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Dawgtruc

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Not wanting to make this political, just seeking honest advice about retirement/401K investments risk/reward/potential loss.

I am 55 and plan to retire early in a few years. Am I correct in thinking the market will take a huge dip now...or possibly fall back into recession-like trends? My retirement funds are currently almost %100 in the "risky" categories. Should it be moved into guaranteed interest (low risk)? The only reason the market would be ok for the next few months is due to the vaccine. That is my thinking anyway. None of the market analysis junkies that I have talked to can give me anything that gives me peace of mind on the situation.
 

dorndawg

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At age 55, moving 20% or more to less risky investments is generally a good idea, regardless of whatever else is going on.

There are more tailwinds than headwinds for the economy in 2021.
 

Mobile Bay

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Not wanting to make this political, just seeking honest advice about retirement/401K investments risk/reward/potential loss.

I am 55 and plan to retire early in a few years. Am I correct in thinking the market will take a huge dip now...or possibly fall back into recession-like trends? My retirement funds are currently almost %100 in the "risky" categories. Should it be moved into guaranteed interest (low risk)? The only reason the market would be ok for the next few months is due to the vaccine. That is my thinking anyway. None of the market analysis junkies that I have talked to can give me anything that gives me peace of mind on the situation.

The money printers down at the Federal Reserve have just been shifted into overdrive. I think the market is in for a roaring next two years.
 

TrueMaroonGrind

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I would get in touch with a real financial advisor. Not one of those salesman, but a true advisor. I’ve been meaning to do the same, just haven’t made the time.

100% high risk with your goals seems unwise, but again a real advisor could help with these type of things.

ETA: If you know any good State guys in the Memphis area who are good financial advisors, let me know.
 
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Captain Ron

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I would get in touch with a real financial advisor. Not one of those salesman, but a true advisor. I’ve been meaning to do the same, just haven’t made the time.

100% high risk with your goals seems unwise, but again a real advisor could help with these type of things.

Exactly. Get a Fee only that agrees to be Fiduciary.

Certainly if you are retiring in a few years, you would probably not want as aggressive portfolio, but unless you are way over what you need over the retirement years, you will also need something besides a savings account to prevent inflation from eating you alive.
 

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One of the more interesting things to watch for will be taxes on corporations. I think it’s a given taxes will be raised but, will stimulus funds balance it out over the next year or so.
 

Dawgbite

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I just retired at 55. I made some good money taking risk but have shifted to a very conservative portfolio. My goal now is to maintain. Diversifying over the entire spectrum of investments is the smart thing to do. If you are retiring well below social security age, you need a financial advisor who will help you, not just stick your money somewhere and forget about you.
 

thatsbaseball

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Real estate. The flight from our rotting cities will continue and accelerate. Those refugees will need a place to live, work and shop.
 

patdog

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Am I correct in thinking the market will take a huge dip now...or possibly fall back into recession-like trends
Literally no one knows the answer to this. If they say they do, they're lying. But at your age, you don't need to be 100% in risky investments. Vanguard's Retirement 2025 fund is 36% US stocks, 24% International stocks, 28% US bonds, 12% International bonds and 1% short-term securities. That's a decent guideline of about where you need to be.
 

Hypnodawg

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Exactly. Get a Fee only that agrees to be Fiduciary.

Certainly if you are retiring in a few years, you would probably not want as aggressive portfolio, but unless you are way over what you need over the retirement years, you will also need something besides a savings account to prevent inflation from eating you alive.

All of the advisors are just guessing. All of my analytics started failing about a 2 years ago. I talked with 3 different advisors in the May-June timeframe last year and not one of them got the market right between then and now. There is a new economy at play in the market and no one has figured it out just yet. The old models are inaccurate to say the least.
 

dorndawg

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All of the advisors are just guessing. All of my analytics started failing about a 2 years ago. I talked with 3 different advisors in the May-June timeframe last year and not one of them got the market right between then and now. There is a new economy at play in the market and no one has figured it out just yet. The old models are inaccurate to say the least.

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.
 

johnson86-1

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Not wanting to make this political, just seeking honest advice about retirement/401K investments risk/reward/potential loss.

I am 55 and plan to retire early in a few years. Am I correct in thinking the market will take a huge dip now...or possibly fall back into recession-like trends? My retirement funds are currently almost %100 in the "risky" categories. Should it be moved into guaranteed interest (low risk)? The only reason the market would be ok for the next few months is due to the vaccine. That is my thinking anyway. None of the market analysis junkies that I have talked to can give me anything that gives me peace of mind on the situation.


If you really want to learn about asset allocation for yourself, earlyretirementnow.com would be a good place to go, specifically here: https://earlyretirementnow.com/2017...e-withdrawal-rates-part-19-equity-glidepaths/ for a start on your question on asset allocation. But after that, look at more of the beginning articles than the later articles as after he covers the basics, he gets into issues that are either less relevant or more nuanced than most people are going to want to get into.

The blog (or at least the early part) really focuses more on safe withdrawal rates (i.e., managing your money so you get to spend the most each year without risking running out of money), and asset allocation is just one of the things he looks at tweaking in order to maximize the safe withdrawal rate. But I assume you're only asking about asset allocation because you want to maximize your safe withdrawal rate. If you have a nest egg compared to your lifestyle that the safe withdrawal rate is basically irrelevant and you just want to focus on maximizing the amount left for heirs, then that website probably won't be as applicable although it still might help in understanding concepts.

But beyond that, as others have said, nobody really knows what is about to happen. If they do, they're probably not giving away that info for free. Biden's policies (or really, the policies of the more extreme leftists that seem to control the party) are definitely going to be bad for the economy, but while policy is important, it's not the only thing that matters in the short term. We could (and have) had continued short term growth while implementing bad policy. Also, as long as we're running trillion dollar deficits, we will either have asset inflation or just general inflation, one of which is "good" for stocks, and one of which at least makes stocks better than "safer" alternatives.

If you don't dislike your job and are healthy, I'd really consider how big of a hurry I'd be in to retire. I know people are always pointing to something as the next big thing to worry about, but with a few exceptions that aren't really big enough to be sheltered from the bad decisions of other countries, basically the whole developed world is running deficits and has politics that would seem to indicate it's going to continue until it can't, and also have demographic challenges as far as reproducing below replacement rate. Working a couple of extra years to have an extra year or two of expenditures in cash or investments seems like not a terrible tradeoff if you are generally satisfied with your job.

ETA: Speaking of, hadn't checked that site in a while and the most recent post in on how much safety you get historically from working one more year.
https://earlyretirementnow.com/2021/01/13/one-more-year-swr-series-part-42/#more-62572
 
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mstateglfr

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Am I correct in thinking the market will take a huge dip now...or possibly fall back into recession-like trends?

A bunch of analysts think itll crash. A bunch of analysts think itll surge. A bunch of analysts think some sectors will fare better than others.
Flip a 3 sided coin and go with the group that the coin lands on.

17 off to anyone that claims they know for sure whatll happen. Trends work well with the benefit of hindsight and defying trends is an extremely common explanation for market behavior.
 

Russ Wheeler

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Real estate. The flight from our rotting cities will continue and accelerate. Those refugees will need a place to live, work and shop.
I agree with you on the theory, but honestly real estate is so high right now that I would not buy anything at the moment. That goes against the conventional wisdom of course, as evidenced by what's going on at the moment. People are still buying stupid stuff at crazy prices in a select few cities like Austin.

I have some friends that want me to buy a tract of hunting land. Of course, it's high right now. They say, "You won't lose money, all you have to do it make the payment" and that's true, but if I want to have that land forever I absolutely WILL lose that money! Because I'm not selling good land if I buy it. That is the level of financial ignorance in this country. The only way you buy that is if you have play money.
 

thatsbaseball

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LOL The way we are printing money right now our money IS essentially "play money" isn't it ?
 

Russ Wheeler

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LOL The way we are printing money right now our money IS essentially "play money" isn't it ?
That's not how I define it. To me play money is money you can afford to lose. Free money is not the same as play money. My stimulus money has 100% gone to paying off my house. If you aren't debt-free, you don't have play money.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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The money printers down at the Federal Reserve have just been shifted into overdrive. I think the market is in for a roaring next two years.

^^^this - at least for the next 12 months.

The first question you need to answer is what are your plans for your 401k? I'm about your same age and will retire in three years. I don't need my 401k money to live on, so I'm staying aggressive. Too much potential gain to miss out on, if there is a turn down, I'll just ride it out. When I actually retire, I may take a slightly more conservative approach, but that remains to be seen.
 
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I would get in touch with a real financial advisor. Not one of those salesman, but a true advisor. I’ve been meaning to do the same, just haven’t made the time.

100% high risk with your goals seems unwise, but again a real advisor could help with these type of things.

ETA: If you know any good State guys in the Memphis area who are good financial advisors, let me know.

Tell them you are putting 1% of your portfolio in bitcoin and post a video of their response. Thx.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Get a good financial adviser and listen to them. They won't respond emotionally. Financial advisers have most client interaction when markets are turbulent and they are talking people out of doing whatever their emotions, based on the current climate, are telling them. People tend to nearly always feel the need to make portfolio moves that are reactive and not planned. An adviser can help you avoid that mess.

That being said, if the 401k is your only retirement vehicle and represents most/all of your potential liquidity, then having some percentage in lower risk assets is worth considering. A financial adviser can help you with the whole financial picture. Also, if you are investing in mutual funds without researching the fund manager, and how closely they manage to the fund prospectus, you may not really be allocated the way you think you are. Fund names/goals don't always actually track with underlying investments.
 

horshack.sixpack

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If by models, you mean short term predictions, I'm always skeptical of those and wouldn't work with an adviser who told me that they had any idea about the market in those terms. Flip side, structure portfolios that are based on fundamental long investing have not let me down yet.
 

hdogg

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I agree w/ this.
I know a lot of people like managing their money themselves, but I'm just not one of them. I don't like the fact that I pay .9% for someone else to do it, but I've proven that I'm not able to keep my emotions out of it.
I have a Schwab guy here in Austin that I like, that has access to a few different managed funds, as well as more personalized wealth-management options.
Having said all that, hindsight is perfect and I would have made more over the last 3 years if I was 100% SP500 for Vanguard total-stock... so that sucks, but I'm not getting any younger and wouldn't take that same risk at 55.
I'm 47 right now and do plan to retire early - so my current dilemma is to stick w/ what I'm doing (which has been fine) or go total stock (which makes me nervous).

Talking to a few different advisors wouldn't hurt anything. I'm happy to share my Austin Schwab contact if anyone is interested, PM me.
 

horshack.sixpack

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I figure if I've got at least a decade left in the workforce, I can stand market perturbations. When my window closes below 10, I'll take a more conservative look at my allocation/risk tolerance. Luckily I'm currently tracking to retire about two weeks after I die!
 

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I did hear recently that stocks tend to do worse when one party controls the presidency and both houses of congress. My hope is that both house are balanced enough for more gridlock.
 

fishwater99

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I think you have at least 9-12 months of a good market. Inflation and interest rates have to go up at some point in the near future.
 
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It’s not that difficult- fed is printing money like crazy and that money is aimed at the economy. The politicians buy votes with free checks, expanded unemployment payments not to work, and future trillion dollars bills. Inflation will rise, poor people will get poorer and rich people will get richer. Financial advisors parrot WS analysts while WS sends a message that is aimed at enriching their holdings.

Now that Biden is in control, states will start opening and coupled with free cash the economy will boom for at least 2 years until gas prices start to squeeze the consumer resulting in a short recession. Put your money in a clean energy etf or any of the ARK funds. Reevaluate your position in 2 years.
 

dog12

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^^^this - at least for the next 12 months.

The first question you need to answer is what are your plans for your 401k? I'm about your same age and will retire in three years. I don't need my 401k money to live on, so I'm staying aggressive. Too much potential gain to miss out on, if there is a turn down, I'll just ride it out. When I actually retire, I may take a slightly more conservative approach, but that remains to be seen.

Agree.

Factors to consider include: what is your distribution plan for your 401k? Do you plan to "cash out" at retirement and buy an annuity or roll it into a less volatile investment? Or, do you plan to simply take monthly/yearly withdrawals and draw it down slowly?

I'll be 54 later this month, and I plan to retire at 63.

Most certainly, I don't know when death will come for me, but my current plan is to retire and then draw down my 401k on a monthly/yearly basis as I need it (e.g., 4% per year).

Thus, I will leave my 401k in the more aggressive options.
 
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