OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

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A couple of things...in regard to JF, he just looks a bit off right now and we have seen him have stretches like this before. What concerns me is that we are seeing some of the Met's VERY good pitchers having such prolonged stretches at the same time. Noah and Jacob going through the past two weeks the way they have along with someone like JF and even an inning like Wheeler had yesterday- gives me concern about the coaching.

As for Vargas...mixed bag. He is actually holding his own as a 5th starter at this point. BUT...a 5th starter does need to eat some innings. And he is being paid like a 2nd/3rd starter.
Could this stretch of poor pitching be tied to Calloway's style of what and how the staff should approach pitching? For the most part, the staff has gotten worse under Calloway.
 

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A couple of things...in regard to JF, he just looks a bit off right now and we have seen him have stretches like this before. What concerns me is that we are seeing some of the Met's VERY good pitchers having such prolonged stretches at the same time. Noah and Jacob going through the past two weeks the way they have along with someone like JF and even an inning like Wheeler had yesterday- gives me concern about the coaching.

As for Vargas...mixed bag. He is actually holding his own as a 5th starter at this point. BUT...a 5th starter does need to eat some innings. And he is being paid like a 2nd/3rd starter.

Vargas. His numbers are decent because we are limiting him to opposing lineups going only 2 times through. It kills our bullpen every 5th day though.
 
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Let's see.
Innings 1-4 Vargas
Inning 5 Gsellman
Innings 6-7 Lugo
Inning 8 Familia
Inning 9 Diaz

Looks like about 10 runs for the Reds today.
 

RUforJERSEY

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Vargas catches a lot of hell here but truthfully outside of the outing where he didn't get out of the 1st inning he's been pitching as well as deGrom or Syndegaard. Just not as quite as deep into games. 4 or 5 innings as opposed to 6.
 

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Vargas catches a lot of hell here but truthfully outside of the outing where he didn't get out of the 1st inning he's been pitching as well as deGrom or Syndegaard. Just not as quite as deep into games. 4 or 5 innings as opposed to 6.
Yes but he was signed to be an innings eater. He has not pitched terribly but he needs to at least go six each start.
 
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Rhuarc

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2014-2016 Familia was excellent. Ever since, much more average. I can understand signing him and hoping for the best but one shouldn't be shocked if he's average once again.
 

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2014-2016 Familia was excellent. Ever since, much more average. I can understand signing him and hoping for the best but one shouldn't be shocked if he's average once again.
Signing him for one year and hoping for the best is fine. Signing him for 3 years/$30 million wasn't a smart move. Especially as most fans hated him at the end of his last time in NYC.
 

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Watching Vargas, I’m really amazed he can actually get major leagues out. Seriously
 

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Watching Vargas, I’m really amazed he can actually get major leagues out. Seriously
He is good with placement and pitch selection. A little like Bartolo Colon- no overpowering fastball.

Bart is a free agent. . . .
 
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The answer to your second question is that prior to Saturday, Diaz had last pitched on the prior Monday. He had four days off, and needed the work to stay sharp. That's the dilemma with closers. Sometimes you have to use them just to give them the work - and then they get more work than they can handle.

Re your first question, the Mets are going to give Familia a long leash. They just are. They have too much invested in him not to. Let's see how he's doing a month from now. He's going to get at
The answer to your second question is that prior to Saturday, Diaz had last pitched on the prior Monday. He had four days off, and needed the work to stay sharp. That's the dilemma with closers. Sometimes you have to use them just to give them the work - and then they get more work than they can handle.

Re your first question, the Mets are going to give Familia a long leash. They just are. They have too much invested in him not to. Let's see how he's doing a month from now. He's going to get at least that.
i understand but that’s why you don’t waste Diaz in a rout the other day otherwise he would have been available today except to torture everyone with familia again. Felt bad for familia having to get 2 innings but he should have been taken out prior. Calloway should be fired. He’s awful
 
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The time to turn off baseball has come earlier this year. Oh well. Time to find something else to do this summer.
 

rurahrah000

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The one thing Callaway should be good at (ie pitching staff) has regressed tremendously in his tenure. The star pitchers are sucking it up (Thor, deGrom). Relievers are still garbage. What is the reason to keep this guy.
 

rurahrah000

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This type of luck does not work with good teams. Unless there is a managerial and pitching coach change, we are in for yet another long season and watching peak years of star pitchers wasted.
 

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This type of luck does not work with good teams. Unless there is a managerial and pitching coach change, we are in for yet another long season and watching peak years of star pitchers wasted.
LUCK??? I saw clutch hitting. I saw clutch pitching, albeit later than we would like. What about this win do you consider lucky?
 

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LUCK??? I saw clutch hitting. I saw clutch pitching, albeit later than we would like. What about this win do you consider lucky?

Clutch pitching??? Did you watch the 9th inning? Blowing a 2 run lead in the 9th inning is not clutch pitching. We play the Dodgers, brewers, etc a game like this and no chance we win that game.
 
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RUforJERSEY

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Watching Vargas, I’m really amazed he can actually get major leagues out. Seriously
Well it's been proven many times that pitching isn't all about throwing the ball 97 miles per hour. If it were Noah Syndegaard wouldn't be looking like a batting practice pitcher.
 

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What didn't you like? And PLEASE don't tell me he should have put Gagnon in sooner.
Let's start with pulling Vargas after the home run. Even Keef said that Vargas was pitching well, why take him out in that spot for Gsellman? What did that do? It strained an already strained bullpen. Pushed Familia to pitch an extra couple of outs more than he is used to and almost cost the Mets the game.
 
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