Toggle sidebar

OT: A stats and comparison question

T

TheDude1

Heisman
Apr 15, 2010
8,726
11,199
0
Okay guys, help me out with a disagreement...

Let's say you have two basketball players (not real world).

One played 1600 games.

One played 4000 games.

They played literally the exact same minutes per game in every game, played with the exact same teammates, and played against the exact same level of competition.

Neither one got older or younger or anything; age played no role in their stats.

Can you compare their per game stats in some meaningful way, since they played the same number of minutes and the stats are per game? Or does the fact that the one guy played more games somehow make the stats unable to be compared? If the raw number of games DOES make it impossible to compare them, how does it?

Thanks!
 
Last edited:
D

Dattier

All-American
Sep 1, 2003
9,374
5,634
0
Uhh... wow, holy contrived situation, Batman!

Everything-everything-everything else being equal -- ppg, reb, a, st, bl, etc -- the guy who did it longer wins.

In the real world, where people do age, the guy who does it longer probably deserves a little consideration in his favor statistically. Like if they both averaged 22 ppg through 14 seasons, then the one guy retires and the other guy goes on to play four more seasons averaging 21, 19, 17, & 11 ppg, his overall average drops, but it's not as simple as crowning the other guy the better scorer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DukeDenver
T

TheDude1

Heisman
Apr 15, 2010
8,726
11,199
0
Dattier said:
Uhh... wow, holy contrived situation, Batman!

Everything-everything-everything else being equal -- ppg, reb, a, st, bl, etc -- the guy who did it longer wins.

In the real world, where people do age, the guy who does it longer probably deserves a little consideration in his favor statistically. Like if they both averaged 22 ppg through 14 seasons, then the one guy retires and the other guy goes on to play four more seasons averaging 21, 19, 17, & 11 ppg, his overall average drops, but it's not as simple as crowning the other guy the better scorer.
Click to expand...

Its actually a literal situation, but video game, which is why so many real life factors are being ignored.

And yeah, the idea was that, if you had two guys who played those games, and they were discussing whether or not one player was a willing passer, and they had the same exact assists per game...

A) one person said no, the APG stats do not show you anything, because one person played more games total.

B) one person said yes, the APG stats do show you something, because the sample size is large and the stats are adjusted for games played, not total, so it gives you a rough feel for how often they distribute the ball.
 
D

Dattier

All-American
Sep 1, 2003
9,374
5,634
0
If "PG" stands for "per game," it's comparing like and like. I'm with Team B.
 
T

TheDude1

Heisman
Apr 15, 2010
8,726
11,199
0
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
the guy with 4000 games....to me he has sustained it for a longer period of time
Click to expand...

Boogie, but in terms of raw stats... like, if one guy had 10 rebounds per game and the other guy had ten rebounds per game, all other things considered (same minutes per game, same teammates, same opponents) could you say "Yeah, those guys are roughly the same in terms of rebounding"...? Or does the difference in game make it impossible for the stats to be compared?
 
D

Dattier

All-American
Sep 1, 2003
9,374
5,634
0
TheDude1 said:
Boogie, but in terms of raw stats... like, if one guy had 10 rebounds per game and the other guy had ten rebounds per game, all other things considered (same minutes per game, same teammates, same opponents) could you say "Yeah, those guys are roughly the same in terms of rebounding"...? Or does the difference in game make it impossible for the stats to be compared?
Click to expand...
The 1600 game guy has enough games to warrant the comparison. A 200 game guy averaging 12 reb doesn't.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheDude1
S

skysdad

Heisman
Mar 3, 2006
42,753
22,653
0
We need to see what guru gary -7 says with his stats and stuff. Maybe the player that had 1600 games had 2400 blown games. OFC
 
BOOGIEMAN1914

BOOGIEMAN1914

All-Conference
May 15, 2007
7,718
2,026
113
TheDude1 said:
Boogie, but in terms of raw stats... like, if one guy had 10 rebounds per game and the other guy had ten rebounds per game, all other things considered (same minutes per game, same teammates, same opponents) could you say "Yeah, those guys are roughly the same in terms of rebounding"...? Or does the difference in game make it impossible for the stats to be compared?
Click to expand...


i picked the 4000 game guy simply because he did it over a longer time.....the other guy showed he could do it as well, but for the extra time that the other guy did it, it cant be assumed that the other guy would keep the pace...........i guess you could compare them equally on the 1600 game mark that they both share
 
T

TheDude1

Heisman
Apr 15, 2010
8,726
11,199
0
BOOGIEMAN1914 said:
i picked the 4000 game guy simply because he did it over a longer time.....the other guy showed he could do it as well, but for the extra time that the other guy did it, it cant be assumed that the other guy would keep the pace...........i guess you could compare them equally on the 1600 game mark that they both share
Click to expand...

Sure sure, I get it. I wasn't really asking which you would PICK (yeah, doing it over more time matters in that case)... but can you COMPARE the two in a meaningful way using per game stats. Thanks!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom