OT: 2026 NFL Draft

Doctor Worm

Heisman
Feb 7, 2002
30,398
22,335
113
The Jets once again prove that why they are Jets. Draft a guy who isn't even a three down player.

There is no question that David Bailey will help them to not suck. However, not sucking is not the objective. Winning the Super Bowl is the objective. To do that, you have to take your swing for the guy who has the highest ceiling, not the highest floor. Jets had their shot and bypassed it.

If your objective is to maximize short term improvement and save your jobs, then yeah, Bailey makes sense.
 
Last edited:

T2Kplus20

Heisman
May 1, 2007
31,867
19,841
113
The Jets once again prove that why they are Jets. Draft a guy who isn't even a three down player.

There is no question that David Bailey will help them to not suck. However, not sucking is not the objective. Winning the Super Bowl is the objective. To do that, you have to take your swing for the guy who has the highest ceiling, not the highest floor. Mets had their shot and bypassed it.

If your objective is to maximize short term improvement and save your jobs, then yeah, Bailey makes sense.
+1
Reese was the better choice. Way more upside potential.
 

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
Last year the NYGs were supposed to have "the best player in the draft" (Abdul Carter) and not a lot showed in 2025. Arvell Reese is often described as "a young player with upside." A lot of scouts called Downs "the best football player I ever saw." A safety can be a 12 year player. Downs tackles (3 solos, a sack and a TFL vs RU -0... Reese had 1 solo) and he knows everything going on the field. Two year consensus AA - a playmaker and not just a good player. Figures Dallas got him. When I see teams draft "a young player with great upside" I know coaches overthought. They think they got a 1.5 carat diamond for price of a 1.0. Now he gets to play NYGs 2x a year.
 
Last edited:

RUGuitarMan1

All-Conference
Apr 5, 2021
2,481
3,868
73
Don’t think there was much of a difference between Bailey and Reese. Both were considered among the top 5 or 6 prospects in this draft. If people want to criticize Bailey’s run defense, you can criticize Reese’s lack of sacks for a projected edge player on a loaded defense. They’re both very athletic, explosive players. I like the Sadiq pick for the Jets. They can get a WR later at pick #33 or #44. If they can get either Cooper from IU or Boston from Wash, that would compliment Garret Wilson well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RU-05

Doctor Worm

Heisman
Feb 7, 2002
30,398
22,335
113
Don’t think there was much of a difference between Bailey and Reese. Both were considered among the top 5 or 6 prospects in this draft. If people want to criticize Bailey’s run defense, you can criticize Reese’s lack of sacks for a projected edge player on a loaded defense. They’re both very athletic, explosive players. I like the Sadiq pick for the Jets. They can get a WR later at pick #33 or #44. If they can get either Cooper from IU or Boston from Wash, that would compliment Garret Wilson well.
Jets trade up three spots to 30 to get Cooper! Well done! All it cost was their pick at 179.
 

RU-05

Redshirt
Mar 2, 2026
68
35
18
Last year the NYGs were supposed to have "the best player in the draft" (Abdul Carter) and not a lot showed in 2025. Arvell Reese is often described as "a young player with upside." A lot of scouts called Downs "the best football player I ever saw." A safety can be a 12 year player. Downs tackles (3 solos, a sack and a TFL vs RU)) and he knows everything going on the field. Two year consensus AA - a playmaker and not just a good player. Figures Dallas got him. When I see teams draft "a young player with great upside" I know coaches overthought. They think they got a 1.5 carat diamond for price of a 1.0. Now he gets to play NYGs 2x a year.
Carter had a solid rookie season

Most everybody had Reese ahead of Downs. Positional value plays into that they play the positions they play.
 

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
Carter had a solid rookie season

Most everybody had Reese ahead of Downs. Positional value plays into that they play the positions they play.

The NFL's collective draft record shows most teams these days are bad at it.

For a #3 pick called "the next Micha Parsons" - he was a solid disappointment. LT finally called him out.

"Wake up," Taylor said. "This is what you worked for, this is where you want to be, so now you're there...Let's wake up. Don't let your teammates down over bulls--t!" Taylor added. "If you can't tell your coach what's going on and why you can't be at practice, then it's bulls--t."

"Carter has made headlines for all the wrong reasons this year, with the word bust now beginning to swirl around his name."

 

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
Recall OSU vs RU 2025. Downs = 3 solos, 1 sack and 1 TFL. Reese = 1 tackle

Mel Kiper Mock

If things fall this way, the Giants will have a tough call to make on three Ohio State prospects. I could see Carnell Tate as the team's No. 2 receiver opposite Malik Nabers. I could certainly see Sonny Styles quarterbacking the defense from the middle linebacker spot. But I keep coming back to what Downs could do from the back end of this secondary. Next to Jevon Holland, his incredible instincts would pop in this defense. Downs would be the first safety taken in the top five since Eric Berry went to the Chiefs in 2010, and he'd be worth it.

Nabers wanted Downs because he's smart. As they talk there are clips of Reese making tackles that are awful

Malik Naber's reaction to Giants selecting Arvell Reese #5​

 
Last edited:

Rutgers Chris

All-American
Nov 29, 2005
5,098
5,969
97
The Jets once again prove that why they are Jets. Draft a guy who isn't even a three down player.

There is no question that David Bailey will help them to not suck. However, not sucking is not the objective. Winning the Super Bowl is the objective. To do that, you have to take your swing for the guy who has the highest ceiling, not the highest floor. Jets had their shot and bypassed it.

If your objective is to maximize short term improvement and save your jobs, then yeah, Bailey makes sense.
Not sure I agree, but either way they absolutely killed it with their second two picks. They’re the biggest winner of the first round imo
 

AreYouNUTS

Heisman
Aug 1, 2001
123,362
57,408
113
Last year the NYGs were supposed to have "the best player in the draft" (Abdul Carter) and not a lot showed in 2025. Arvell Reese is often described as "a young player with upside." A lot of scouts called Downs "the best football player I ever saw." A safety can be a 12 year player. Downs tackles (3 solos, a sack and a TFL vs RU -0... Reese had 1 solo) and he knows everything going on the field. Two year consensus AA - a playmaker and not just a good player. Figures Dallas got him. When I see teams draft "a young player with great upside" I know coaches overthought. They think they got a 1.5 carat diamond for price of a 1.0. Now he gets to play NYGs 2x a year.
1) VERY happy with our 1st night draft

2) Carter had a pretty good season, actually, just struggled in the sack department
 

koleszar

Heisman
Jan 1, 2010
37,379
58,724
113
Downs was there at #10. A missed opportunity.
I thought they should have went Downs as well. Mauigoa at #10 when you're going to move him to guard? Because you just resigned your RT Eluemunor to a 3 yr. deal and he had a pretty good season last year, makes no sense to me.

The 31st defense needs all the help it can get, you could have gotten a really good guard in the 2nd rd. or even a decent guard in the 4th. It's not like they're flying off the board. Now, I think they have no choice but to go top interior DL with Lawrence gone in the 2nd.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bueller

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
I thought they should have went Downs as well. Mauigoa at #10 when you're going to move him to guard? Because you just resigned your RT Eluemunor to a 3 yr. deal and he had a pretty good season last year, makes no sense to me.

The 31st defense needs all the help it can get, you could have gotten a really good guard in the 2nd rd. or even a decent guard in the 4th. It's not like they're flying off the board. Now, I think they have no choice but to go top interior DL with Lawrence gone in the 2nd.

Downs' father played 7 years in NFL and his uncle played 11. His brother is on the Colts. This dude has been reading defenses better than most college DCs. The McCourty's will tell you it was Ronnie Girault who made RU's best secondaries work because he knew what teams were going to do and told other guys how to play it. Having a guy with ability as well as smarts is rare (Ed Reed was a safety like that). Downs probably has one foot in the HOF while Reese doesn't even know how to tackle (probably why NYG geniuses say he has "upside" - they mean after he learns tackling)


677384522_923788303752952_864713189381471551_n.jpg



Watch these Reese highlights and count the high tackles on ball carriers shoulders


 
  • Like
Reactions: koleszar

hiwater

All-Conference
Aug 1, 2001
9,572
3,126
113
Don’t think there was much of a difference between Bailey and Reese. Both were considered among the top 5 or 6 prospects in this draft. If people want to criticize Bailey’s run defense, you can criticize Reese’s lack of sacks for a projected edge player on a loaded defense. They’re both very athletic, explosive players. I like the Sadiq pick for the Jets. They can get a WR later at pick #33 or #44. If they can get either Cooper from IU or Boston from Wash, that would compliment Garret Wilson well.
Reese had roughly 1 third of the pass rushes as Baily. Those 6.5 sacks with 97 pass ruzhes stand up very well against Bailey's 300 plus pass rushes with 14 sacks. He played inside linebackers 38% of the time. He even player slot corner 6% of his snaps. He is just a great athlete. He also rated as one of the best at getting off blocks. Better than Baily.

This was a great pick. It would be better if the Giants went to a 3 four defense to take advantage of those LBs.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RU05

hiwater

All-Conference
Aug 1, 2001
9,572
3,126
113
Downs' father played 7 years in NFL and his uncle played 11. His brother is on the Colts. This dude has been reading defenses better than most college DCs. The McCourty's will tell you it was Ronnie Girault who made RU's best secondaries work because he knew what teams were going to do and told other guys how to play it. Having a guy with ability as well as smarts is rare (Ed Reed was a safety like that). Downs probably has one foot in the HOF while Reese doesn't even know how to tackle (probably why NYG geniuses say he has "upside" - they mean after he learns tackling)


View attachment 1270365



Watch these Reese highlights and count the high tackles on ball carriers shoulders



Saying Reese doesn't know how to tackle is way off since he is rated the second best tackling LB in the draft at 89. Number 1 was his teamate Styles at 91. Reese is rated the highest for getting off blocks also.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RU05

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
Saying Reese doesn't know how to tackle is way offense since he is rated the second best tackling LB in the draft at 89. Number 1 was his teamate Styles at 91. Reese is rated the highest for getting off blocks also.

There are some universal rules in football that apply to all positions and they don't get "ranked" for a draft . First and foremost is that you do not play with your head down. The neck has little compression absorption from a top down hit. When you tackle or block you keep your head up. Reese doesn't put his head down from what I've seen so that's good.

The next rule is "low man wins" - you play as low as you can and keep your knees bent. That's why players practice breakdowns exercises. If a blocker or runner is coming at you get low to maintain leverage. If you are a runner you also want to keep low so you dont become a vulnerable target . Keeping low is about safety as well as maintaining leverage. RG3 lost his legs and career because he run upright and always as a target. If a guy got him low around the ankles, and others defenders were arriving, RG3 would be standing up like a telephone pole. I saw in his first games he would not last and he got wrecked running the ball in a playoff game.

Reese always plays high and tackles around the shoulders. Tall players can struggle with that ands its a reason I didn't want Sonny Styles ( ).

Styles and Reese will take players on high and even if they make a tackle they give up extra yards. I also dont see much strength and impact - he doesn't really pop anyone and strip balls. His lack of strength and power is highlighted as "a weakness" on NFL draft profile. He does have great quickness and mirroring but that's more of a Will LB thing than a Mike. They want to put "versatile" Reese in the middle but he's not really well suited for that currently. Must have strength and power in the middle. I played outside and hated the middle.

I'm not saying the guy is a ban player. He has some great skills. To me he's more of a great college player than NFL. There is a big difference between tackling Monangai and Derrick Henry or blocking Aaron Lewis or Myles Garrett. If Reese tries those shoulder pad tackles vs Henry he will look like the flattened roadrunner. Vernon Gholston was supposed to be crafted by the football gods and he was a but. I don't think Reesse will be a bust but most Hall of Fame players came 1-5 in draft and he's not a potential HOF player like Downs. Micah parsons was 12th and slipped passed people but became NFL rookies of year and 3X All Pro.

Every year I check through to see how drat picks do and doing that you learn just how bad most teams are at drafting. I'll never forget watching Ray Rice slide to 2nd round while a upright sprinter like Darren McFadden went 4th. McFadden needed great OL with big holes to run through. Rice got picked by Baltimore because Ozzie Newsome saw Rice came out of other side of every pile he ran into. Great college players dont automatically make great NFLers and Is aw Downs as a lock for NFL while Reese an admitted project "with great upside" (I never like to hear that about picks)

Weaknesses​

  • Upper-body strength will need more attention.
 
Last edited:

hiwater

All-Conference
Aug 1, 2001
9,572
3,126
113
There are some universal rules in football that apply to all positions and they don't get "ranked" for a draft . First and foremost is that you do not play with your head down. The neck has little compression absorption from a top down hit. When you tackle or block you keep your head up. Reese doesn't put his head down from what I've seen so that's good.

The next rule is "low man wins" - you play as low as you can and keep your knees bent. That's why players practice breakdowns exercises. If a blocker or runner is coming at you get low to maintain leverage. If you are a runner you also want to keep low so you dont become a vulnerable target . Keeping low is about safety as well as maintaining leverage. RG3 lost his legs and career because he run upright and always as a target. If a guy got him low around the ankles, and others defenders were arriving, RG3 would be standing up like a telephone pole. I saw in his first games he would not last and he got wrecked running the ball in a playoff game.

Reese always plays high and tackles around the shoulders. Tall players can struggle with that ands its a reason I didn't want Sonny Styles ( ).

Styles and Reese will take players on high and even if they make a tackle they give up extra yards. I also dont see much strength and impact - he doesn't really pop anyone and strip balls. His lack of strength and power is highlighted as "a weakness" on NFL draft profile. He does have great quickness and mirroring but that's more of a Will LB thing than a Mike. They want to put "versatile" Reese in the middle but he's not really well suited for that currently. Must have strength and power in the middle. I played outside and hated the middle.

I'm not saying the guy is a ban player. He has some great skills. To me he's more of a great college player than NFL. There is a big difference between tackling Monangai and Derrick Henry or blocking Aaron Lewis or Myles Garrett. If Reese tries those shoulder pad tackles vs Henry he will look like the flattened roadrunner. Vernon Gholston was supposed to be crafted by the football gods and he was a but. I don't think Reesse will be a bust but most Hall of Fame players came 1-5 in draft and he's not a potential HOF player like Downs. Micah parsons was 12th and slipped passed people but became NFL rookies of year and 3X All Pro.

Every year I check through to see how drat picks do and doing that you learn just how bad most teams are at drafting. I'll never forget watching Ray Rice slide to 2nd round while a upright sprinter like Darren McFadden went 4th. McFadden needed great OL with big holes to run through. Rice got picked by Baltimore because Ozzie Newsome saw Rice came out of other side of every pile he ran into. Great college players dont automatically make great NFLers and Is aw Downs as a lock for NFL while Reese an admitted project "with great upside" (I never like to hear that about picks)

Weaknesses​

  • Upper-body strength will need more attention.

What does that clip show to support that Reese can't tackle? Do you really think that the tackling ratings do not take into account yards after impact?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kbe4

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
What does that clip show to support that Reese can't tackle? Do you really think that the tackling ratings do not take into account yards after impact?

The quick clip is from Styles and it shows the problem with high tackles. Reese has similar plays in long videos where (over and over) he gives up an extra yard trying to wrestle runners down by the shoulder pads. I didn't want Styles or Reese because of their janky techniques. Tall LBs struggle to get lower in middle because blockers/runners are all conditioned to shoot out low. Plays on the edge can be more rangy.

A lot of stats and indexes are for fantasy footballers and gamblers. If you played with decent coaching past HS you can tell bad form with a look. I'm 100% sure NYGs know about the problem and that's why Reese is considered raw and somewhat of a project. That's ok but not to miss on Downs for a project.
 

Bueller

Junior
Nov 28, 2025
281
269
63
Not NFL tackles - gives up 2 yards after contact on one with high tackle and no pop. Makes a silly tackle in 2nd - this is closer to HS than NFL Maybe once you let it go but this sort of thing is constant with him.

ezgif-8196f8c79d39f13f.gif342342343.gif
 
Last edited: