That was the title game. LSU cant touch either of these teams
OSU Clemson Game Thread
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That was the title game. LSU cant touch either of these teams
lol - I noticed that and didn't like it. It was like black cat thing
This really was an incredible game. The intensity was like no other game I've seen this season. Glad my prediction of a landslide Clemson victory didn't come true and that we had a real game here.
And yeah....urban Meyer on the sidelines? That was Wierd. Is Wierd.
Made a wrong turn but also another OSU slip. They need to check their footwear because they were slippin and sliddin all night long
Wonder if playing a strong safety would have been more effective against the Lawrence runs. He killed OSU with his feet tonight.
Welcome to the Banks Brendon White.
Welcome to the Banks Brendon White.
You would never know OSU was supposed to have a Heisman quality DE. I saw Lawrence run right passed Young (who was upfield having
brought no pressure)
Cardale Jones said OSU was out-coached tonight and clearly that was a factor
Guys here doing a lot of crying over a Clemson win. Juvenile blaming the refs, some sort of conspiracy, Clemson doesn’t play anyone, etc... sounding like a bunch of little girls. Stop
I didn't fully buy the Clemson doesn't play anyone...it's true but you could have said the same thing last year and they mopped the floor with ND/Alabama....so they have a history and you can't ignore that.....while they had a lot off losses on defense, Venables is still a very good defensive coach and Lawrence is still a very good qb.
The officiating....I agreed with the targeting call. It doesn't matter what the tackled player is doing ....lowering his head or his body happening to take his head to a lower level...the tackler can't lower his head and lead with the crown..he's got to keep his head up regardless of whatever position the head of the guy he's tackling is in and I've seen targeting called in similar situations like that often. It would be the exception if it wasn't called. Have to keep your head up no matter what.
The non fumble I thought was bad. The WR had control of the ball and took a bunch of steps. Just because he had his arms outstretched and didn't pull the ball in shouldn't matter....that was more than enough of a football move. At the very least that was close enough to say play of the field stands rather than reversal. I thought was just terrible. To me that was no question a reception and fumble and at the very least borderline and then replay shouldn't reverse the call on the field.
Lawrence has good mobility I think people underestimate. When we were talking qbs and mobility I said you don't need to have the home run mobility to have a productive qb and offense and most qbs have that much mobility...look for the better passer.
It's hard to find both in the same player especially for a school like us. I said Hurts is also built like a Mack truck and can take the hits but I also mentioned Lawrence as another with strong mobility. I think on first blush people realize that about Hurts I don't think they realize that about Lawrence as much and he's pretty good in the mobility department too.
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Just watched the replay. No dog in the fight but OSU got hosed. The targeting was legit but there is no way in hell that TD scoop and score should have been overturned. No way in hell that was indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field. It’s calls like this one and the no PI against LSU that gives legs to the conspiracy theorists about fixed games.
If Clemson wins the natty over LSU (unlikely) their championship will have been in spite of them not being the better team tonight. Kind of like UV winning last year in basketball in spite of the double dribble missed call against Auburn.
If Clemson wins the natty over LSU (unlikely) their championship will have been in spite of them not being the better team tonight. Kind of like UV winning last year in basketball in spite of the double dribble missed call against Auburn.
It's not really a football move, according to the way the rule is written. A football move would be turning upfield to run, not moving the ball in his hands. That's why the referee on the broadcast disagreed with the announcers when they said it was a fumble.
The real problem is with the way the rule is written. They should just call it by posession and 1 foot, and do away with the football move aspect.
On this play, the referee probably should have just blown the whistle and ruled forward progress stopped before the fumble. That would have stopped the controversy to begin with.
Disagree. See rules below. He catches it, puts it high by his shoulder ("extend it forward")), then moves the ball low to tuck it ("tuck the ball"), and then it is hit away by the defender, simultaneously with the receiver's fourth step. All the time he is moving forward.
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
- secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
- touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
- after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do.
Just shows you why the ref said he did not control the ball. That's the only way to justify the call. Because otherwise the first two occurred followed by the underlined part of the third. Obviously he knew the rule and was looking to justify his mistake.
Ultimately OSU still had chances at the end but the point I'm trying to make is that this was a rather egregious incident where a call was overturned on evidence which could in no way be called indisputable. I would have rather seen a clean game with the best team coming out on top regardless of who that was.
If a defender doesn’t commit to hitting the waist, keeping their head up and leading with the shoulder, that defender is risking a targeting call every time. Really simple.
Defenders need to take that crap out of the game. Period.
If a team gets shook by something like that, they are weak and don’t deserve to win.
Yawn. OSU has the lead with 2 minutes to go and their defense could've won the game with a stop. They didn't. They had the ball with a chance to score and win the game. They didn't. Stop whining about officials - that's what losers do.
So in your opinion how many steps is considered a football move? He clearly has possession of the ball that's indisputable as it never moves. Another indisputable fact is while in possession he takes 4 steps(slow motioned this).
So is it 5 steps or 6 steps because it's clearly not 4 in your mind. We're now talking the receiver with clear possesion in hand then having to go 4 to 5 yds. for it to be ruled a catch.
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Baloney on "that crap."
"That crap" was what you saw in Oklahoma game. That kid was dirty and deserved ejection. Ohio player was going in low with his helmet down when lurch dipped lower. The helmet hit before arms did thing is nonsense since tacklers arms were around player when helmet hit. The guy wasn't making a dirty play and getting ejected was huge. Replacement not only got PI foul right away (on way to Clemson TD) but he was getting blocked all night on those second level runs and QB gallops up the middle
The call wasn't even made on the field. The booth had to interfere. Taken with the fumble reversal the refs look bad. OSU didn't help itself with red zone muffs but the targeting turned the whole game around
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Both were targeting, one worse than the other, I agree. But BOTH are targeting. And if that crap is not taken out of the game, we will have no game.
I believe the targeting rules and the application of the rules have really helped the game, and improvement needs to continue. Other human being’s ability to have a functional brain and a normal life are at stake here.
Yes dirty plays needed to go. But football is not a contact sport but a "collision sport" as they say. Football will also go away if incidental contacts and dirty plays get treated the same. If the OSU player got 15 yards instead of ejection that would be fine. I actually though Chase Young was guilty of unnecessary roughness on the same contested play
Robbed? OSU couldn’t stop Clemson on their last drive (90 yards) and then turned it over on their final drive. OSU has nobody to blame but themselves.
I will err on the side of the health of the football player. All targeting needs to stop. Both plays were targeting.
Well, first let's be clear. I'm talking about the rule as it is, not as I would have it. In theory, I would say possession and one foot down constitutes a catch, period.
Regarding the rule as it is, I would say a "football move" would constitute something along the lines of turning upfield and attempting to advance.
My reasoning for that is, on the play, Ross was hit immediately and driven backwards. He never turned upfield. I have seen many similar plays where the officials simply blow the play dead, ruling the runner's forward progress was stopped (which is what I think really should have happened here).
But again, to answer your question, I don't think "steps" should be the determining factor, if I was writing the rule. Along those lines, I would consider the play were Ohio state's back dropped the pass in the end zone to be a touchdown. However, by the rule as constituted, it isn't.
Now I'm thoroughly confused on what you think is a catch. Dobbins didn't even maintain the catch for one step before the ball hit the ground jarring it loose. No way in hell was that a catch and if replay had upheld the call on the field I'd be on here bitching that wasn't a catch.
Did you watch the game? The fact that you’re trying to go the other way with this is insane.
OSU is and was the better team, without a doubt. Clemson could not handle their physicality, and it was glaringly obvious.
Trevor Lawrence is an absolute stud, any other QB and they lose.
Dobbins injury, BS targeting call, and the reversed fumble are the 3 things that had a direct impact on the game. The refs deciding 2/3 of those plays in replay is horrendous and should really be reviewed by the NCAA.