities are an important factor here. This is not a fulfillment center. They are not planning to ship products from this location. This is a hi-tech office center. They are interested in access to tech workers, plus they seem to have some community development motives. Port facilities really do not factor into this at all.
This has Boston written all over it.
 
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The Port of NY/NJ has the largest and busiest East Coast Port. Philly does not make the top 10.
https://www.icontainers.com/us/2017/05/16/top-10-us-ports/

As far as UPS air hubs:
Louisville, KY (Main Global Air Hub); Philadelphia, PA; Dallas, TX; Ontario, CA; Rockford, IL; Columbia, SC

USPS has Network Distribution facilities in Jersey City and Philadelphia

I don't think container shipments and locations of UPS or USPS hubs play a factor into the selection. They are looking for a HQ location, not a distribution center location.
 

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also consider this question:
- what is Amazon today?
- what will Amazon become?

We think of them as an online retailing platform that has monetized the warehousing and distribution of shipments.

At the same time they created AWS as a cloud platform and are starting to become a TV and Movie studio.

The future:
- r and d into drones and robots
- additional content investments for TV shows, movies, and possibly cord cutting cable service. They have a self publishing platform which is doing well.
- devices like kindles, phones, and tablets
- will Alexa become an OS similar to Windows, Android, and IOS?
- Will Amazon create a retail tech platform similar to what companies like Oracle and NCR have done. maybe Amazon even takes over as an outsource provider for tech operations from traditional retailers or is the tech dept for upstart small retailers trying to compete with the targets and Kohls of the world.
- build out of their retail bookstores as showcases for many of their products.
- build out Amazon payments as a PayPal type of service for other small retailers?

for what is mentioned above would Newark vs Atlanta vs Boston really matter?
 

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for what is mentioned above would Newark vs Atlanta vs Boston really matter?

Yes. The primary reason that Amazon is looking for HQ2, rather than expanding in Seattle, is they don't believe they would be able to find enough high-quality tech talent to live in Seattle to fuel their expected growth. So Newark vs Atlanta vs Boston makes a difference if their is a different forecast of number of high-quality employees available to work in each of those cities.

I think that is why it is so telling that 6 of the 20 finalist locations are DC-Metro, NY-Metro and Phila. A high-quality employee who lives in the DC area looking to work at Amazon would probably not rule out the job based on a location in Washington, Maryland, or Northern VA. Likewise, someone in the NY metro would consider the job in NYC or Newark, and depending of if they lived in central NJ, even a job in Philly. Relocating to Atlanta adds a whole level of complexity, that would eliminate a good portion of the potential talent pool. (Of course, Atlanta would have it's own talent pool, but if that pool is much smaller than the Washington or NY metro talent pools, that puts Atlanta at a disadvantage.)

Two complicating factors are (1) What other companies are competing for the same talent pool. That is why you don't see San Francisco on the list, as there is already too much competition for tech employees. And (2) for really top talent will employees be willing to relocate to the HQ2 location. I think cost of living is less of a factor here, as employees who relocate are more likely to be highly compensated. I think the more salient factor is the appeal of living in the area. This, of course, varies by individual, but some areas are more likely to appeal to a larger segment of Amazon employees who would be candidates for relocation.
 

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The irish website that has odds has NYC and Philly at 14-1 and Newark at 16-1. Not sure if that is just matching bets or based on some kind of information.

At 16-1 Newark is probably a good bet over Philly and NYC
 

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I don't understand why many posters think that airport and port facilities are an important factor here. This is not a fulfillment center. They are not planning to ship products from this location. This is a hi-tech office center. They are interested in access to tech workers, plus they seem to have some community development motives. Port facilities really do not factor into this at all.
This has Boston written all over it.

I think the airport is mentioned as more of a plus for moving Amazon’s people, consultants, whomever, than for moving product.
 
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I think the airport is mentioned as more of a plus for moving Amazon’s people, consultants, whomever, than for moving product.

They probably will use the airport for:
- contractors coming from all over the country or India
- various vendors meeting with Amazon
- various employees that are from satellite locations that have meetings at the HQ (ie. Fulfillment manager from a suburb of Indianapolis that has meetings at HQ. The Indy airport is not a hub so flying to EWR is easier than Seattle).
- Whole Foods execs from Austin that need to go to a corporate meeting. Austin is a regional airport so would require a stop over to many cities like Seattle where it would be direct to EWR.
 

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with 3 finalists in the DC area and with Bezos owned WaPO there and with Bezos buying a house there.. I'd be shocked if "northern Virginia" (or DC or MD) doesn't get this one.
 
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That makes a lot of sense. Annoying that Ohio State wins again. They can easily turn Columbus into Seattle 2.0. It makes no sense on the list bc it doesn’t meet all the original requirements of amazon but it’s there for a reason.

Amazon just built 3 data centers in Columbus and Facebook is building some too.
 

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I think people have traveled to Atlanta and been to nice parts. But when they compare Newark to Atlanta, they neglect that Newark is 24 sq miles and Atlanta is 133 sq miles. Atlanta is bigger than all of Essex County.
ATL is mostly a suburban office market. Downtown is getting better but it’s mostly start ups and small businesses. Coca-Cola did move from Wildwood to downtown. All the walkablities stuff don’t apply to those submarkets
 
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ATL is mostly a suburban office market. Downtown is getting better but it’s mostly start ups and small businesses. Coca-Cola did move from Wildwood to downtown. All the walkablities stuff don’t apply to those submarkets
It is my understanding that Atlanta's proposal identified land near where the Georgia Dome was. South of Midtown, to the west of Downtown.
 

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I can't believe so many people have DC/ No.Va rated so high. Traffic is horrendous and the real estate is expensive. To go to NYC means paying NYC Corporate Income Tax on top of Fed and State taxes. I don't think so.

Newark has some things working for it. Airport and Port of Newark close by. Mass transit into NYC, particularly PATH. One unanswered question is whether Phil Murphey is going to declare war on "evil" corporations We should have an idea before the final decision is made.

To me the frontrunners are Columbus and Raleigh-Durham. Real estate 30% cheaper than NJ and DC. Lot of college grads coming out every year from quality schools like UNC, OSU and Duke. Wish RU-New Brunswick and Princeton were right by Newark. Smaller airports the are one notable drawback.
 

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Seattle was a high quality city prior to Amazon; Microsoft was the Amazon of the late 80's/early 90's.

True, but Microsoft HQ campus is in Redmond, not in Seattle. Boeing was a stalwart in Seattle with its HQ located there for most of the 20th century; shifted to Chicago in early 2000s.
 
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I bet that most posters here never visited the cities they think it’s better than Newark. For those that have, i’m sure you just saw the nice parts.

At least those cities actually have nice parts. Newark has the Pru Center for 41 devils games a year, that’s it.
 

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Newark is a dump. Is it less of a dump than Trenton and Camden and some others, yeah. Is Ras a better mayor than photo-op Booker, yeah. So while things may be improving a bit, it's still a dump and has a long, long way to go. I hope Amazon selects Newark, it would be a game changer! Good luck.

How's about I dump you?
 

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Amazing what brings out the Intertube ToughGuys! Be proud of your lifestyle choice loving shitholes. Relax Francis. [poop][poop][poop]

I'm a tough guy in person. I also just love being far away from less evolved people like yourself. If there is a tax premium on that, I'll gladly keep paying.
 

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Again, I just love how the little Gremlins quote their idol all the time. In unrelated conversations. Kind of gross how many insects are crawling around me at RU games (shutters)
 

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I think it goes to NOVA / DC area and its influence.
yeah, three of the 20 finalists are there. So is Bezos' house and his Washington Post. That area is also 4th in tech talent; behind the Bay area, Seattle, NYC.

That being said I can see Amazon going to Newark and saying "hey give us enough tax breaks and will build a big shipping hub in Newark"
 
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I was watching Colony last night on Netflix and i was thinking that in the future Amazon will rule all of us. Alexa in every home is just the start. Would make a good sci fi movie I think
 

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I can't believe so many people have DC/ No.Va rated so high. Traffic is horrendous and the real estate is expensive. To go to NYC means paying NYC Corporate Income Tax on top of Fed and State taxes. I don't think so.

Newark has some things working for it. Airport and Port of Newark close by. Mass transit into NYC, particularly PATH. One unanswered question is whether Phil Murphey is going to declare war on "evil" corporations We should have an idea before the final decision is made.

To me the frontrunners are Columbus and Raleigh-Durham. Real estate 30% cheaper than NJ and DC. Lot of college grads coming out every year from quality schools like UNC, OSU and Duke. Wish RU-New Brunswick and Princeton were right by Newark. Smaller airports the are one notable drawback.
If they can't find enough talent in Seattle, you think Columbus or Raleigh are the logical next step?
 
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If they can't find enough talent in Seattle, you think Columbus or Raleigh are the logical next step?

Raleigh - UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, UNC Central - That's actually a bigger raw talent pool than Seattle. Add to it the Research Triangle.

Columbus- The largest city in Ohio and a flagship state university.
 

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RTP also has IBM, red hat, NetApp, SAS and quite a few other technology companies
 

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Raleigh - UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, UNC Central - That's actually a bigger raw talent pool than Seattle. Add to it the Research Triangle.

Columbus- The largest city in Ohio and a flagship state university.

Not sure Amazon is relying on recent college grads for the talent pool. They probably want those with 5 years experience that may have worked for a top consulting firm (ie. Deloitte), top digital company (ie. Google or Facebook), or leading organization (ie. Goldman).

They may want some 22-24 year olds but thinking they will be recruiting mostly 28-40 year olds who have a resume of career growth.
 
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Yes. The primary reason that Amazon is looking for HQ2, rather than expanding in Seattle, is they don't believe they would be able to find enough high-quality tech talent to live in Seattle to fuel their expected growth. So Newark vs Atlanta vs Boston makes a difference if their is a different forecast of number of high-quality employees available to work in each of those cities.

I think that is why it is so telling that 6 of the 20 finalist locations are DC-Metro, NY-Metro and Phila. A high-quality employee who lives in the DC area looking to work at Amazon would probably not rule out the job based on a location in Washington, Maryland, or Northern VA. Likewise, someone in the NY metro would consider the job in NYC or Newark, and depending of if they lived in central NJ, even a job in Philly. Relocating to Atlanta adds a whole level of complexity, that would eliminate a good portion of the potential talent pool. (Of course, Atlanta would have it's own talent pool, but if that pool is much smaller than the Washington or NY metro talent pools, that puts Atlanta at a disadvantage.)

Two complicating factors are (1) What other companies are competing for the same talent pool. That is why you don't see San Francisco on the list, as there is already too much competition for tech employees. And (2) for really top talent will employees be willing to relocate to the HQ2 location. I think cost of living is less of a factor here, as employees who relocate are more likely to be highly compensated. I think the more salient factor is the appeal of living in the area. This, of course, varies by individual, but some areas are more likely to appeal to a larger segment of Amazon employees who would be candidates for relocation.
I moved to Seattle 30 years ago and moved to several locations around the US including Wash DC. I didn’t accept an assignment in Detroit or would not have accepted a job in Atlanta.
 

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NYC is the big leagues for business.
Don't underestimate Newark- you get NYC via transit without congestion.
 
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NYC is the big leagues for business.
Don't underestimate Newark- you get NYC via transit without congestion.

NYC is also the big league for taxes, including a Commercial Rent Tax if located in Manhattan below 96th St. I can't see that happening
 

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NYC is also the big league for taxes, including a Commercial Rent Tax if located in Manhattan below 96th St. I can't see that happening
He’s basically saying NYC is the center of the universe and Newark is within view. Think Newark has a real chance for reasons previously mentioned. Think of Brooklyn in 70s thru early 90s. If you stayed the course and owned a Brownstone there now you basically hit the lottery. NJ deserves a great city or two. JC is well on its way and Newark would get catapulted with a Amazon HQ award.

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