OT: Adoption

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jb1020

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We adopted from China

After some infertility issues we opted out of IVF and went the international adoption route. It was something we had always thought about and sort of felt called to do. My wife is a rockstar and handled the paperwork side of things in near record time according to our agency. I think it took us about 12 months from the very start of the process to get matched. After that it was another 4 months to actually go get her.

Ours wait time was shorter in comparison because we did not want an infant. From what they told us if you want an infant is can be a 2-3 year wait. we were open to an older kid. Ended up getting matched with a 4 year old girl.

We've had her nearly 2 years now and its truly a miracle of a process. I personally was very afraid I wouldn't bond with her the way I have with my other, "natural" kids. I could not have been more wrong. The bond happened almost instantly.

There are certainly challenges and its not easy, but its worth it if you're called to do so.

DM me if you want to chat about it. Good luck to whatever decision you make.
 

dawgstudent

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The average of age of our posters has increased by approximately 20 years. We've grown up and out a bit.
 

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beyond the kids being cute... there is never a time when the latest edit on your signature isn't beautiful...
 

MSUDAWGFAN

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My wife and I are strongly considering adoption; we currently have no children. I'm sure a few sixpackers have adopted; what was your experience? What were some things you didn't expect or consider on the front-end?

My sister and her husband adopted from Hungary back in 2017. As part of the process, she had to go to Hungary for a 6 week period. It just so happens that during that time, we were playing Alabama in football and were actually beating them to start the 4th quarter. She got Facebook alerts and used Whatsapp to message me from Hungary when it was about 2 to 4 in the morning there. Then, we all know Rob Skelton covered for Bama like the refs always do. The SEC at its best, I tell ya!

Anyway, I digress.

One of the reasons she adopted internationally was because of something that happened to one of the couples in my old Sunday School class. They have a daughter and had custody of her for a couple of years I would guess. One day when we were taking prayer requests, the wife started crying and told us and said she was scared that the birth mother would decide she wanted to get her back. From what I understand, it isn't quite that simple, but the courts will usually side with the birth parents if it gets that far. Just something to be aware of. My sister will never have that issue because she adopted internationally.

In Hungary, the kids have to be a certain age before they can be adopted. My sister chose Hungary because she had only been married about a year and it had one of the shortest time period requirements for that. When they got back, my brother in law said there was one little boy who was up for adoption that the father came by to see periodically. He said the agency told him to stop because he was ruining the kids chances of getting adopted because the clock kept getting reset for the boy every time he came. So he was getting older and people want to adopt younger kids generally.

When my sister got back that first Christmas, we were not allowed to hold my niece or really even make too much eye contact with her. The very most we were allowed to do was to give her a high 5. That was what the adoption agency suggested to my sister to help my niece realize who her parents were.

But it also comes with hardships. My niece wasn't held for the first 2+ years of her life. She looks at age 6 what most do at age 3 or 4 because she was malnourished. The adoption agency there would only feed them about 1 or 2 minutes each and if they stopped, they moved on to the next kid. My niece would store food in her cheeks so she could eat a little later. But she never had eaten solid food when my sister had gotten her and wouldn't take it very well. So a couple of years ago, they had to get her a feeding tube. She still has to feed her with some sort of liquid, I guess kind of like Ensure plus or something.

Also, because she was never held, she always looks for attention and will act out. And when I say always, I mean ALWAYS. If the phone rings, she expects you not to answer it or even look at it. One time, I was at my parents house and she was taking a nap, so I decided to also. She woke up, came into my room and got on my bed. When I told her I would be down in a little bit, she hit my on the head as hard as she could. She has thrown things at my mom. My daughter that has autism is scared of her and has hidden in her room because she is scared of getting hit by her. After my dad passed away last year, we went up to his happy place in Murphy North Carolina and my niece grabbed her hair and pulled her down.

All that being said, she is getting better, but it takes a world of patience. I went to my parents house this past weekend and my niece didn't hit anybody once. Over time, she will continue to get better with behavior because we spend a lot of time trying to teach what's acceptable and what isn't.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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You're telling me there are no dubmasses in China, India, Japan, etc.???

Plenty in India. I haven't personally been there (i've been to Japan and South Korea), but reports from my military brethren who have spent ample time in India don't paint a good picture of populace.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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Yeah, that's not a thing. Every kid is different and if your motivation for adoption is how smart or driven your child will be, you probably don't need to adopt a child.

And for the record, your statement was contradictory. People from India are Asian too. Guess you're parents should have adopted an Asian girl who better understands geography.**

I know you low T soy boys get your feelings hurt easily and can't accept that everyone is not created equal, but as far as intelligence and drive, you can likely put East Asians up against any other immigrant group and you'll find them the most successful. A buddy of mine of Chinese descent is in a fairly high federal governmental position, he is considered a failure in his family (jokingly....he hopes...) because his siblings are all doctors (not dentists, but real doctors). Check this study out: https://www.human-intelligence.org/race-differences-in-intelligence/. There are many studies that support this.
 
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SpeckTaker

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I actually forgot about the home study. Mine was done by a social worker that worked for the adoption agency. She was nice and genuinely wanted us to succeed, but yes, the questions can be personal. They may ask about the state of your marriage, what are some of the hard times and how you handle conflict with each other. If you've gone through a miscarriage, they may ask some questions about your/your wife's emotional state, how long ago it was, etc. They may ask your wife why you would be a good father and you why she would be a good mother. Why you want to be a parent, why you want to adopt, etc.

Also, in addition to cleaning, go ahead and 'child proof' your home for the initial home study.
Get the plastic electrical outlet plug caps. Get a fire extinguisher and know where it is. If you have a pool, make sure it's gated. If you have a pet, make sure it's vaccinated.
Have a room identified in the house as the nursery or kid's room.

They're not looking for you to be perfect people or have the perfect marriage or the perfect house. They're just making sure you don't have any red flags.

My wife and I were very stressed before the home visit. Just one year prior we were rejected on our first attempt to adopt … a cat🤣. Not kidding. But everything worked out great we adopted our son and just recently added 2 cats.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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Through the years I've handled right at 100 adoptions. 75% were international. It has been a mixed bag as far as outcomes. Probably 10-20% of those foreign kids are lost souls. Addictions, mental issues, three suicides. Interestingly, all three suicides were Scythians (Russian, Ukrainian, Turkmenistan) and occurred when the kids were late teens. Most had severe health issues. My domestic adoptions have turned out much better over the long haul. I attribute the outcome to the fact that the adopting parents secured physical possession within weeks of birth and the child bonded with the adoptive parents. Virtually all of the foreign adoptions involved kids that were toddlers that received almost no nurture having come from warehouse orphanages that let them lay there. I don't handle private work now, so I'm out of the game. Practically speaking, put aside $25,000 for a domestic adoption and $40,000 for international.

This is some great open and honest dialogue. I've heard this from others who have adopted from Russia.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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So from reading that link my first observation is there is a distinct likelihood that you come from a long line Pygmies and Bushmen. And what's wrong with soy? Did you find another one of my empty cartons on the bedside table?
 

DerHntr

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Like the others have said, infertility is a real ***** that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.

One of the things in the thread that is simple but hasn’t been stated fully is you will be asked how wide of a net you want to cast for the child. This sounds easy but some of the questions you and your wife need to discuss before going with an agency or even trying to locate a child through your own network. We ended up finally getting pregnant after years of infertility but had worked with a lawyer already when it happened.

I expected questions about race, ethnicity, domestic, foreign, gender, open or private, etc. Here are a small number of the types of questions I wasn’t prepared for:

Will you adopt a baby from a prostitute?

Will you adopt a baby from a person on drugs? Then he listed the drugs. Crack cocaine? Meth? Etc.

Will you pay for the birth mother’s living expenses? What if she is on drugs, will you still pay for them?

Will you adopt a baby from a person in prison?

He then compiled some of them and said “just to be clear. Would you adopt a baby from a prisoner who is in jail for prostitution that is hooked on meth?” The **** gets real at that point.

(If the child is older) Will you adopt a child that is disabled physically or mentally? What types of disabilities? Then he listed them again like the drugs. What if the child has severe life trauma and needs a lot of therapy?

We thought we were prepared for this until he started asking with such specificity. The more times you say no, the smaller the net you cast but it’s up to you to know what you don’t think you’re capable of handling. No one can judge you for those answers. Some people will think you’re an ******* for not saying yes to everything and others will think you’re crazy to do that. It’s your life.
 
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Dawgg

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So from reading that link my first observation is there is a distinct likelihood that you come from a long line Pygmies and Bushmen. And what's wrong with soy? Did you find another one of my empty cartons on the bedside table?

Really? He reminds me of Calvin Candie explaining phrenology to Django and Schultz. Also, I prefer almond over soy.

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Dawgg

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My wife and I were very stressed before the home visit. Just one year prior we were rejected on our first attempt to adopt … a cat藍. Not kidding. But everything worked out great we adopted our son and just recently added 2 cats.

Ha! Maybe they were operating under the assumption the cat would suck the air out of the baby.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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The R word gets thrown unfairly thrown at people all the time... But I'll be damned. I think in this case its a clear example of the textbook definition:


Definition of racism



1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race


 

Dawgg

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From what I understand, it isn't quite that simple, but the courts will usually side with the birth parents if it gets that far. Just something to be aware of.

This is going to vary from state to state, but in Texas, this isn't really a concern. Once the birth parents sign away their rights, it's irrevocable unless the birth mother can prove somehow she was under duress or a victim of fraud when she signed. The 'under duress' is pretty much negated by the 48 hour wait.

Again, that's going to vary with each state, so do your homework locally.
 

dawglawz

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There are even more studies that say you and that sketch website are completely wrong.
 

PartTimeGenius

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Where the system fails is giving parents TOO MANY opportunities to regain custody. Once custody is regained, they dive back into the same old routine of substance abuse, neglect, etc, only to start the whole "milestone" process over again.

I believe in second chances--but not 3rd, 4th and so on. At some point, it only harms the child further.
 

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I've been turned down for a cat once, too. It was CARA, in Jackson. Their regular public pleas for help feeding their animals have fallen on deaf ears since I realized how ridiculously hard they make it to even get a cat! They literally (check me Literally Police) reached down and took the kitten from my 6yr old daughters hands when they smugly disapproved my application.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Um, which of my Moms are you talking about? The one that rides the Harley or the artist that turned me on to soy?
 

goodknight

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US adoptions can be insanely expensive. Have you considered fostering? Huge need in a lot of geographic areas.
 

o_LandDawg

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This pretty much how ours went, except not quite as harsh. We were asked at every step. The consultant asked us, the home study/social worker asked, the attorney asked, and the agency asked.

To add to what Derhntr said, the birth mother’s choices (drug/alcohol abuse & prostitution) are part of your adopted child’s story. It’s their story to tell if they choose or to keep quiet if they choose. So it’s up to you to keep that to yourself (and your Dr.) until they are mature enough to handle that talk.

Tell them about adoption from an early age. The older they get, the more you fill in their story with the birth mothers background. At some point (much later in life when you believe they are mature enough to handle), you should tell them about the substance abuse or prostitution. At that point, it is up to the child to tell their story to whoever they chose.
 
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IBleedMaroonDawg

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Awesome! My reading comprehension before coffee in the morning is sketchy at best even worse when I sleep late.
 
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IBleedMaroonDawg

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I've been turned down for a cat once, too. It was CARA, in Jackson. Their regular public pleas for help feeding their animals have fallen on deaf ears since I realized how ridiculously hard they make it to even get a cat! They literally (check me Literally Police) reached down and took the kitten from my 6yr old daughters hands when they smugly disapproved my application.

Yeah I don't think I could give them money either. There are other places that help animals you can contribute to.
 
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Had that happen to some friends of ours. They had talked to the mother since she was about 3 or 4 months pregnant and had flown up to meet and talk with her a couple of times. So they get the call that she’s having the baby and fly back up there, get to the hospital and she decides to keep it. The adoption agency they went through told them to wait a day or so in case she changed her mind so sure enough the next day she called and changed her mind so they go back to the hospital and she changed her mind again when they got there. I would have lost it.

They ended up adopting another baby about a year later.
 

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I know you low T soy boys get your feelings hurt easily and can't accept that everyone is not created equal, but as far as intelligence and drive, you can likely put East Asians up against any other immigrant group and you'll find them the most successful. A buddy of mine of Chinese descent is in a fairly high federal governmental position, he is considered a failure in his family (jokingly....he hopes...) because his siblings are all doctors (not dentists, but real doctors). Check this study out: https://www.human-intelligence.org/race-differences-in-intelligence/. There are many studies that support this.

Your use of “soy boy” as an insult and the simultaneous hype you are putting on the geographic region and culture that put soy on the map is quite interesting to say the least.
 

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I've adopted, but it was a different scenario.

I adopted my wife's son after we married. She got pregnant at 19 and the dad left the state when he found out and never once took an opportunity to meet or talk to his son, who is now 14.

My wife actually found out while she was pregnant that this was the 3rd woman this guy got pregnant and left. He's never met any of his children and ended up being charged with sex with a 14 year old when he was 25, so he's now a sex offender. But I digress...

Adopting my son made a world of difference to him, even though he only tells his mom and is much less direct with me. There are certainly some challenges and I can tell he is not super excited about the idea of us having a child in the next year or so. He feels I will have a different relationship with my own child, but I have talked with him about that and how he's my son.

Adoption is a great thing for you and for the child. Like I said, my scenario is different, but I can promise you that you'll never look back. (at least not for more than a moment at a time when they eat all the icing off of a cake!)

It certainly isn't how I expected to have a family, but I wouldn't change it.
 

MSUDC11

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Just wanted to say that I appreciate everybody who has shared their experiences. My wife and I are currently in the middle of fertility issues. We remain faithful and optimistic as much as we can, but it's obviously a very difficult process, as those of you know who have gone through it. Adoption is something that we have talked about whether we are able to have kids naturally or not. As people of faith, for us it will ultimately come down to whether or not the Lord really puts that calling on our hearts. But I frankly don't know a lot about the adoption process (we are in our late 20's and still have a lot to learn about life, admittedly) so the information many of you have provided has been very helpful.